Vampire the Masquerade Sabbat Game - Bloody Bastion [System]

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Esoterrorist

Welcome to the recruitment thread of Bloody Bastion. I am going to slowly build the world and hopefully quickly build the packs to allow you to join in them. This will not be an "all players in the same pack" game to make it more interesting in a PVP and intrigue style game. Also easier than trying to cram you all into the same threads all the time. HERE is the current "world" of Nashville by Night. Please post your character here however you see fit. I cannot code to save my life and haven't found a VtM code to copy here.


Character Creation

I will be using a bit of a different set up to this. There will be some restrictions, some leniencies, and some extras because I am such an anal retentive ST.


  • Time Dead: 11 Years max. You were most likely Embraced in the Week of the Threnody at that age. So earliest Embrace is July 4th 2007
  • Starting Generation: 13th (starting highest is 15th, starting lowest is 8th)
  • Attributes: 7/5/3
  • Abilities: 13/9/5
  • Disciplines: 6 (4 must be in clan, no Discipline can start higher than 3 before freebie points or higher than 4 after freebie points. Please use common sense for Out of Clan Disciplines)
  • Backgrounds: 5
  • Virtues: 5 (Conviction and Instinct start at 1 if chosen, not 0)
  • Freebies: 18
  • Max Flaws: 7 point cap
  • Banned Merit: Enchanting Voice
  • Banned Flaws: Child, Bound, Loathsome Regnant, and Probationary Sect Member

Vampire Ilk

The following list are the vampires that are okay to play and those that are not.

OK Vampires

  • Lasombra
  • Tzimisce
  • All Antitribu
  • Telyaveic Tremere
  • Daughters of Cacophony
  • Nagaraja
  • Salubri Antitribu - Note: Use the Dark Ages Weakness for warriors. Ask if you do not have this
  • Samedi

Maybe Vampires - Pitch me a concept before going ahead with character creation.

  • Ahrimane
  • Harbingers of Skulls
  • Kiasyd - Note: Use Dark Ages rules for these. Ask if you do not have this.
  • Old Clan Tzimisce

Not Allowed - Skrait up no, homez.
ALL OTHERS

Required Questions

1. What was your mortal life for/to you?

2. How were you Embraced into the Sabbat?

3. If you were a shovel head how did you survive the 2007 crusade? If you came later how did you entice your sire?

4. What fledgling or cannon fodder did you sacrifice for your well being? How did this go? Are they still around?

5. What pack(s) would you like to join?
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Florence

O/O: I was going to make a barebones F-list as a rough summary, but then it logged me out and I lost my progress, so I made a VERY barebones F-list instead: Here.

Peanuts

I love their flaw and the filed teeth asthetic, very fun :)
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Esoterrorist

I'll be adding more and fleshing out current packs later today. It is 5:30 AM here.
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Peanuts

Hmmm so I'm thinking either Country Gangrel, Salubri Antitribu, or Nagaraja... Will tackle it some more tomorrow.
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wander

I'm rewatching the Gentleman Gamer's Guide to Vampires on youtube to refresh myself on clans, though I am pretty much leaning heavily on a Tzimisce socialite type right now. :)

I'd love to have them all about that Vicissitude. I've been intrigued by the Tzimisce for some time and I am a large fan of body horror (early Cronenberg is one of mt fave film directors! ^^), so perfect time to play one methinks. :)

I'll be working on tweaking them together later tonight and tomorrow.

Peanuts

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wander

Will 'Lore of the Clans' be useable? There's some interesting Disciplines etc I like the look of.

For my main concept I was considering a dilletante, possibly old money. Though I do like the struggling artist archetype, embraced for their talent and now using flesh as their canvass. Perhaps combining both by having this poor young artist taken in by a benefactor, which happens to be a rich old Tzimisce. There would then be a disparity between the pauper of their mortal life to the princely visage they keep as a Kindred. I feel the character as a mortal would have been before the embrace around the age of 21, enough to be out of higher education/art school and finding their place, though yet to actually find it.

