El Text Editor problems

Started by Nowherewoman, December 29, 2015, 07:39:08 PM

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Nowherewoman

OK...for a long time, I just was quiet and dealt with this, because I seemed to be the only person experiencing these issues. But they're happening on 2 different machines, the only commonality being the OS (Win10) and the browser- Chrome- so I am BEGGING for any ideas.

Simply put, the editor here very frequently, under certain circumstances, inserts or removes formatting commands on its own.  The most repeatable issues are:

-cut+paste or Copy+paste almost always inserts formatting to set the font size to infinitesimal, and often removes a great deal of other formatting, as well. You can imagine what a PITA this is when folks use code blocks for character sheets and the like (as they so often do). I've had some success in heading this off by hitting the 'clear formatting' button before pasting- but not always.


-deleting across a line break using BKSPC almost always inserts a font size change at the point the line 'wraps back'.


-going back and editing a post that uses the 'center' or 'padding=' commands will, 100% of the time, delete those format marks, untouched by human hands. If there is an image associated with the padding command, if usually vanishes, as well. (in case any of my friendly GMs have wondered why I don't pad my images in posts- that's why. Fixing a typo results in endless extra work if I do.)


Has anyone else run into any of these quirks? Or are there any ideas on what might be causing it? The first few times I just figured pilot error, but they are consistently reproducible, and have been for the whole time I've been here, even changing from WIN7 (on the home machine) and WIN8 (on my laptop) to WIN 10, and updating Chrome.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Nowherewoman

Bumping this because it just did it to me AGAIN. This time I did all my editing in an outside text editor, to avoid having to fix all the mistakes the resident editor inserts into copy and pasted text blocks. The result looked fine to ME, but was apparently illegible to someone I PMed it to.


Now, I find it quite likely that in this one case the interpolated formatting problems were the work of the outside editor- but then WTF didn't I see them in the copy of the document I mailed to myself?


It's getting to the point that I don't care to try to get involved in any game with a formal character sheet, because I know much heartbreak and cursing will result.


Anyone?  Anyone at all?



Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Al Terego

Go to your profile settings and look under "Look and Layout" at the "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default" setting.

If you have it checked, the formatting may change as you describe.  I have noticed it on many sites that use similar editors.

I do not use the setting myself, preferring to see (and even type) raw bbcode.  That way I know exactly what formatting is used, and the "preview" feature shows me what it would look like.

                    

AmberStarfire

I haven't experienced those problems. If it's not linked to a specific browser, then it stands to reason that it probably is your settings and Al Terego's suggestion seems quite possible.

What I find odd is on Elliquiy, when you go to write a post there already is a WYSIWYG editor. It's that section that lets you format your post, yet I know I don't have the box ticked on my settings for it. It may be that there's a conflict between the one in under 'Look and Layout' and the one that's ordinarily set up to work with Elliquiy.







Nowherewoman

#4
Thanks, Al!  Someone else had suggested that, as well, but when I tried to turn it off even odder things happened- like hitting 'reply' and having it auto-insert quotes from earlier in the thread I was replying to!  I'm not sure if it's my version of Chrome, some sort of OS issue, or what, but for me, at least, the editor here seems to be cursed. I just need to step through it as if I were walking through a minefield.

*EDIT*  OK, the latter issue seems perhaps to be linked to Ssieth's draft code, but I haven't confirmed that yet.

And yeah, Amber- not many folks seem to have the slightest idea what I'm talking about. And yet it is almost 100% reproducible at my end. Very annoying.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Nowherewoman

*second edit*

OK, clearing the Chrome cache and reloading El got rid of the spurious quote insert issues w/WYSIWYG turned off. I'll try it this way for a while, and see if stuff improves.  Thanks, folks!
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

If it's any help, that's how I have the settings for Look and Layout:

https://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/6/6f/ElliqSettings.jpg

Though the box 'show most recent posts at the top' will reverse the posting order, so the new posts are at the top and older posts at the bottom.


