Revive our Erotic Wrestling league! ( 1-on-1 or multi )

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Mia Saisyu

Once upon a time here, there was an EWF, erotic wrestling, using RINGS , a system developed by Xilos. Unfortunately, the game faded into nothingness. I want nothing more than for someone to revive this idea. I still have the system docs saved, so, for inspiration..^^;

http://angelic.jp/~katagiya/gallery/index.htm
http://wangels.hp.infoseek.co.jp/

I give these websites as gift offerings. Anyone up for GM-ing it?

kongming

Ooh, I approve! If you can get the system to me, I'll have a look over it and gladly revive it.

I think, running it as an open game for anyone to join, but allowing multiple characters (so that if it does end up just being one on one, there's no incident of the same two people just constantly coming up against each other), might be best.
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Xerial

Dang, I came just a wee bit too late to volunteer my GM/Ref services, didn't I? I enjoyed the EWF quite a bit, and found the system to be quite a robust one, definitly worth revival. I'm on board, in whatever capacity.

Lirliel

*Smirks* Up for it all the same... never got your tail before Mia ;)
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"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

kongming

Xerial, you're welcome to run it if you want, I'll happily play. I'm not actually fussed either way. But a group of us, awesome!
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Brittlby

I'd be interested. Where can we find a copy of the system?
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Lirliel

"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Rayve13

You know I'd be interested. I only dropped because I was dropping everything at that time. I'd be happy with the same character and/or someone new.

kongming

Nice, that's six of us interested, with two willing to GM. So, Xerial, do you want to run this one?
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Xerial

I think co-GMing could work... *nod* I've got ideas aplenty, but I can be iffy on posting time sometimes... so another hand in the running of things would be good...

kongming

Indeed, co-GMing sounds like a good idea. I also have ideas, and can post often enough (despite being lazy on occasion), so with two people putting ideas in and sharing the workload, it should run very smoothly.
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Mia Saisyu

So all that's left is for someone to start a new section and take off from there? ^^;

Xerial

Match types and a possible mechanic for "fame" are flooding through my head, they are... as for creation, I'm thinking small games doesn't do it justice, since a lot can be going on at one time... so I guess a request needs to be put in for a metathread, eh?

kongming

That'll be a good idea. I mean, we'll need space for character sheets, and for call-outs, and reposting the rules wouldn't be a bad idea, as well as perhaps a thread explaining match types, describing a few moves, and some of the various terms (if we're going to go by the traditional wrestling lingo - "selling" people's moves "carrying" someone through the match, jobbing, juicing...), as well as threads for the matches themselves...

Yeah. I think we'll need to do it that way. Should be fun.
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Xerial

I think we're definitly looking at a good re-start here... *nod* Multiple characters are still a go from my perspective, as it allows more roster flexibility, though we might want to think about some kind of restriction for what kind of matches a person can have more than one of their own character in (ex. 1 person playing a Tag Team is ok, but on person playing two participants in a four way dance is bad)...

I'm still mulling ideas for fame and championships and match types over in my head... gotta solidify some things in my head there still...

Bondage and the Like: Normal seems fitting for a catagory... I think that's where it was, eh?

kongming

Yeah, I doubt we're going to be seeing aliens and monsters in the arena (other than people with alien/monster-themed costumes, of course).
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Lirliel

As for the genders will they still be what they were, I know some males don't particularly like the idea of a Futanari/Hermaphrodite?

Also will new characters be needed to be made and will the creation process somewhat alter. We kinda figured out how to make uber characters *smirks*
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

I'm going to go over the rules again, and contemplate the mechanics of things... in part that's what my thoughts of "fame" will address... try to think of it as that inexplicable crowd factor... like when the crowd was supposed to hate the Rock, but got right behind him... it's that push that is beyond mere personal charisma and can make even a mediorce person mighty, unless they abuse it... I'm going to conspire with my co-GM about things, see if characters might need to be tweaked, but I didn't really see an issue with the uber-characters, because each of them ended up with some aspect neglected, which makes for a weakness...

