Online Necromunda

[Celestial Goblin]

Hey, is anyone here up to play online Necromunda?

We'd use the splendid 'maptool' as our virtual table and we can make any gimmicky terrain we wish. Multi-level structures will be a bit difficult, but possible if we mark them properly.

Necromunda itself is available as a free download.

So, no miniatures needed, just a will to play:)

[HairyHeretic]

I'd be willing to give it a look. Its been a looooooooooong time since my Van Saars (SWANT - Special Weapons And No Tactics) were on the table.  :D

[Celestial Goblin]

Ok.
Here's the program: http://rptools.net/doku.php?id=maptool:intro.
On the same page, you can find a very cool gadget for making tokens to use in the game.
One snap and you've got a token to play.

Myself, I'm going Orlock and might try a Scav gang too. I'll also make some simple objects to be terrain.

[ZK]

Sounds interesting, nice linky to the tools, might need to also add said links to the useful link area.

[HairyHeretic]

Probably won't get a look at it tonight. I've a few things I need to do, and I seem to have a cold coming on hard that makes me want to just crawl into my pit instead.

[Celestial Goblin]

That's too bad Hairy. But let me know when you'll feel better and still want to play.
ZK, you game?

[HairyHeretic]

In a similar vein, do you know Vassal? There are mods for it for both Battlefleet Gothic and B5: A Call to Arms.

I've not played it, but heard good things about it.

[Swedish Steel]

I used to play Esher back in the days. I think I will give this a look.

[ZK]

I never played it before.

[Celestial Goblin]

In a similar vein, do you know Vassal? There are mods for it for both Battlefleet Gothic and B5: A Call to Arms.

I've not played it, but heard good things about it.

I know Vassal. It's decent as well. I'd probably be using it if not that MapTool is easier to set up and there's no dedicated Necromunda(or Mordheim) mod for it.
Gothic sounds interesting, though.

I used to play Esher back in the days. I think I will give this a look.

Ok, let me know when you want to try it.

I never played it before.

It's not particularly complicated and it's good, violent fun.
Rules are here to download.
http://www.specialist-games.com/necromunda/rulebook.asp

BTW, if someone wants, I can make them tokens for their gang. You'd just need to send me your roster first:)

[kongming]

Ooh! Me!

Hmm... someone already has Escher picked, so could I play Arbites? :D

*The rules for Arbites are on their site, too. Or I could play Redemption, if you don't want the Arbites on the field.

[Celestial Goblin]

Hey, sure. The optional rules are fun:)

By the way, here's how maps can look in the game. Since MapTool isn't 3d, I just write the height of buildings next to them. The only thing I didn't figure out to do comfortably are complicated multi-level structures. Those are possible to do, but would require us to mark which troops are 'on top' and which are 'inside'.

[ZK]

I knew it sounded familiar but didn't ring a bell. ^.^ I'd have to read the rules. Does it differ a lot from WH40K?

[Celestial Goblin]

It's like WH40k but with every trooper being individual and able to gain skills.
Typically 10 or more people per side. It takes place in a Hive World, with gangs fighting for territory.

[kongming]

So, I've made up two "gangs": A Redemption crusade, complete with priestess (heavily based on the SoB, in fact, this could seriously be a recruitment facility the Adepta Sororitas use from time to time) and an Arbites patrol, complete with their little doggie. Both teams are mostly female, because that's the way I roll, but the Arbites patrol has a mandatory male, for the "Allo allo allo, what's all this then? Things look a bit pear-shaped here or what. You're fucking nicked, my son."

So, I can use one, the other, or even both if we're playing large scale multiple gangs per player stuff.

[Celestial Goblin]

So I made an Orlock gang for now and I'm going to make a Scavvy horde as well.
Scavvies are fun:)

I'm all ready to play, myself. We could use IM to coordinate further and I'll make a MapTool server for us. We can have the first battle as a 'test' one or begin a normal campaign, with territories and stuff.