I feel the best concept in Lore of the Clans is that of The Weaver for my character. A Roma would be a fairly simple label to place on them for the chosen Clan, though I was thinking of playing a Japanese artist of the guro genre as a mortal.

Florence

I took one look at the pack list and I 100% love the Friends of Dorothy.

I'm a bit torn as to whether I wanna roll a Nagaraja or a Daughter of Cacophony though.

Hmmm, brings me to a question.

Do trans Daughters of Cacophony exist?

Like, they're female only, but would that include trans women, or is it strictly cisgender women?
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Esoterrorist

@Wander: Yes. Check the worldbuilding thread for stuff. It says what books are definitely useful.

@Florence: V20 went back to 2nd edition rules where the men were never purged from their ranks. To paraphrase Lore of the Bloodlines: "If a man has a problem being called a "Daughter of Cacophony" than perhaps they don't deserve the gift." Also the 3rd edition DoC character was a MtF transgender who was sired by a male. The Archbishop of Nashville was also sired by a male. So in short: He? She? Inbetween? JUST SING!
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wander

Niku is a Kindred physically 21 years old after being Embraced at that age by his Tzimisce Sire. A Japanese-American born in the summer of 1987, Niku manifested early an artist talent growing up. Due to nightmares and a need to understand the strange dreams he was plagued with, this art soon drifted towards guro and body-horror in his early teens. Niku was lucky enough to have his looks and a gift with words... What may have struck him as being an outsider actually marked him as cool and brooding. He was never really a lad to make friends though, so he usually kept a small circle around him and at arm's length, treating people mean to keep them keen.

It was around there that a particular scion of the Zantosa Revenant family began to take notice of the youth. It can't really be said if it was down to Zantosa that a spaight of deaths seemed to hit Niku's family and what involvement this had in swaying the youth in the direction needed... Either way, Niku was soon left in his teens surrounded by the taint of death and as if just when needed, a mysterious silent benefactor began to help. By his later highschool years and the struggle of the big bad world would take notice, Niku had the backing to be able to be sent to college, schooled in etiquette and academically both in biology and the history, along with the ways of old world aristocracy.

In those years he was adopted into the family all to easily, it was clear something was learned behind the scenes by the Roma Foundation by the peers he was brought into by his benefactor. Niku would have little want for anything, due to his youthful good looks and general skill with manipulation. His artistic talents, bolstered by the gained knowledge of body-sculpting and an ability to show biology beyond the ability of most doctors and scientists is what caught the eye of his actual Sire. It was however only after the 2007 shifts had occured that his Sire was able to reach him, in 2008 at the age of 21, Niku was invited to a Zantosa party.

A party of some celebratory abandon and come the dawn as body fluids coated every wall and ceiling, Niku had been Embraced. As usual Niku was able to take becoming one of Clan Tzimisce and gaining ability with Vicissitude all in his stride, brought into the fold Niku was more than able to teach the advances of more modern biology methodology to his elders. In his unlife Niku continues to be an artist of brilliance, though now rather than the sketchings of guro manga, his canvass has moved onto that of the actual flesh. It is through this and continued blog he updates online detailing the oddities of his continued nightmares along with his guro manga content that he gained a following in the alt crowd to set up a night shop for body sculpting.

Atop of that whilst he follows a Path of pain that is able to bring him satisfaction and his place in life, he acts courageously the part of Knight under his Lords, carrying even a tanto with a 10 to 10.5 inch blade on it like a traditional knight wielded a sword. Niku lives in a luxury studio apartment where he can continue his 'artistic experimentation in the macabre' where he generally has stable access to alt, goth and fetish models who define his herd. He is never really in want for those who wish for him to show the majesties of pain and bodysculpting on their flesh, both experienced and fresh. Whilst he holds the resources to take on a retainer, at current times he prefers to be more 'hands on' with his dealings.



Name: Niku 'aka Nick or even Nico' Zantosa

Concept: Artist Dilletante.

Clan: Tzimisce.