As for the Hermaphrodite issue, I'm inclined to leave it to a polling of the players, rather than make a hard and fast rule. I'm possessed of mixed feelings, myself. The thought of the Nurse ravaging Blue Blood was intriguing to me... but her against the White Dragon would have been right into the land of not sexy...

Also, I'm thinking of things to push the out of the ring aspect a bit more, which will play into the "fame" thing as well...

kongming

We might want to alter the character creation process. At a quick glance, I figured out how to make a pretty uber character.

I found that the WWE Know Your Role system works pretty well, except for a few problems:
1. You have to pay money for it
2. The rules are sort of generic, sort of specific, but caught in the middle there so after a few characters everything starts to feel kind of the same. I think it's because they get specific abilities and feats, but there aren't really that many of them.

So perhaps just having a tinker with the rules might be in order, using Xerial's idea of fame to help push things one way or another, maybe even having "the tables suddenly turn" rock up on occasion when a match goes too one-sided for too long. It's a case of balancing "The players all need to have fun, and have their turn being 'in control'" (plus "Winners get more photos, leaving an even bigger power gap") against "The rules are there for a reason, play it straight down the line." Then bring "How does a wrestling match normally go?" into the equation...

As for sex of participants, I think that one's up to the players - keeping in mind that matches need to be refereed, and if a GM doesn't find the pairing to be their thing, they might tend to be... lazy about it. I'm not sexually interested in guys, so would spend more attention on matches that have females present (even if it's a M/F fight, there's still the minimum number of girls present). Futanari isn't such an issue because they look mostly like girls, they just happen to have a penis, which I don't have to imagine being there. Herm depends on what sex they mostly look like.
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Xerial

I think the rules as they stand, with the addition of a few different mechanics to represent a lasting crowd push, and the rare "oops" factor should work well... after all, wrestlers are supposed to be larger than life, which the uber-wrestlers are.

I was thinking from the perspective of a wrestler myself, for refereeing I'll suck it up and call any kind of match out there...  ;D

Lirliel

I'd be willing to just Ref the Futa matches if neither of you are truly up for it. I like it so no big problems here :)
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

There be much plotting going one...  ;D

Liriel, I'm a little foggy on this, but as a Siren are you able to make boards?

Mia Saisyu

I don't see the problems with futa characters in all honesty..people have on/offs lists, people will take that into consideration before challenging right? With that in mind, characters should be allowed whatever, non?

Lirliel

Quote from: Xerial on May 03, 2007, 12:37:34 AM
There be much plotting going one...  ;D

Liriel, I'm a little foggy on this, but as a Siren are you able to make boards?

There is a price... *grins* I propose you look at my sig ;)
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

Seems the trend is allow any gender, and allow people to turn down challenges as they see fit, which is good by me. Just reviewing a few things, and cooking up a uni-thread to tie things together... I don't forsee any changes to the core system, as it is quite robust and well designed, but look for a few additions...

Quote from: Lirliel on May 03, 2007, 12:41:06 AM
There is a price... *grins* I propose you look at my sig ;)

Mmm... cookies... I can bring cookies... *nodnod*

kongming

I have no problems with letting any character in, and just letting players work out who they'd rather have matches with/against.
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Rayve13

I'll post in more detail when I get home from work and have some ideas fleshed out, but as a wrestling fanboy and e-fed wrestler, things seem to be going on the right track  ;D

As for matches and gender preferences, it really shouldn't pose to much of a problem. While I'd argue that most wrestlers rarely avoid challenges unless there cowardly heels, we all have to remember that matches can win by pin or submission rather than just sexual conditions. So if it's not in someone's on/offs to be sexual with an opponent of a particular gender, the match can mainly focus on the unwanted gender trying to tease the other, only to end in a pin/submission without real sexual contact.

But that's only my two cents, and I like just about everything.


kongming

Well, I figure that if a person knows someone isn't interested in the sex of their character, they simply won't challenge them in the first place.
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Zaer Darkwail

I am still intrested and likely rebirth 'Golden Lion' wrestler :). But I agree the rules need to be bit tweaked because whit certain builds matches comed one sided often......

