SB and Unverified members.

[Sherona]

So, I am thinking that because Elliquiy has Role Play in its description many people, namely underage children, might likely bring it up on a normal Google search of Role Play. I know that we have had, in the past, underage people sign up and not post intro, and not get approved due to being underage and what not..however they can still see teh Shout Box.

I think this is one of the reasons the SB has been deemed PG-13, or supposed to be. However many people have different views of what is PG-13 (as really, its probably more opinion then any real Fact when it comes to the grey areas) My suggestion is, is there anyway to disable the SB from Unverified? They can't post in it, but can see the goigns on readily, if we removed that from them, and kept it to where those who do not want t turned on they can turn it off, I think it would work well.

[Vekseid]

I've alternately been thinking of having two shoutboxes, one public and the other private entirely.

[Greenthorn]

Considering that I myself have probably crossed the line in the SB I think a private one would be an excellent idea.  But in reality then do we even need a public one?  Sure, could be a way to get quick answers, but would not making a quick thread also do that?  I know I definitely read all threads that are not ongoing games/stories.

*ponders*

[Sherona]

That seems to be a nice little compromise to help solve all the issues with the SB. New Players wont see nothing but a Grope fest going on, and get the wrong impression of what this site is primarily about (I.E. Writing and role playing rather then just cybering) and those of us who wish to avoid the grope fest will still have a place they can make the occasional shout out to our friends.

As well as give those who do enjoy and want the playful banter of such questionable pg-13 issues, a place to do so in private etc. Since not all are able to access the IRC this would seem like a decent compromise :)

The problem I think happening is it would essentially be two spots where one is public and one is private. SB is public and often times gets treated, either by forgetting or simply just getting carried away with what started out as a simple Hug..

Personally I do not see a need for Unverified members seeing the SB since they can not engage in conversation there anyways, it just seems simpler on you if you just denied Unverified people access...I could see that it shows somewhat the community behavior and activity, but I forsee the public sb being forsaken except by the minority of us who want rated-PG chat only, where we can say Hey, how ya doing? Sorry to hear your not feelign well..in short the public SB would be rarely used, and not sure how much of a drain on resources that would be..

[Sherona]

Considering that I myself have probably crossed the line in the SB I think a private one would be an excellent idea.  But in reality then do we even need a public one?  Sure, could be a way to get quick answers, but would not making a quick thread also do that?  I know I definitely read all threads that are not ongoing games/stories.

*ponders*

Those of you who do enjoy the grope fests that go on in SB now are not the only ones who enjoy being able to chat with others who can not use IRC :) Yeah we can make posts, but the SB is easier then making a post of saying "Hey Elvi, Hope your headache is better" But again, I do have to agree with you that those of us who would utilize a public SB and shut off a Private one would be in the minority it does seem.

[Vekseid]

Since the front end now links to n AJAX Chat, and I plan to link between them eventually...

A public shoutbox would be a good way for guests to ask questions.

[Sherona]

Ah yes, if they can chat on it the it would be a very good place to ask questions :)

[Greenthorn]

Those of you who do enjoy the grope fests that go on in SB now are not the only ones who enjoy being able to chat with others who can not use IRC :) Yeah we can make posts, but the SB is easier then making a post of saying "Hey Elvi, Hope your headache is better" But again, I do have to agree with you that those of us who would utilize a public SB and shut off a Private one would be in the minority it does seem.

But see my thoughts are not on "majority rules".  So there must be a happy medium ;D  

*wishes she knew more about the innards of a forum* I am so one of those 'problem solver' type people! (I annoy myself!)

[Sherona]

Since the front end now links to n AJAX Chat, and I plan to link between them eventually...

A public shoutbox would be a good way for guests to ask questions.

oo idea


it would also help incorporate the new "guests" into the community so that they get a chance to know us on a more real time basis and we get to know them on a real time basis. Less of the "ok..so..I am the new person....yeah...um.." Awkwardness.

I know myself I am usually busy posting and what not, and can't get to the introductions thread as much as I would liek (none at all now as I am prone to sudden snarkishness) but a Public sb where Guiests could get to know people and what not would go a long way to help that, since its visible even when I am on a specific part of forums.