Nature: Sadist
(regain 1 point of willpower whenever you inflict pain on someone else for no reason but your own pleasure).

Demeanour: Celebrant (art/body sculpting).

Chosen Pack: Qui Vivra Verra.

Attributes;

Physical (3 dots)
Strength: 00xxx
Dexterity: 00xxx
Stamina: 00xxx

Social (5 dots)
Charisma: 00xxx
Manipulation: 000xx
Appearance: 000xx

Mental (7 dots)
Perception: 000xx
Intelligence: 0000x (Creative)
Wits: 000xx

Abilities.

Talents (5 + 2 from freebies);
Alertness 0xxxx
Athletics xxxxx
Awareness 0xxxx
Brawl xxxxx
Empathy 00xxx (2 freeby pts).
Expression 00xxx (2 freeby pts).
Intimidation xxxxx
Leadership xxxxx
Streetwise xxxxx
Subterfuge 0xxxx

Skills (13 + 1 from freebies);
Animal Ken xxxxx
Crafts 000xx
Drive xxxxx
Etiquette 000xx
Firearm xxxxx
Larceny xxxxx
Melee 0000x (specialisation: knives) (2 freeby pts)
Performance 0xxxx
Stealth 000xx
Survival xxxxx

Knowledge (9 + 5 from freebies);
Academics 00xxx (2 freeby pts)
Computer 00xxx (2 freeby pts)
Finance xxxxx
Investigation 0xxxx
Law 0xxxx
Medicine 0000x (specialisation: Bodysculpting) (2 freeby pts)
Occult 0xxx
Politics xxxxx
Science 000xx (specialisation: Biology) (4 freeby pts)
Technology xxxxx

Disciplines;
Vissicitude (in-clan) 000xx
Auspex (in-clan) 00xxx
Potence (out of clan) 0xxxx

Backgrounds; (5 Background + 5 freebies)
Allies 0xxxx (Good Lawyer)
Domain 0xxxx (studio apartment)
Fame 0xxxx (alternative art community)
Generation 000xx (10th Generation) (+3 freeby pts)
Herd 0xxxx (alt. body-mod models)
Resources 00xxx (+1 freeby pt)
Status 0xxxx (+1 freeby pt)

Path:
Path of Lilith: 5.

Virtues;
Conviction 000xx
Instincts 00xxx
Courage 000xx

Willpower: 5/10 (freebies spent; 2 dots)

Blood Pool: 13/13

Merits: Pain Tolerance (+2)

Flaws: Unblinking (-1), Nightmares (-1), Beacon of the Unholy (-2), Revenant Weakness (-3; Zantosa Family).


FREEBIES AVAILABLE: 18 (+5 flaws) = 23pts
-2 dots on willpower
-16 dots on abilities
-5 dots on backgrounds

Florence

I'll probably be doing a Daughter of Cacophony after some thought. As much as I love the nagaraja, my ideas for a DoC character are too strong to ignore.
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Peanuts

DoC it up! I'll be going ahead with a Salubri antitribu

Here she is! May be subject to change, but probably not :) Need to fill out her background a bit more, but she was a MMA fighter that caught the attention of a powerful Warrior Salubri who decided to embrace her and bring her into the Sabbat. Ever since she's taken her career more... underground after she developed a taste for the flesh of her opponents. If they fight particularly well she takes their heart to gain their strength! Otherwise she just takes an arm or leg or whatever suits her taste at the time.

Character Sheet - Julie Smith
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Drowdeviant

Anyone know what pack they’re joining?

I’m kind of thinking either the Rejects or Charnel. :3
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Peanuts

Haven't decided yet, no. Just edited a short character bio and sheet in the last post though :)
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Drowdeviant

Quote from: Peanuts on February 18, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
Haven't decided yet, no. Just edited a short character bio and sheet in the last post though :)

Well I might go rejects and snag the priesthood. Mordecai could use someone to help him keep the other murder kids in line. xD

Though sadly as a serpent of light I can’t have the cool ass corpse shrine that eventually lets you cause businesses to collapse Osiris’ing one of their spokespeople or execs. xD
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InoshimaLance

#16
Many new concepts for me, but I will see some YT vids to learn more, and I hope you accept me. I have some questions though:

1) So clans are like groups of vampires that share same goals (like a covenant) or are they like subdivisions of the vampire "sub-races" (I know is not like sub-races when we speak of Lasombra and Tzimisce but I seriously need to check all the info)?