[kongming]

Do we need to do it over IM? I'm very opposed to playing games over IM.

[Celestial Goblin]

Nah, I meant IM would be a good way to agree when to play.

The program I mean to use is, let's say... 'map with a chatroom'
We can post a screenshot of every turn to the forums, but otherwise it's like playing a normal tabletop game.

Sorry if I sounded confusing, you thought it's more of a PBEM kind of deal?

[kongming]

Yeah, I thought we'd basically use the boards as normal - I thought the map program would basically just be used to post the movement and all every turn. I guess I'll bow out then - I just can't hold myself to a schedule for online things, and don't like to do IM style play where I have to pay attention and can't just read and post in my own good time.

[Celestial Goblin]

I'd be willing to play it on the boards as well. This way it would look like battle reports in White Dwarf... It's not a bad idea really...

[kongming]

Yay! Still in, then.

[Celestial Goblin]

Ok. So I assume we're going to be posting our moves in the form of the current map picture + colorful arrows and such?

Also, we're going to start a campaign, I assume? If so, post your gang and generate territories and everything... Then I'll generate a random mission.

Oh yes, do you want me to make graphical tokens for your chars? Or maybe you have pictures for me to use?

[HairyHeretic]

I'd be up for a campaign. I just need to download the rulebook and refresh my memory of the game. Its been a long time since I played it.

[kongming]

Gang: Red Redemption of the Bloody Rose
House: Cawdor (Redemptionist Crusade)
Gang Rating: 957
Credits Remaining: 65
Territories: None (special)
Special Rules: Crusade, No Territories, Hatred of Mutants and Witches, Outlaws

Priestess Atraxia (M 4 WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 (2) Ld 8)
Equip: Knife, Chainsword+Exterminator, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Whip
Special: Crusade, Leadership, Pinning, Redeemer, Inspire
XP: 65

Deacon Kassandra (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Knife, Melta Gun, Krak Grenades, Flamer
XP: 66

Zealot Furia (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Eviscerator+Exterminator
Special: Frenzy
XP: 23

Zealot Immolata (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 7)
Equip: 2 Whips
Special: Frenzy
XP: 21

Crusader Somnifera (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Knife, Shotgun, Hot Shot shells, Bolter Shells
XP: 25

Crusader Eliza (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Knife, Autogun, Stubber, Dum Dum Rounds
XP: 22

Devotee Akadia (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6)
Equip: Knife, Chain and Whip, Stubber
XP: 0

Devotee Novia (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6)
Equip: Knife, Flail, Autopistol
XP: 0

*Characters with (2) attacks take into account the fact that they are only equipped with 1-H melee weapons, pistols and grenades.

I'll post up the patrol team... later, I guess.

[kongming]

Patrol: Adeptus Arbites, Hammer of the Emperor
Rating: 2,000 (generally used only in 1,000 point squads, however)
Credits Remaining: None (not used)
Territories: None (Special)
Special Rules: No Territories, No Income, Patrols, Fed, Ammo, No Trades/Ransoms, probably more

Sergeant Styx (M 4 WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 (2) Ld 8)
Equip: Plasma Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Melta Bombs, Photon Flash Flares
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Iron Will, Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 63
Male

Enforcer Jenny (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Heavy Stubber
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Halo (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Grenade Launcher (plus Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades and Choke Gas Grenades)
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Plex (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Combat Shotgun (Solid, Scatter and Executioner Rounds)
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Calamity (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Suppression Shield
Carapace Armour (4+, 2+ on forward arc)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Male