[Elvi]

I for one enjoy using the shout box when certain people aren't on making their boarder line and sometimes overtly sexual remarks and playing 'puppy dogs in the kennel'.

I always believed that the shout box was there for those to 'chat', not to have to 'shout' over the top of others smothering people in chocolate and groping everyone who dares to put in an appearance.

As for making threads?
Well...surely making threads would be better put to use for those wanting to grope, fondle and 'play', not as Sherona has said, to ask how people are doing or for someone to ask a quick question.

I would actually question the point of making yet another place for people to 'mess around' in....isn't chat and PM's enough for goodness sake?

[Xillen]

The only problem I have with unapproved people being able to shout is the lack of moderation.

In the chat, we occasionally get people in, and say stuff that really has no use there, but it'll just be gone and whoever joins afterwards won't see it.

In the shout box, it sticks around.

As for people that cannot connect to IRC, pretty much anyone able to use the shoutbox is able to connect via Mibbit at the least. The shoutbox is not really an alternative to the chatroom, imho, but a different medium.

Wouldn't 2 shoutboxes be overly clumsy?

[Elvi]

*coughs*

You have seen the problem I have with chat Xillen....

I have to agree with you on the public shout box thing as well....I can imagine the trolls that it could attract.
We had this problem on a site that I moderated upon and had to make the shout box members only....

[strangely made]

I personally don't feel that we need two shout boxes, one is enough as long as people remember that it is meant to be PG13.

I have to admit that most of the time I don't have the SB on now, but on the few times I have turned it on the conversation has gone way past PG13. If people want to 'touch each other up' then that is what the Private threads are for, you know the ones that non members can't see.

Occasionally I've wanted to use the SB but being caught in the middle of a Grope fest or major tongue wrestling is too distracting.

Perhaps one answer would be for the sirens to remind people of the PG13 rule and some way to moderate SB posts?

[Vekseid]

The only problem I have with unapproved people being able to shout is the lack of moderation.

I would probably give everyone moderation powers over the public shout. Everyone with privilidged or drupal access, anyway.

[Xillen]

Elvi> Yeah. Didn't really understand it, but it was an issue with the Java client, that I'm pretty sure about. Mibbit is a different client than the one you used and doesn't even require Java.

I kinda agree with Strangely. One box should be enough. If people really want to grope, they can use PM's or chat or IM? Though the SB would need a bit of an upgrade for that, to allow for some decent moderation?

[strangely made]

What's drupal access ?

[Xillen]

Access to the rest of the site, other than the forum.

It's used for people that update the blogs and galleries, among other stuff.

[Sherona]

Elvi> Yeah. Didn't really understand it, but it was an issue with the Java client, that I'm pretty sure about. Mibbit is a different client than the one you used and doesn't even require Java.

I kinda agree with Strangely. One box should be enough. If people really want to grope, they can use PM's or chat or IM? Though the SB would need a bit of an upgrade for that, to allow for some decent moderation?

This is how it is suppose to be now, but unfortunately it has evolved to a public forum for such things. Now I can see why people might want a spot to do this in, I am not particularly a fan of such goings on but I am very quirky when it comes to touching and what not even online. but yeah 2 SB's seems clunky on the outside, but many of us are being pushed out of the SB due to this behavior that has become the norm rather then an occasional spurt.

Thus said, I would think that the IRC would be a better spot for such playfulness, as one can make their own chatrooms there if I remember correctly and even use the uncensored chats for such purposes..and it requires no refreshing. But some do like teh SB due to simplicity.

[Greenthorn]

The sirens do remind "us"..especially Bliss...about the pg-13 rules.

I have an opinion on the chat though and why many SB "gropers" don't just go there.

The chat is intimidating to many mostly because there are cliques...and yes, this is immature considering we are all adults, but going into the chat is outside of many people's comfort zone.  I know a few of the regular SB people don't like chat because they have been admonished there also, for less serious offenses at that!  Also, being as the chat -is- more private, females who are only looking for playfulness might be worried that going to chat means "cybering".