2) Is there any kind of Vampire that specializes in growing extra limbs that are harder, sharper, stronger than actual flesh and can also be shaped by desire?

3) If anyone (GM better) would like to make recommendations and guide me through the process, I'll be more than happy. I would not mind shaping the concept as I am told to at least learn a bit.

Peanuts

Alright, having looked the clans over, I'm leaning towards Boss Bitches :)

@Inoshima
1. The thirteen clans are all descended from one of Caine's (yes the biblical Caine) vampiric grandchildren which are the antediluvians, as in they've been around since biblical times. The bloodlines are various different offshoots or other corruptions/bastardizations of the original 13 clans, and antitribu are factions of a clan that decided to not follow the main clan's direction/allegiances. Sub-races is the closest comparison, yeah.

Also vampires are split into 3-4 main factions Camarilla are the sneaky political 'lets keep the human cattle placid by pretending supernatural shit doesn't exist', they work behind human society, controlling the politicians and the big companies and generally trying to be bloated ticks. Sabbat are the opposite end of the spectrum, generally more violent and care-free, they know not to draw attention unnecessarily, but humans are vermin to feed on and if you even bother to pay attention to them, boss around and make serve us. Their main goal however is to prepare for the return of the antediluvians, who are basically gods and they believe are the biggest threat to modern vampires. Then there's the Anarchs and the Independants which I'm a little more fuzzy on their goals.

2. Tzimiche are the ones that do permanent body alterations, gangrel can grow wicked animal claws and turn into and talk/control animals, Lasombra can form shadows into solid tentacles... there's probably others I'm missing.

3. I can help you if Ferret/Eso is too busy. I'm by no means an expert, but have a fair experience with most of the big concepts.
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Esoterrorist

Inoshima 1. Peanuts summed it up pretty well here. Covenants came from the Sects of VtM (the Camarilla spawned the Invictus, the Anarchs spawned the Carthian Movement, and the Sabbat spawned the Ordo Dracul, Lancea Sanctum, and Circle of the Crone!).

2. The sects can be surface scratched that way. The Camarilla "pretend" to still be human, basically. They are the Anne Rice vampires and the Twilight vampires who are "sappy." The Camarilla standpoint is that the Antediluvians do not exist; they are faerie tales and Sabbat superstition. The Sabbat don't do the "boo hoo, I'm damned!" bit nearly as much and tend to see humans as we see animals: Food, pets, and servants. The Anarchs are somewhere in between, with some willing to do anything for freedom while most are so young they really still identify as human and the elders were often spawned during human revolutionary periods. The Independents vary dramatically.

3. Making extra limbs can be done by Tzimisce but the only Discipline that spontaneously allows you to grow extra limbs is Sanguinus by the Blood Brothers and you are technically borrowing the limbs from another Blood Brother - and most Blood Brothers are very..."limited" lets say. Though the 4th level of Vicissitude does let you craft a custom "war" form.
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Orange Marmalade

This has my attention - may revive a Lasombra I've been itching to play.

Florence

Quote from: Drowdeviant on February 18, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
Anyone know what pack they’re joining?

I’m kind of thinking either the Rejects or Charnel. :3

As I've already indicated, my character will most likely be intended for the Friends of Dorothy.

I'm thinking a trans, non-binary (they/them) Daughter of Cacophony. I'm still ironing out their personality and such, but I've got an image in my head.

As a Daughter of Cacophony, though, I figured music would be good to inspire the character, and I think is sort of their 'themesong'.


Really, I've been kind of listening to Florence + the Machine's entire discography while working on them.