Nowherewoman

Thanks, hun. It does not seem to have fixed the issue, btw. Cutting and pasting blocks of text still inserts font and size changes UNLESS I hit the 'change view' button first.  *sigh* Goddess bless sitcky noes. Just need to keep reminding myself.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

Quote from: Nowherewoman on January 03, 2016, 05:15:42 PM
Thanks, hun. It does not seem to have fixed the issue, btw. Cutting and pasting blocks of text still inserts font and size changes UNLESS I hit the 'change view' button first.  *sigh* Goddess bless sitcky noes. Just need to keep reminding myself.

What's the change view button?


Al Terego

My settings are here

The change view should only be active if WYSIWYG mode is on.  Are you sure you hit the "Change profile" button to save your changes?
                    

Nowherewoman

yup, and double-checked to be sure the radio button was cleared.  But the Change View button is still active (even after clearing the browser cache again- ran into that before with trying to change themes), and copy-paste still adds a bunch of crap unless I hit it before pasting.



And neither your nor Amber's setting are any different from mine, save for having originally had the editor checked, and setting new posts to appear at the top, for Amber.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Nowherewoman

After a bit of digging, I discovered one of my issues was actually reported back in 2012:

Quote from: mannik on November 25, 2012, 11:55:01 PM
Not sure if this has been raised before, or even if I'm the only person having such issues. But for some reason when I'm making a post or writing a pm and try to make edits like add a sentence or paragraph, or take them away before posting/submitting, occasionally the font size changes on me to something like size=78% or something, so half my post winds up being smaller than the rest. That is, if it doesn't just throw the size tags into the post itself.


[size=78%]Here's an example of what happens....I didn't manually type the size tags. I didn't even mess with the font size drop down. All I did was type the first part of this paragraph, then go back and delete the empty line between it and the above paragraph (a common [/size]occurrence[size=78%] when proof reading/making final edits before posting)...the size difference persists, even when I hit enter to drop it back down to where it belongs....[/size]

[size=78%]And continues to effect all text I write afterwards. The only way to fix this is to turn off wysiwyg mode and manually delete the tags. Needless to say this is very annoying, and I have no idea what is causing it.[/size]

[size=78%]In case it matters, the browser I use is Chrome.[/size]
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Al Terego

Hmmm... curiouser and curiouser.

Maybe the theme has something to do with it?
                    

Nowherewoman

Possibly, though I'm on the default template again.

Annnd now it's started inserting text when I hit 'reply' again.  So I have come to the conclusion that either 1)There's something screwy with this build of Chrome 2)the BBS code that El is running on is really really bad; or 3)some combination of these in varying proportions.

It was heartening to see that I'm not completely nuts, and someone else had similar issues at one time, though :D
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

Which button do you press when you reply?

And have you had the same trouble with the other themes?



Nowherewoman

Just 'reply'. It seems as if, somehow, some crap is being retained in a clipboard, but NOT the standard windows one, as that should be cleared on reboot. It's possible this particular issue has something to do with Ssie's extension scripts; I'll talk to her when I get a chance about it.

I haven't tried all the themes, but I have used 2 or 3. Same problem- though I have NOT tried changing them since I turned off the WYSIWYG button (in theory, at least, since it actually seems to do naught). Going to try that now.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

#16
I'd say change the themes under Look and Layout, and choose Elliquiy 2 in the option list then whatever theme you want to try.

Did you try ctrl-f5 for a forced refresh? Sometimes changes are made to the themes and if you don't do ctrl-f5, it still loads the page with the old theme if your computer has it cached.


Nowherewoman

OK, got the theme to stick. But I've just discovered that even using 'modify' will actually REPLACE the existing text with whatever fragment it has somehow stored.  Since this actually makes editing even LESS functional- WYSIWYG is going back on.

I do appreciate the attempts to help, folks- it seems my Mighty Vortex of Weird has me in its clutches again!
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

I noticed a few people had different fixes for the non-sticking theme problem (for most people resetting cookies and changing it under Look and Layout using Elliquiy 2 worked).