Enforcer Flair (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 7)
Equip: Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Suppression Shield, Power Maul
Carapace Armour (4+, 2+ on forward arc)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Domina (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 7)
Equip: Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Suppression Shield, Power Maul
Carapace Armour (4+, 2+ on forward arc)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Tzarice (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Combat Shotgun (Solid, Scatter and Executioner Rounds)
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Enforcer Lethe (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Combat Shotgun (Solid, Scatter and Executioner Rounds)
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Handler Papavera (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7)
Equip: Bolt Pistol, Knife, Choke Gas Grenades, Boltgun
Carapace Armour (4+)
Skills: Specialist, Nerves of Steel
XP: 23
Female

Cyber-Mastiff (M 6 WS 4 BS - S 5 T 4 A 1 I 3 W 1 Ld -)
Equip: Teeth
Carapace Armour (4+)
XP: 25
Robot

[Celestial Goblin]

I'd be up for a campaign. I just need to download the rulebook and refresh my memory of the game. Its been a long time since I played it.

Do you want to join us playing trough the forums, then?

Ok, here's my first gang:

Gang: House Orlock, the Skavengers
Rating:1359
Credits Remaining:5
Territories:Slag,Mine Workings,Chem Pit,Guilder Contact,Tunnels

Karl the Skavenger(boss) (M 4 WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 (2) Ld 8
Equip: Shotgun(scatter,solid,manstopper),Chainsword,Knife
Skills: Leader
XP: 64

Metalhead(heavy) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Heavy Stubber, Stub Gun, Knife
Skills: Heavy
XP: 64

Psycho(heavy) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Flamer, Stub Gun, Knife
Skills: Heavy
XP: 63

Skorpid(ganger) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Autogun, 2 Knives
Skills:
XP: 22

Ivo(ganger) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Autogun, 2 Knives
Skills:
XP: 25

Bonesplitter(ganger) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Autogun, Bludgeon, Knife
Skills:
XP: 26

Damnatio(ganger) (M 4 WS 3 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 Ld 7
Equip: Shotgun(scatter,solid,manstopper), 2 Knives
Skills:
XP: 25

Ratman(juve) (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6
Equip: Autopistol, Chain, Knife
Skills:
XP: 0

Frida(juve) (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6
Equip: Autopistol, Chain, Knife
Skills:
XP: 0

Roy(juve) (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6
Equip: Autopistol, Chain, Knife
Skills:
XP: 0

Tarkus(juve) (M 4 WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 3 A 1 (2) Ld 6
Equip: Autopistol, Chain, Knife
Skills:
XP: 0

Black Igor(scum) (M 4 WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 3 A 1 Ld 8
Equip:2 Bolt Pistols, Knife
Skills:Quick Draw,Gunfighter
XP: 0

edit:I'll roll the first scenario after I know if Hairy is playing together with us in the same battle...

[HairyHeretic]

I'd certainly like to. Here's my gang. I think I've got the numbers right

Leader - Velasquez  (120)
Knife
Chainsword (25)
Las pistol (15)
Lasgun (25)
XP: 65

Ganger - Frost (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Lasgun (25)
XP: 22

Ganger - Krowe (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Lasgun (25)
XP: 21

Ganger - Hawkins (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Lasgun (25)
XP: 22

Ganger - Lambert (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Shotgun (20)
Man stopper shells (5)
XP: 22

Ganger - Blayne (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Shotgun (20)
Man stopper shells (5)
XP: 22

Ganger - Eliot (50)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Shotgun (20)
Man stopper shells (5)
XP: 26

Heavy - Drachen (60)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
Heavy stubber (120)
XP: 62

Juve - Cantrell (25)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
XP: 0

Juve - Harrigan (25)
Knife
Laspistol (15)
XP: 0

Rating: 1262

Territory:
1: Old ruins
2: Settlement
3: Slag
4: Old ruins
5: Slag

[Celestial Goblin]

Ok, the scenario is Gang Fight(page 110)
Since there's 3 of us, each of us fights both ways. No alliances.

This is the map.

Everyone rolls a d6. The lowest roll gets to pick their corner of the table first.
Everyone sets up in 8" from their chosen corner.

Then we roll another d6 and the highest roll gets to go first.

