WH40000 - what's your opinion?

[HairyHeretic]

Matt Ward had a serious hard on for the smurfs, and when he butchered the Marine codex, suddenly ever Marine who wasn't a smurf wanted to be one, except a few unimportant, insignificant chapters.

[Oniya]

Some are more equal than others.  ;D

[CountessJess]

Matt Ward had a serious hard on for the smurfs, and when he butchered the Marine codex, suddenly ever Marine who wasn't a smurf wanted to be one, except a few unimportant, insignificant chapters.

You're just jealous that the Ultramarines finally got the recognition they deserved.

[HairyHeretic]

Given I play 4 different Chaos forces, not so much :P

[TheGlyphstone]

Matt Ward was, sadly, the writer of the Newcron codex. Were it not for that, I would be able to say that everything he has ever created, such as the newest iteration of the Ultrasues, is terrible.

[Inkidu]

Didn't Ward get let go?

Not that it'll stop people from blaming him for any new mistakes.

Nor would it stop them from hating the brand new poor schmuck. :P

[TheGlyphstone]

Yup, he left/quit/was fired/whatever. Point is that he doesn't write stuff anymore, and it'll take a few years for a new codex to be released and overwrite him.

[Inkidu]

Yup, he left/quit/was fired/whatever. Point is that he doesn't write stuff anymore, and it'll take a few years for a new codex to be released and overwrite him.

If they bother trying. With something as old as 40K (much like Magic: The Gathering) things have been irrevocably ruined since the second edition.

[HairyHeretic]

As someone who has actually has a bit of knowledge around this, keep in mind that there is a lead time for stuff being written, and a codex will typically be finished some months before it is released. Anything he has had a direct hand in, that influence should be gone within, say, a year after he has left. After that, anything should be brand new.

Until recently the turnaround on a codexes has been about once per edition (less for some, true), which has meant a codex lasting about 5 years. The transition from 6th to 7th, and the rise of the digital supplements is changing that, so we could in theory see a brand new codex quicker than that now.

What way a given codex is going to go depends on the design philosophy of the studio, and probably what the suits think will sell, at the time. Sometimes this works, sometimes it goes horribly, horribly wrong, and you're stuck with a pathetic excuse for a codex for years.

[CountessJess]

Hey Beorning =)

[Beorning]

Nooooo! I only begun painting my penitent engine...

Overall, I admit I'm having a bit of... crisis right now when it comes to WH40K. I'm starting to realize that I just don't have the time to commit to it - with my painting speed, getting even a one, small army ready might take the whole year. Also, I might not have the money for it, either - spending $1000 on minis sounds kind of crazy, when I think about it...

I don't know. I used to think that my RPG hobby is expensive, but now it seems pretty reasonable...

[TheGlyphstone]

What does it look like if you only buy new stuff at the rate you can paint it?

[HairyHeretic]

It's not a race :)

I've been in this hobby about 30 years now. I have models older than some people I've played against :P

[Beorning]

Well, if I bought stuff at the rate I was painting, without trying to have the whole army collected ASAP, then I'd be spending $30 a month or so...

[CountessJess]

That sounds like a pretty cheap hobby to me!

[Beorning]

Not when you're earning $500 a month tops...

I must say that I received a bit of gut punch last week when it comes to these matters, as I broke my tooth. I went to a dentist and he informed me that repairing this tooth may cost at least $400. I... have no idea where to get this money from. And with that kind of expense looming over me, I don't dare to think about buying new minis... or paints... or codexes...

[consortium11]

Don't say we didn't warn you on the cost...

On the wider topic, 40K (or Fantasy Battle) can be a ruinously expensive hobby (and Games Workshop are more than happy to fleece you for every penny they can)

40K is expensive, there's no too ways around it. That said, the cost does go down with time. When you're starting off and putting an army together it's going to cost a lot. But once you have that core army the expenses drop down to a far more manageable level; a few new units here and there to give you more options, a new codex every couple of years and maybe some new figures if they're released.

[Beorning]

Don't say we didn't warn you on the cost...

I know, I know...

What complicates matters for me even further is the fact that I'm starting to get bored with painting Sisters. I want to try something else... But if I start collecting a second army right now, then it'll take even longer for me to have anything playable...

Drat. I need a better job, it seems. And I need way more free time. I still haven't read the Dark Heresy rulebook I bought a month ago...

[Hemingway]

If, like me, you paint partly just because you enjoy painting, there's nothing wrong with picking up a model just for painting. I've been collecting for over 10 years, but I can count the games I've played on ... let's say two hands.

I'm hoping to change that with Warmachine, but I only bought Warmachine minis because I wanted to paint something different in the first place.

EDIT: New models arrived today. Tomorrow is going to be fun.

EDIT 2: My camera isn't all that good ( makes the image look a bit muddier than the actual paint is ), but here's a picture of my freshly painted Warmachine mini:

Journeyman Warcaster ( Variant )

... and I just spotted an area that needs a bit of touch-up. Damn.

[Beorning]

So... how's everyone doing?

I managed to do some WH40K-related stuff during the weekend... meaning, I continued painting the penitent engine. This thing has so many parts with so many details..! I really might end up painting it for the whole month...

[HairyHeretic]

Still slowly assembling my Night Lords. My medicae unfortunately suffered an accident, fell from where he was and broke the wings off his helmet. Because they're such small pieces, I have no clued where they bounced off to. I'm debating whether or not I should try to green stuff replacements or just rip his head off and replace it.

[Beorning]

Rip his head off?!? That's just cruel!  ;)

[Wajin]

My Hubby and I finally got a small game of HH Salamanders vs Night Lords done, hubby is now very, very tired of flamers and meltas :P

[HairyHeretic]

Rip his head off?!? That's just cruel!  ;)

What part of 'Night Lords' was unclear? ;)

[Inkidu]

I think one my issues with adopting this game (besides the cost and I haven't painted models since I was thirteen) is that there is such a discrepancy in the books. Armies are quite significantly hamstrung by the fact that they actually haven't been updated to take advantage of some new rule while other codecies have been, and Games Workshop doesn't seem to be chomping at the bit to actually bring the factions up to an even keel. :P

Thankfully the video games aren't bad. XD