I personally can "hang out" in both places, and have fun doing so...and yes in both places I roll my eyes many..MANY times at some antics (and other times I do get caught up in it), but the different "personalities" in both places..do clash!

Still vote for a private SB. Or maybe people should use yahoo conferences or the like.  (I hope I made sense...since I know I am one of the offenders)

[Sherona]

Also, being as the chat -is- more private, females who are only looking for playfulness might be worried that going to chat means "cybering".

But wouldn't a Private SB be ..the same thing?



and I didn't suggest this because of "offenders" I suggested this simply because I know I and others ahve talked about it ebfore, as well as I have discussed it with Veks, about unapproved members who may or may not be of age, can see these things. I suggested this so tha there is a way so that Unverifieds are not immersed in sexually oriented things before they are approved. this is why the sexual content threads are hidden from them in the first place.

[Elvi]

"The chat is intimidating to many mostly because there are cliques"

And the shoutbox isn't?

I've seen many a person 'ignored' when coming on to say hello, especially when people are fighting over the top of each other to see who can get another 'grope of her tits' in before the other can 'grab her and pull her into a corner to stick their tongue down her throat'....

[Xillen]

The chat is intimidating to many mostly because there are cliques...and yes, this is immature considering we are all adults, but going into the chat is outside of many people's comfort zone.  I know a few of the regular SB people don't like chat because they have been admonished there also,

Seriously, anything that called for admonishing in the default channel on the chat should surely call for the same in the shoutbox.

Also, being as the chat -is- more private, females who are only looking for playfulness might be worried that going to chat means "cybering".

Like to remind one additional time (and yes, I know Greenthorn knows, but I keep hoping that every time I mention it might help) that that is not the case. #Elliquiy (the chatroom you arrive on on default) does not allow explicit cybering at all. People can take it to other channels or IRC PM's of course, but that's their own choice.

I personally can "hang out" in both places, and have fun doing so...and yes in both places I roll my eyes many..MANY times at some antics (and other times I do get caught up in it), but the different "personalities" in both places..do clash!

Seriously, from my point of view, the frequentspammers in the SB are way more clique than the people in the chat. Maybe that makes me part of the chat clique, dunno.

Still vote for a private SB. Or maybe people should use yahoo conferences or the like.  (I hope I made sense...since I know I am one of the offenders)

Yes, let's use Yahoo conferences to overcome the accessability and cliche problems that the IRC chat has ??? If you want realtime interaction, use the medium the site offers for that, don't abuse the medium that is not!

[Greenthorn]

But wouldn't a Private SB be ..the same thing?



and I didn't suggest this because of "offenders" I suggested this simply because I know I and others ahve talked about it ebfore, as well as I have discussed it with Veks, about unapproved members who may or may not be of age, can see these things. I suggested this so tha there is a way so that Unverifieds are not immersed in sexually oriented things before they are approved. this is why the sexual content threads are hidden from them in the first place.

All in all..I agree about the SB...I really do.  It does get out of hand.  I wasn't assuming you were directing anything about me Sherona, honestly I was just "outing" myself  :)  I do go too far in the SB.  Oh! Another thing...maybe simply put a header over the SB reminding of the pg-13 status!!  I just realized that I only knew about the rule after I had been admonished -in- the SB.  

Hmmm..know what might also be a good idea?  An automated PM (everyone reads their PMs, especially newbies) once one is approved, making them aware of the less realized rules.  Hmmm..and give instructions for how to get into chat if they cannot...and who to contact should they have a problem with chat...and all of those commands with chat...wow I could go on and on  :-X  But then at the end of the PM, have them respond that they have read and understood it.  Maybe even make it "un-deletable"  is that a word?.

[Airindel]

I'm personally against having one shoutbox, let alone two.  I cannot begin to express the loathing that I have for some of the antics that occurs there, not now, and not in the past. In my humble opinion, it is not being used for the purpose it was intended, and I have to concur with Elvi's points and opinions.