I noticed Rogue came up with this odd fix for the non-sticking theme problem:
https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=232597.msg11443564#msg11443564

Another approach people have used is bookmarking the page with the theme you want (on the Elliquiy main page for instance), then when you want to load it, just click the bookmark. I tend to do that just because it's handy.

As for the text editor problem, maybe Vekseid would see something in your settings that we can't.


Nowherewoman

Couldn't hurt.  ATM, I am as follows:


Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

AmberStarfire

I made that theme so hopefully it isn't the reason.  ::)

I would untick the boxes for leaving words uncensored and return to topics after posting by default, just in case there's some unintended action from those and it's causing the problems. Those things should happen by default anyway unticked (at least, I think they do). Also disable the WYSIWYG box.

Apart from that I don't really know.


Al Terego

Do you have any extensions installed for chrome?

Another thing I can think of is disabling Autofill:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142893?hl=en
                    

Nowherewoman

Quote from: AmberStarfire on January 04, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
I made that theme so hopefully it isn't the reason.  ::)

I would untick the boxes for leaving words uncensored and return to topics after posting by default, just in case there's some unintended action from those and it's causing the problems. Those things should happen by default anyway unticked (at least, I think they do). Also disable the WYSIWYG box.

Apart from that I don't really know.


As I said, if I disable teh WYSIWYG checkbox, I get even worse problems with posting. I haven't had a chance yet to tweak Ssieth's script settings, ot see if that's part of the issue, but that's on the to-do list for today or tomorrow.  I can certainly kill the others, see if that fixes anything.


Quote from: Al Terego on January 04, 2016, 11:59:20 AM


Adblock.  Hadn't thought about the autofill thing- I find it useful when I shop online, but that's a good thought!
Do you have any extensions installed for chrome?

Another thing I can think of is disabling Autofill:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142893?hl=en

Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Al Terego

Quote from: AmberStarfire on January 04, 2016, 11:24:13 AM
I would untick the boxes for leaving words uncensored and return to topics after posting by default, just in case there's some unintended action from those and it's causing the problems. Those things should happen by default anyway unticked (at least, I think they do). Also disable the WYSIWYG box.

I have those boxes ticked on all the discussion boards that I post on, with no problems whatsoever.
Censoring words has no place on adult forums.
                    

Nowherewoman

Turning off Autofill doesn't fix the problem with it inserting text using 'reply'. BUT- hitting the 'clear draft' button from Ssie's scripts and then reloading makes it go away. It does, in fact, seem to be an odd interaction with the script controlling drafts.  I'll see if I can kill that segment, and will talk to her about a bughunt later.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Al Terego

Quote from: Nowherewoman on January 04, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
I haven't had a chance yet to tweak Ssieth's script settings, ot see if that's part of the issue, but that's on the to-do list for today or tomorrow.

That would be the first thing I would suspect.  Sorry for missing it before.
Try disabling "drafts"
                    

Al Terego

Sorry, time-sensitive postings :)

Seems like the drafts are not aware of the WYSIWYG status of the edit box.
                    

Nowherewoman

Success!  Turning of auto-load draft in the script settings has killed that one issue, at least...


and, based on a quick test, at least, having WYSIWYG turned off also fixes the cut'n paste issues!  Woot!  Thanks guys. Time will tell if this is a full fix, but at least I'm far more functional now.
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Al Terego

                    

AmberStarfire

That's great to hear. :) Sorry for not thinking of the script.


Nowherewoman

Quote from: AmberStarfire on January 04, 2016, 12:22:39 PM
That's great to hear. :) Sorry for not thinking of the script.

It didn't occur to me, either, since it causes no issues so long as WYSWYG is turned on. For me, at least.

I've dropped the cabbit a PM, it may be something she can fix easily, being all genius an' stuff ;D
Instead of obsessing on the person you want to be, focus on who you DON'T want to be. It's much easier to not do certain things than to break your head on some ideal of yourself.