That one, I think, is a bit on the nose for a Daughter of Cacophony... but I'm still listening to it because I love it, lol.
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wander

Jus' saying... I'm making a Tzimisce myself. On that, onto editing in skills and doing more towards my character's sheet! I'll have some justifications for certain dots I expect explained in future posts here in this thread as I go along the process. :)

As more artistically inclined, I feel like going Mental for their attributes given the descriptions made most sense. I doubt I'll throw any freebies into these, instead putting more in where their Abilities land up. I think things will come together more as I sort out their Disciplines.

EDIT: Have decided to go with Potence as an out-of-clan Discipline, whilst others may have been more fitting to concept, I saw 'Flaying Touch' as a Combination Discipline and fell in love with the chance to get that later! ^^ Part of the 'dilletante' feel of my character in their Abilities was I bought Melee at a fairly high level, to represent them being taught the very noble art of fencing/sword fighting, with PvP being a thing, Protean + Sword is a fairly nice combat mechanic as the character being an artist, I couldn't justify a regular high strength attribute.

Also need to remind myself to add in some freeby dots later to Empathy, for the Aura Perception ability. In the original set-up of concept I went for a more sociopathic viewpoint (so skimped on empathy entirely), though Auspex is very much the 'artist's perception' discipline and makes perfect sense to have and be good at using.

Lockepick

I'm thinking of going a Tremere Antitribu -- a hacker that wants to create more free exchanges of magical knowledge, with the idea that it's a gift for all vampires, and Thaumaturgy has grown and evolved once it's given to other groups/clans. I'm leaning towards Anteblleum Rejects right now.
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InoshimaLance

Thanks for the answers guys. I have been investigating in the 20th edition book and I want to ask some stuff about these final questions:

Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 18, 2018, 04:23:59 AM
1. What was your mortal life for/to you?

2. How were you Embraced into the Sabbat?

3. If you were a shovel head how did you survive the 2007 crusade? If you came later how did you entice your sire?

4. What fledgling or cannon fodder did you sacrifice for your well being? How did this go? Are they still around?

5. What pack(s) would you like to join?

First off, what is a shovel head and what is the crusade of 2007? Why would I need to entice my sire if I came after? Is normal for the Sabbat to use cannon fodder, for what? As I belive by what you guys say, there is a set list of packs I can join? Is it in the Core Book? Would we join all the same pack or be of different ones? Thank you.

Drowdeviant

#24
Quote from: InoshimaLance on February 19, 2018, 09:58:42 AM
Thanks for the answers guys. I have been investigating in the 20th edition book and I want to ask some stuff about these final questions:

First off, what is a shovel head and what is the crusade of 2007? Why would I need to entice my sire if I came after? Is normal for the Sabbat to use cannon fodder, for what? As I belive by what you guys say, there is a set list of packs I can join? Is it in the Core Book? Would we join all the same pack or be of different ones? Thank you.

*cracks knuckles*

Ok shovelheads refers to a controversial practice usually utilized by the Sabbat now in war time. the process being that you're turned using the least amount of blood possible, bashed over the head with a shovel and buried in a mass grave and made to dig your way out to prove you had the possible potential of becoming a full member of the sect.

Normally you would need to convince a prospective sire to want to turn you. What makes you so special that they should give you the blood kiss and make you one of their Childer? Basically what did they see in you that persuaded them to make you one of their childer?

It is normal for Sabbat to use cannon fodder, though lately they only use it during war time. Basically it's used to raised on big fucking expendable armies to fight in the Sabbat's wars (after all they see human life as worth very little).

The pack list and setting info linked to in Eso's first post on this thread Ino, look for the bolded word in blue. :3



Though the 2007 crusade has me stumped just as much as it has you. :P
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Lockepick

To add onto Drowdeviant's responses...

- In regards to your Sire: You don't necessarily need to convince them. Not all Embraces are consensual. Still, they theoretically had SOME reason to embrace you, even if it was "you were a random guy they wanted to use a distraction/shock troop". Nothing says all distractions/shock troops die!