[Captain Maltese]

Well, no more antics in the SB for me. Actually, I doubt I'll even keep it open anymore. After all I might say something and before I knew it, someone would disapprove. If anyone wants my attention from now on, use PM. That will keep everybody happy, right?

[Elvi]

All in all..I agree about the SB...I really do.  It does get out of hand.  I wasn't assuming you were directing anything about me Sherona, honestly I was just "outing" myself  :)  I do go too far in the SB.  Oh! Another thing...maybe simply put a header over the SB reminding of the pg-13 status!!  I just realized that I only knew about the rule after I had been admonished -in- the SB.  

Hmmm..know what might also be a good idea?  An automated PM (everyone reads their PMs, especially newbies) once one is approved, making them aware of the less realized rules.  Hmmm..and give instructions for how to get into chat if they cannot...and who to contact should they have a problem with chat...and all of those commands with chat...wow I could go on and on  :-X  But then at the end of the PM, have them respond that they have read and understood it.  Maybe even make it "un-deletable"  is that a word?.

*rolls eyes*
Yes and we could wipe their noses and make sure their nails are clean before typing....

Come on Greeny....There are enough bloody rules about the parts of the site that is visible to the 'public', whatever happened to common sense and some sort of self control?

(And no....Like Sherona, this isn't all directed at yourself....)

Well, no more antics in the SB for me. Actually, I doubt I'll even keep it open anymore. After all I might say something and before I knew it, someone would disapprove. If anyone wants my attention from now on, use PM. That will keep everybody happy, right?

And I'm sorry Calico, but that has made you sound like a petulant child...

[Kalen]

I agree with Airindel.  I think that most of the.. 'fun'.. that goes on in the SB would be more more suited to a private venue.  PM's, chat, or just plain off of good old 'E.  I've argued this with a few people, in what was supposed to be an honest and straightforward discussion.. but it seems that passions run pretty high about this sort of thing.

But again.. two SB's?  Why, when we already have PM's and Chat?

[Vekseid]

Calm down, please.

And two, because the Shoutbox serves a purpose in that it gets significant use and does not appear to detract significantly from posting rates (at least compared to complaints of other forum owners). I'll probably be redoing it entirely to be easier to hide.

I also want an easier venue for guests to ask questions. Something visible on the front page of the site may help that.

[Captain Maltese]

'Petulant child'? Try 'sad adult'. To me, the shoutbox has been the Elli equivalent of Cheers. Flirting, laughter, shenanigans, people going in and leaving within a minute. No big discussions to disturb, noone who appears to be there but don't answer because they are busy in a private communication. Outside the threads, the SB was the best feature Elli had to offer me. But I'm done with it.  Realising that all this time we who have had gropefests and all sorts of unpolite fun together have had a silent but watching and disapproving public all the time, frankly freaks me out. I didn't come to Elli to piss people off, and obviously that's what I have been doing for three months straight. So even if everybody pretend nothing have happened, I'm not going to enjoy writing anything there again.

As for the chat. I'm not going to have a window open all day for the chat and keep watching it in case someone asks me something when I have half a dozen other windows up too plus other stuff to take care of. Because in the chat I'm supposedly present for communication. I didn't feel that pressure in the SB.

I hope this clarifies my decision.

[Hunter]

Calm down, please.

And two, because the Shoutbox serves a purpose in that it gets significant use and does not appear to detract significantly from posting rates (at least compared to complaints of other forum owners). I'll probably be redoing it entirely to be easier to hide.

I also want an easier venue for guests to ask questions. Something visible on the front page of the site may help that.

Isn't that what the guest forums are supposed to be for?

[Xillen]

Isn't that what the guest forums are supposed to be for?

They seem to feel... very official. People hesitate to post there.

An SB-like thing on the main page could help, but I foresee a LOT of advertisement and spam in there. Heavy moderation would be required. I'd be willing to assist on that, though, if that's what would happen.