Lilac

The old game had ~650 posts to it so far.  If you didn't notice I reduced the 'get your own forum' deal to 1,000 posts >_>

Rayve13

Ah well, if we can't have a forum, I'm sure we can make do.

As far as the photos, maybe we should use a roll system, where both the winner and loser will roll and get, say d6 times 10 photos, with the winner getting a bonus to the roll? That would make a win nice, but not so overwhelming. If that was combined ith a reduction in the number of photos awarded in match, that should help keep the power balance from getting too outrageous.

Lilac

Well my point was if your merged with it I don't imagine it'd take long.

Rayve13

Derp! Forgive my ignorance, goddess of forums  :'(

Xerial

Working on a few tweaks, running a few tests... the core of the system's going to stay the same, insofar as building a character goes. Cartoonishly overfocused characters, after all, are the stuff of wrestling legend... but there are new balancing factors being worked out...

And it should be noted I'm fixing for long haul mode on this one, so I'm locked for as long as there is even one person still wanting to play...

kongming

Hmm, I see no problem with merging with the old one. Perhaps it could start with a new corporate takeover.
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Zaer Darkwail

Sounds good idea kongming :). It would explain long hiatus and why some characthers may be missing and appearance of new ones. Also why old chars are resetted to newly made char level (lack of pratice will rust your skills after all).

Xerial

Just to let you all know I am currently test-running several 'matches' in order to see the effects of the new "sway" rules, and to test for flow. Keep those minds limber, because it'll be go time soon...

Also, one of the sway factors is going to encourage a story element to things, and backstage will become a factor as both kongming and myself are going to be making 'corporate' entities to add a little more of a roleplay element to the 'roll'play...  ;D  Look forward to interview times, vingettes, deals with the boss, crazy special match types, full cards and PPV events and a lot more...


Mia Saisyu

If you want a plot idea, a mass "kidnapping" is always plausible. Some people are taken for their talent, etc, in what they do, to this little  island of events and have to work their way out to win? Others hear of the organization, and go of free will, but find they *really* need to get out?

Xerial

Just so no one thinks this is dead in the water, I'm testing in the last, most nebulous element of the system tweaks... look for things to form up as soon as my co-GM's back...

Lirliel

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She might be away for a spell... I'd be willing to cover what she can't in turn of time issues.
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

Sounds good to me...  ;D I'm just working out the bugs in the "Hype" system, otherwise we're just about ready to get into the swing of things...

Lirliel

Sure.. did you have everything figured out with Kon, or?
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

We were on the same wavelength, but hadn't made any solid plans yet...

Lirliel

Maybe we can work something out.. or did you want to wait for Kon's approval?
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"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

kongming

I don't mind if Lirliel takes over for me in the meantime - when I return, my corporate/management character could even take the stage and unveil a contract, leading to another corporate battle story arc.
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Xerial

Sounds excellent to me... some lead in play, then a fresh infusion of story...  ;D

Lirliel

Precisely, two different Wrestling federations, or at least.. different types of fights?
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

ZK

Not to hijack it. Perhaps set up a "Vs" between the two federations too, have them compete for the whole league championship.
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kongming

Heh, then basically do the same that the WWE did towards the end of the "WCW/ECW Invasion" story?

(Note: I'm a little rusty on what happened after that, as I lost interest around then. I still play the PS2 games and enjoy wrestling, however.)
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ZK

Hehe, but have some interesting matches. Like a first cum match, like a first blood, but more you cum instead of bleed. ^.^
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Xerial

I'm definitly down with having a pre-existing Federation "invaded" by another... something akin to the WW/WCW takover, or the more recent return of ECW... it gives a chance to infuse some new blood into things, but a reason for old characters to be around still...

Oh we've got some interesting matches planned indeed...  ;D

But thread hijacking means joining...  ;)

Lirliel

"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

I'm cursing myself right now, because the memory stick I've got my rule tweaks and test-matches on is somewhere where I'm not sure where it is...