The 2007 Crusade is in the Nashville by Night page (linked in the first post) -- it's a historical event specific to this game/setting.
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Drowdeviant

Quote from: Lockepick on February 19, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
To add onto Drowdeviant's responses...

- In regards to your Sire: You don't necessarily need to convince them. Not all Embraces are consensual. Still, they theoretically had SOME reason to embrace you, even if it was "you were a random guy they wanted to use a distraction/shock troop". Nothing says all distractions/shock troops die!

The 2007 Crusade is in the Nashville by Night page (linked in the first post) -- it's a historical event specific to this game/setting.


Oh xD. Yeah being a shovelhead typically entails not having a long life expectancy. xD
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wander

I think I'm gonna be spending freebies to bump those Backgrounds and get a few more in. Those five points got the basics I wanted though at least.

I'm actually reading through the old Tzimisce Clanbook: Revised edition, to ponder what Path to take my character right now. The V20 corebook has many options of different Paths, I didn't find Lore of the Clans to helpful to decide which one would suit however. The Tzimisce Clanbook has some great info on the Paths. Metamorphosis is the most obvious one, though the Clanbook gives some interesting other options too.

Drowdeviant

Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 11:24:19 AM
I think I'm gonna be spending freebies to bump those Backgrounds and get a few more in. Those five points got the basics I wanted though at least.

I'm actually reading through the old Tzimisce Clanbook: Revised edition, to ponder what Path to take my character right now. The V20 corebook has many options of different Paths, I didn't find Lore of the Clans to helpful to decide which one would suit however. The Tzimisce Clanbook has some great info on the Paths. Metamorphosis is the most obvious one, though the Clanbook gives some interesting other options too.

Well I'm becoming a pack priest/ess with my gal. Likely will be leading a small kinky sex cult as her herd. xD

Any idea what pack you would be joining wonder.
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Florence

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1499053

Throwing this up here for now, full disclosure, subject to change yadda yadda, maybe contain goofs or mistakes.

If anyone spots an error lemme know.

I'll go over it again after I've slept, fix any mistakes and finish it up.

In the meantime, take this as a WIP.

Backgrounds in particular might be switched up a little, though they also might not. I'll mull it over again when my brain's at full power.
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Lockepick

How does Selinic Sorcery work exactly in this setting? Is it one umbrella that blurs the lines between Selinic Sorcery, Thaumaturgy, and Koldunic Sorcery? Or does it simply mean the Telyavelic has access to the three different disciplines?

eg: If I take Thaumaturgy (Path of Technomancy) -- can I only take rituals from standard Thaumaturgy? Or could I take a Koldunic Ritual? Do I gain Krainas -- or is that only if I actually take a Koldunic path?
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wander

Quote from: Drowdeviant on February 19, 2018, 11:37:28 AM
Well I'm becoming a pack priest/ess with my gal. Likely will be leading a small kinky sex cult as her herd. xD

Any idea what pack you would be joining wonder.

Edited in the Pack I chose earlier, it's the sexy Eurotrash pack (Qui Vivra Verra).
I'm also part Swiss and was making a joke about an old programme that used to be on Channel 4 here in the UK before anyone gets super roiled I said 'Eurotrash'. Twice. ;)

Last night I was tired and couldn't really see any that fit, today when I woke up I reread them all, did some research and went with who I went with. ^^

I don't see my character as religious really at all. They're an artist and sculptor of the flesh mainly. As soon as I factor in their Path of Enlightenment, that should also set in their Nature and Demeanour. I have a basic thought of how I'd play them, though we'll see what choices fit that thought and may potentially affect that as I continue on.

Pockets

Hey Esoterrorist, are Meta-Disciplines going to be allowed in this? I'm asking because I've got a character in mind, but the concept really uses a meta-discipline to give him the full flare that I want.