[Elvi]

'Petulant child'? Try 'sad adult'. To me, the shoutbox has been the Elli equivalent of Cheers. Flirting, laughter, shenanigans, people going in and leaving within a minute. No big discussions to disturb, noone who appears to be there but don't answer because they are busy in a private communication. Outside the threads, the SB was the best feature Elli had to offer me. But I'm done with it.  Realising that all this time we who have had gropefests and all sorts of unpolite fun together have had a silent but watching and disapproving public all the time, frankly freaks me out. I didn't come to Elli to piss people off, and obviously that's what I have been doing for three months straight. So even if everybody pretend nothing have happened, I'm not going to enjoy writing anything there again.

As for the chat. I'm not going to have a window open all day for the chat and keep watching it in case someone asks me something when I have half a dozen other windows up too plus other stuff to take care of. Because in the chat I'm supposedly present for communication. I didn't feel that pressure in the SB.

I hope this clarifies my decision.

Well Calico, it certainly wasn't myself who was 'watching sliently'.
In fact I believe we had a conversation about the shout box via PM shortly after you joined us?

It seems to me that no-one here is capable of either having a chat or even a silly conversation without having to bring in sex or molesting someone in some way...

[Captain Maltese]

It seems to me that no-one here is capable of either having a chat or even a silly conversation without having to bring in sex or molesting someone in some way...

This IS a site for adult roleplay. Perhaps it's no wonder we tend to bring that mindset along to the other parts of our communication?

[Xillen]

This IS a site for adult roleplay. Perhaps it's no wonder we tend to bring that mindset along to the other parts of our communication?

Roleplaying in a form other than chat cyber is the norm here. The shoutbox actually gives people the wrong impression about that, which is the main concern.

[Captain Maltese]

Roleplaying in a form other than chat cyber is the norm here. The shoutbox actually gives people the wrong impression about that, which is the main concern.

While I agree that it gives the wrong impression from the outside, my impression from this debate is that the main concern is that the activities there are considered frivolous - the word gropefest has been mentioned a number of times - and therefore undesirable for the members who wish to use the SB for other purposes.

[Elvi]

Not frivolous Calico, rude, offencive and indecent at times....

I have gone onto the shout box, simply wanting to chat, say hello to some that were on there and have literally been molested.
On one occasion I was greeted with *Gropes Elvi's T*ts and sticks hand in her panties* and that was in answer to 'good morning folks'.

I have seen new members 'molested' in similar ways, become very upset about it and it was I who was 'censured' when I lost my temper over the matter.

Don't forget, when talking to someone in the shout box, you are talking to that person and not a character.
Would you do and say in real life what you do and say in the shout box, would you speak in that manner on an introduction or on another OOC part of the open site?

 

[Sherona]

I really didnt want to get into this, or I would have put this in rants and raves. However.

Nope. I have been driven from the SB because of the groping. Why you might ask? Because everytim I hae stuck my head in there to say hi to someone NOT groping everyone in sight, suddenly my breasts were being "fondled" or I have been "groped" Just by random people...its much like sticking your head into a night club looking for a friend and a bunch of drunks start pawing at you.

Now that hasn't happened recently no...I don't know if its because of the well typed out suggestions about avoiding despair or if it is simply because i keep SB turned off more then On.


And yes this site ALLOWS for adult rp...but that is not ALL this site is. That is the impression that posting this suggestion was to avoid. This site was created for literary rp, not just to have sex with anything that actually moves in chat form. I am sorry if this is snarkish but it is what it is.

Like I said, I am perfectly happy keeping SB turned off and not being comfortable using it, as long as unverifieds are not being doused with non-pg-13 stuff. *shrugs*>

[Hunter]

Yes, it's been a problem lately.   (And admittedly, I've been borderline as well lately.)  I think it's because it's easier to act non pg-13 in the shoutbox because it's so convienent.  I'm not going to suggest changes but I think a reminder would be appropriate to repeat offenders.

[Xillen]

I don't have anything to say about the shoutbox, but if you encounter that kind of actions in the chat, be sure to alert one of the channel moderators (who can be recognized by having the @ character in front of their nickname on the nicknames list to the right), and the issue will be dealt with! Fortunately, it has been rare :)

[Captain Maltese]

You know, when you think about it...the SB is technically just a minimalistic thread. Since we seem to have no problems with posting endless threads with word association games etc, how about making a thread called Shameless Flirting and Chatting and give it a link on the forum page? Then we who like that sort of thing can keep it there....