As the scenario goes, the goal is just to shoot everyone else...
My result for deployment is 6, so I choose last.
My result for turn sequnce is 3.

edit: The brown squares are barrels. They're 1" high. Green sludge is difficult terrain, so people move trough it at half speed.

[HairyHeretic]

Deployment 1, turn sequence 3. Looks like well have to roll off for that one.

[kongming]

I have a pair of 4s, so I get second choice for placement and I... go first? I'm not sure if that's a benefit or not, but still.

Oh, and the "gang" I'll be bringing to this is a Patrol team of the Arbites - they're actually here to stop the trouble and lock everyone up bang-in-the-slammer, SORTED!

Specifically: Jenny, Plex, Domina, Styx and Flair.

[Celestial Goblin]

Ok, Hairy, which corner?

[Swedish Steel]

Yeah, I'll sit this one out, but if it looks fun I'll join after this game.

[HairyHeretic]

Bottom right. I'll take the high ground :)

[Celestial Goblin]

(and my roll for sequence:6)

[HairyHeretic]

Sequence reroll is a 3.

[kongming]

Top-left!

[Celestial Goblin]

I'll take the lower left.

Ok. Before I make a thread for the game itself, I have a few doubts about the placement.

Are you okay with having to save the map to your disk, open it with a image editing program and mark where your units stand exactly?
Or should I be sending the MapTool's save file around?

Come to think of it, this could be a bit time-consuming either way...

[HairyHeretic]

I can probably do either.

I just realised though that I don't have counters done up for my gang. Is there a generic set I can use for the moment?

[Celestial Goblin]

Contact me and I'll send you my whole counters folder:)

[HairyHeretic]

I must be doing something wrong with this, as I can't seem to get the maptool doing what the manual says it should be. Would it be ok if I gave you positions for my gang, and you added them in?

[Celestial Goblin]

Wait, damn... I also need to send you the save file... I'm sending it right now...

[HairyHeretic]

Could not load campaign: com.caucho.hessian.io.HessianProtocolException: unknown code:P

Erm .... ?

[Celestial Goblin]

I have this error sometimes...
Do you have the latest version?
maptool-development.jnlp?

Huh, sorry for the trouble...

[HairyHeretic]

I thought I did. I'll double check after I get home from work this evening.

[Celestial Goblin]

Okay, you can both contact me if you'll have any problems setting something up.
If it won't work out, I'll apologize and admit I'm stupid, but it's worth a try.

[HairyHeretic]

Well, it's the most recent version. Not really sure what I can do. If it works for the two of you though, I can always sit this fight out, and join in once we can get me joined in.

[kongming]

Worst-case scenario? We simply edit the most recent image in Paint/Photoshop/whatever.

[HairyHeretic]

I'm also happy to describe my moves based on the map, and let someone with a working version do the actual moving :)

[Celestial Goblin]

(I've been busy trough the weekend, here I am now)

Okay, I'll be honest and admit this might be a bit unplayable, the way I envisioned it.
I forgot that with using MSPaint we'd be unable to use proper measuring and all that.

I'm sorry to you both, but I think playing a game like Necromunda trough forums won't work. Something very 2d like Gothic could maybe work, but otherwise, it wouldn't really cut it.

Mind you, I'm still up for playing this live.
Hairy, if you still care to, let me know and I'll see if your stuff will work in client mode. It probably will.
Kongming, please forgive me for whetting your apetite like this. Don't spank me? (too hard?)

[HairyHeretic]

Timezones would probably make a live game hard to arrange, and my time isn't the best right now. Probably better to set this one aside for the moment.

Thats not to say you can't do something similar. I created and ran a strategic type Stargate game, which worked quite well both around a table and remotely online too.

[kongming]

Don't worry Celest, I won't spank you. Because you're a man. Icky.

Besides, I'm probably too lazy to play with the map stuff every turn and all.