New tweaks seems to work ok without the one untested element, though... hype might be a work in progress...

Lirliel

*Sighs* Where did  you last see it? *groans... Men*
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

It's either sitting on my desk in class (as it's got my NES and SNES emulators on it, which keep me sane), or it's in my uniform pants pocket hanging in my closet... I seem to be too lazy to check...  :P

Lirliel

*Cracks whip* GIT! Go check your pants... alright.. *groans* maybe this will get you moving. If you get it, I'll flash you okay? :P
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

And off I run... and if it's not in my pants I'm half tempted now to go break into the school!  ;D

Lirliel

"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

And wadda you know, it was hiding in my pants...  8) Flashing time!

I'm sorting through the existing threads at the moment, since an integration's the current plan... I'm going to be creating a unification thread to link things together, a new roster page, and likely an intro to the "Old Regime" and how things stand at the start of this new chapter... that thread'll likely be a "News" style thread with in-world headlines...

First order of in game business is going to be deciding an inaugural champion...

Lirliel

*Groans* Alright... *Flashes Xerial*

Hmm good, sounds like a plan :) After that we can sort everything together, make a News thread etc. indeed and we'll be under way.

As for a champion.. hmm.. who had the most wins in the last game? Or.. putting it wrongly, who was the most uber character build.
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Xerial

I was thinking that'd be a good judge of things... who, of those still involved, had the best record... of course the first challenge for that'll be coming soon enough... I plan on keeping a "card" and "PPV" style cycle going, one whereby the top championship is subject to challenge at least every PPV...

Lirliel

*Nods* That might be best, only the very best can challenge the top Champion./
"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Amberghylles

I'd be interested in playing if there's still room.  I was in the original game but that was around the time I had to drop off the forums due to an overabundance of Real Life (tm) unfortunately.

Xerial

There's definitly room, plenty more in fact. I've yet to finish up the re-organizing and story ramp-up, but there's room for as many people as want to put time into this... I see the roster as being a fluid thing, in fact...

Amberghylles

Cool.   :D

I'm looking forward to seeing the rule tweaks.

Lirliel

"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Zaer Darkwail

I think Nursie had most win records along whit the dark skinned female combatant (does not recall name now). Golden Lion sadly tough had not winned many matches but he had good enough looks so he may have been employed to future matches.

Xerial

The Golden Lion was a victim of bad luck 's all... I can definitly see him as a contender still, if he's who you'd like to play...

So far it's looking like the Nurse has the most wins, followed by Kitsune... which makes Liriel the incumbant champ either way...  ;D

Lirliel

"Jealousy would be far less torturous if we understood that love is a passion entirely unrelated to our merits."

"A minute of perfection was worth the effort. A moment was the most you could ever expect from perfection."

Amberghylles


Xerial

Aye, it's either the Nurse or Kitsune... both were tied, record-wise...


I'm working on the archival/link thread at the moment, and soon will be posting a slew of new threads... first shall come the new OOC thread, so everyone can get into things... all new threads are going to be marked [EWF: New Era]

Rayve13

Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on May 09, 2007, 01:57:11 AM
I think Nursie had most win records along whit the dark skinned female combatant (does not recall name now). Golden Lion sadly tough had not winned many matches but he had good enough looks so he may have been employed to future matches.

The other woman was Vice, and I would have been there too if not for a little bad luck here and there, then me dropping out of everything. Grrrrr...

ZK

I was going to play originally, but the mechanics of the game itself is what kept me away, it looked awfully complicated.
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Xerial

The rules do seem hefty, but once you get into the swing of things it's quite the ellegant system. I'm still re-engineering the threads at the moment, archiving the old, splitting the character/rule/challenge thread into three seperate and clear entities... look for everything to be somewhat in place tonight...  ;D

Zaer Darkwail

Good, provide us then link to the game when it is done :).


Mia Saisyu

Does this mean we can apply for characters now? Maybe you should also post in players : wanted :D

Zaer Darkwail

in OOC he said you can PM him the chars now whit updated rules :).