[Xillen]

That might actually be a good option! People not interested could just stay clear of that, and the people actually enjoying it, don't have to keep the "PG-13" in mind.

[Elvi]

Do it Calico...I've suggested it many times....*smiles*...infact I believe that it has been done before...

[Captain Maltese]

I could make a thread. But as soon as anyone else makes one, there's no longer a virtual shoutbox but just another endless list of quickly dying threads. It would have to be something newcomers could immediately attach to - and something we can find again without searching. At the very least it ought to be a sticky. And where'd we post it anyway? humor? on topic? off topic?

[Vekseid]

If someone directs a message like that at you, Elvi, please let me know and point me to where the archives list it.

A general problem with gropefests would be no different if I made it fully private and x-rated. And when people get scolded for it, they complain about the cliques that have formed here. It's a well-used feature, getting about half as many posts as the entire rest of the forum combined. I could give the sirens moderation power over it, but that wouldn't seem to be enough.

If I split it up into strictly PG-13 and R/X rated ones, then some would keep one closed, some would keep both closed, and some would keep both open, and there would be less activity in each one, making them easier to moderate. Then the only complaining I'd hear is 'why are there two!?'

[NightBird]

Personally, I've had it turned off since about two days after it appeared, but I never use chat, and rarely ever use an IM. I'm fine with whatever is done with SB, chat, IRC or whatever as long as I can avoid seeing it. There's no reason to go into why. I'll just leave it at it not being my 'thing'. I have no problems with gropefests or playfulness or any of the rest of it, so I think two (one for orgies, the other for casual broadcast communication), is probably the best idea. Give everybody room to enjoy what they enjoy.

[Cutter]

You know, when you think about it...the SB is technically just a minimalistic thread. Since we seem to have no problems with posting endless threads with word association games etc, how about making a thread called Shameless Flirting and Chatting and give it a link on the forum page? Then we who like that sort of thing can keep it there....

I'm for it. I belong to another forum that has a similar thread. Got for it, Capt. If not, I'll start it. The powers that be can let me know where I should put it.

I admit, I get caught up in the 'adult' fun in the SB. I did not realize how it offended so many. Personally, I have a thick skin and let stuff roll off my back. I tend to forget everyone is not as easy as Sunday morning like myself!!!! :D There are so many diverse people here with different personalities, so I guess some would feel offended. If I offended, I apologize.

[Captain Maltese]

I called it the Steambox.

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=14627.0

[Caustic]

I have gone onto the shout box, simply wanting to chat, say hello to some that were on there and have literally been molested.
On one occasion I was greeted with *Gropes Elvi's T*ts and sticks hand in her panties* and that was in answer to 'good morning folks'.

My god, was the hand still alive!?

[Trieste]

It seems like there is a lack of communication... about our communication. The first thing I want to say is that I'm in favour of two SBs... as long as they don't clutter up the already-full main index. I don't know how you can implement it without cutting it into two panes side by side or top and bottom ... both of which have pros and cons. I hate webpage clutter, though... hate it. So hopefully if this is implemented, it'll be in a way that doesn't make things at the top feel jumbled and crowded.

That said: My main issue with the PG-13 thing is that it's been forever since I've had to pay attention to movie ratings. G, PG, PG-13, R, X ... I try not to do anything outright on the shoutboard, but I know sometimes I'll look at something and say "Hmmm... not sure if that's over the line" and end up not posting it, or posting a watered-down version of it... if I'm not wrapped up in a conversation and remember to think before I hit enter. I don't always do that... and find myself feeling bad sometimes about certain posts, especially with regards to language (I'm not the cleanest-mouthed person around, and I'm pretty sure the F-word is not PG-13). I'm an adult and have been for several years. I don't have kids to watch out for, and all my younger siblings are old enough to watch R-rated. Sometimes I'm just not sure what constitutes PG-13. That's the main problem, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has it.