When the dust settles, you may find out you've become who you were supposed to be all along.

more me here now!  (O/Os, ideas and junk): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=215830.0

and mea culpas  (A/As): https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=221151.0

Lrrr

I know this thread is old, but I just changed over from Firefox to Chrome for various reasons and I'm running into the same issues originally reported by Nowherewoman.


I've turned off the check box for displaying the WYSIWYG editor by default with no joy forthcoming.  I must confess I haven't been able to find out where I access the script settings mentioned as part of the solution.


I have worked out a sequence of editing steps to arrive at the correct wording and formatting of the final post, but it involves a lot of extra work as mentioned by the OP including two save/modify iterations that temporarily display mangled versions of the post as I scramble to perform the necessary editing for each particular iteration in the fix.


Any help appreciated - especially if someone can tell me which, if any, scripts are automatically run by E.  I haven't explicitly installed anything, or at least I don't remember installing anything.


If I've been online here on E but I haven't replied to your post or message, there are several possible reasons - none of which involve ignoring you.  Be patient - I'm worth it.
ONs & OFFs Plus Other Goodies!    2018-01-16 Updated A/As

Vekseid

Could you give more detail as to what you do when you make your post?

I'm not having any issues with WYSIWIG off in Chrome...

Vekseid

You still ha the WYSIWIG enabled, turned it off for you. >_>

Lrrr

Hi Veks.

Yes, earlier today I turned off the WYSIWYG editor and tried some things, then turned it back on.  That's why it was on when you looked later on.

The issues show up before I click on Post.  In fact, they show up before I click on Preview which I usually do four or five times for editing before I actually Post.

Right now, the WYSIWYG editor is off as you left it.  One immediate problem is that I can't expand the editing window by clicking and dragging either the small horizontal line feature in the center of the lower border or the small parallel angled lines in the lower-right under the scroll bar (the standard window sizing controls).  From previous experience I do know that happens whenever I turn off the WYSIWYG editor, so there's a data point.

But amazingly, at least for me, the other problems are now gone although I would have sworn things were still acting up earlier this afternoon when I had the WYSIWYG editor turned off.

For now, I can live with the non-resizing editor window by writing in Notepad or whatever and pasting the results here.  Give me a day or two to thrash things around and see if going non-WYSIWYG solves the other problems.  I'll post again either way so you know where things stand.

Thanks again for the help!   :-)

If I've been online here on E but I haven't replied to your post or message, there are several possible reasons - none of which involve ignoring you.  Be patient - I'm worth it.
ONs & OFFs Plus Other Goodies!    2018-01-16 Updated A/As

NightLux

Quote from: Lrrr on August 29, 2017, 06:59:48 PM
Hi Veks.

Yes, earlier today I turned off the WYSIWYG editor and tried some things, then turned it back on.  That's why it was on when you looked later on.

The issues show up before I click on Post.  In fact, they show up before I click on Preview which I usually do four or five times for editing before I actually Post.

Right now, the WYSIWYG editor is off as you left it.  One immediate problem is that I can't expand the editing window by clicking and dragging either the small horizontal line feature in the center of the lower border or the small parallel angled lines in the lower-right under the scroll bar (the standard window sizing controls).  From previous experience I do know that happens whenever I turn off the WYSIWYG editor, so there's a data point.

But amazingly, at least for me, the other problems are now gone although I would have sworn things were still acting up earlier this afternoon when I had the WYSIWYG editor turned off.

For now, I can live with the non-resizing editor window by writing in Notepad or whatever and pasting the results here.  Give me a day or two to thrash things around and see if going non-WYSIWYG solves the other problems.  I'll post again either way so you know where things stand.

Thanks again for the help!   :-)

That's just... strange.  You mentioned earlier you switched to Chrome - maybe you got a bugged install?  Or maybe its not the latest?  Might also be a good idea to uninstall everything but IE, clean up all the leftovers (because its never really clean), check all your updates and then reinstall Chrome.  It could be you've got some conflicts going on too. 

When I get home I'll install Chrome on my Surface and see if I get any issues.  Its just... bizarre that you're having these problems.
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