Second. I like to play. I love to flirt. I'm a huge flirt. I'm a not-easily-offended flirt. If I did something on the shoutboard such as shoving my hands down someone's panties, all they have to say is "That's not appreciated, Trieste" and from me they would get a "I'm sorry, Elvi!" and nothing more of the sort from me... especially if it was a case in which I'd gotten carried away by other carryings-on. There's no need to lose one's temper over something like that, though it can be extremely frustrating. Yes, I do see the shoutboard getting carried away, and sometimes I say something, but more often I don't. I'm not a moderator. I'm not an admin. People don't have to listen to me, and my stepping up and acting like I have a right to dictate someone else's actions on the Shoutboard - especially when I have a very tenuous hold on what constitutes PG-13 in the first place - only tends to breed resentment and annoyance. Or so it would seem.

I'm thinking that more explicit guidelines may need to be laid out for the SB, just as more explicit guidelines than "Be civil, people" had to be laid out for the forums. Part of the problem may be that there is no real official guide as to what the admins consider PG-13. Is hugging okay, but groping not? Is undefined "*gropes so-and-so*" okay but "*pats Trieste on the ass*" not acceptable? What about language? And if someone steps over the line, there are Sirens for that. They are the board mods, and I'm sure that includes the Shoutboard. All it takes is a PM to one of the lovely ladies listed as a Siren with a link to the Shout archive. "Hey, I don't think this was appropriate. Can you talk with these guys?"... and you get a simple reply of either "Thanks, I'll handle it" or "Well, this is within the rules so you're being oversensitive, here".

So, in short, rules need to be clarified and so does discomfort. Calmly saying "Hey, I don't appreciate that" can go a long way, as could clarification of the rules in place. Different people get offended by different things and react in different ways. Vive la difference, but try to accomodate it, too.

And I've spent a lot of time reading and rereading this post, trying to make sure it says what I mean without coming off as an attack on anybody, because it seems like someone always takes some sort of offence to my posts like this. I'm stating an opinion, not attacking anyone, and I used Elvi's example because she threw it out there as an example. So if something isn't worded well, I apologise in advance and hope that the points I've been trying to make are clear despite that.

[Greenthorn]

*wishes she had organized her thoughts like Trieste did*

Perfectly said Treiste!

[Sherona]

THat was my point when I said "Some people's idea of pg-13 does not always match other people's idea of pg-13"


In movie standards, since that is how you explained it, pg-13 is Kissing, Hugging but no touching intimate parts. Shooting  is allowed but the actual body is not shown (not a lot of blood in other words) For example you could show some man holding a gun and firing, but no tthe victim getting hit by the bullet.

To me Groping is touching intimate parts...when was the last time someone groped an elbow? or a Nose?

I happen to like the 2 sb idea, as long as both (some probably won't want to have the public board open if they already have private I am sure) are easily turned off by individuals. Seems to be a nifty solution.


Edit: I once again I would like to say I didnot make this suggestion because of offense or what not. I made it so that the unverifieds that might or might not be of age could not see sexually explicit material. I. myself, am not offended by what goes on in SB as they are all consenting adults, and I can easily close it when E. isn't being snarkish at me and forcing me to post on SB to refresh main forum page. As I said, I quit using the SB when it became nothing but groping during my primary time on E. and a few HI's were met, as Elvi said, with unrequested gropes or even once had someone out right "fondle" my breasts. THat hasn't happened in a long time, so really, it doesn't bother me to just close teh SB. But then again I am a verified member and I am well over 18 years of age.

The reason I close it and I dont just ignore it, is simply because sb is one liners. My duaghter is 8 years old and can now read. The large walls of text of my stories discourages her from reading, and I can just scroll up when she wants to come in and chat with me...bu tI cant scroll up if in SB "Undefined pulls Undefined2 in his lap and begins groping her" is boom right there..I used to post when I was turning off SB, not to be passive aggressive, but just to let people know that they can't get ahold of me that way any more...but I don't do that any more as most of the people who would try to get a hold of me by saying "Sher!" On the sb do not use it any more either.