Also, do you consider all forms of blood sorcery to be Thaumaturgy or is each style it's own form of blood magic independent from each other. Like Dur'an'ki is different from Sadhana.
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Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
Edited in the Pack I chose earlier, it's the sexy Eurotrash pack (Qui Vivra Verra).
I'm also part Swiss and was making a joke about an old programme that used to be on Channel 4 here in the UK before anyone gets super roiled I said 'Eurotrash'. Twice. ;)

Last night I was tired and couldn't really see any that fit, today when I woke up I reread them all, did some research and went with who I went with. ^^

I don't see my character as religious really at all. They're an artist and sculptor of the flesh mainly. As soon as I factor in their Path of Enlightenment, that should also set in their Nature and Demeanour. I have a basic thought of how I'd play them, though we'll see what choices fit that thought and may potentially affect that as I continue on.

.... :D

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I'm taking the priest spot there. Gonna be playing a seductive serpent of light who has the lure of flame path for Thaumaturgy (hey our Ductus is a Tremere, she could've taught her that shit xD). I'll likely get Wanga a little later. :3

Or I might go for the Antebellum rejects cause Sir Mordecai seems like a fun guy. :3
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Also, another question for the GM -- should we be posting our sheets here? Since there is SOME PvP component, I thought I'd ask.
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Wow, lots of questions. Yay!

Wander - Pack of Metamorphosis is insanely rare in the Sabbat. It doesn't play well with others and typically is done by solitary Tzimisce. It can be done but isn't recommended.

Inoshima - Read the world thread, please.

Lockepick - I don't think I've heard of Selinic Sorcery. Where did you see this name? Looked it up, it's the jargon for Telyavelic practices and Sielanic. I know the Telyavelic Tremere practice pagan Thaumaturgy and they wouldn't have Technomancy in that practice. The only Tremere that have Technomancy available to them are the Camarilla Tremere and the Anarchs who've split from them. The Sabbat does not practice or have widespread access to Technomancy. The House Goratrix and House Chernobog have different styles and a few different paths but don't think just because it was printed in a book it's out there. Telyavelic Thaumaturgy is NOT Koldunic Sorcery and I refuse to use "Krainas" over the old system because I think the Kraina system is shit. And yes, all sheets will be visible to every player - I believe in transparency in these things.

Pockets - Every path of Blood Magic is separate in some way. Just because there is a Path of Technomancy or Curses doesn't mean everyone would have access to it. I also have never heard of meta-disciplines, do you mean combination disciplines? Or is that the rule for optional low level powers?

Drowdeviant - I specifically asked for discretion for Out of Clan Disciplines. WHY would a Tremere teach you Thaumaturgy when Thaumaturgy is their only trump card? If Thaumaturgy becomes well known then they can finally be killed by the Tzimisce, Salubri antitribu, and others who hate them.
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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
Drowdeviant - I specifically asked for discretion for Out of Clan Disciplines. WHY would a Tremere teach you Thaumaturgy when Thaumaturgy is their only trump card? If Thaumaturgy becomes well known then they can finally be killed by the Tzimisce, Salubri antitribu, and others who hate them.

Ok then. 0-0

Could I take Obtenebration, Protean or Vicissitude then?

Otherwise I might be taking Fortitude. :P
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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
Lockepick - I don't think I've heard of Selinic Sorcery. Where did you see this name? Looked it up, it's the jargon for Telyavelic practices and Sielanic. I know the Telyavelic Tremere practice pagan Thaumaturgy and they wouldn't have Technomancy in that practice. The only Tremere that have Technomancy available to them are the Camarilla Tremere and the Anarchs who've split from them. The Sabbat does not practice or have widespread access to Technomancy. The House Goratrix and House Chernobog have different styles and a few different paths but don't think just because it was printed in a book it's out there. Telyavelic Thaumaturgy is NOT Koldunic Sorcery and I refuse to use "Krainas" over the old system because I think the Kraina system is shit. And yes, all sheets will be visible to every player - I believe in transparency in these things.

I actually wasn't intending to take Technomancy to start, but it is on my list of future paths. I thought Telyavelic, based on my research, had access to all Tremere Thaumaturgy. If you're blocking certain paths, is there anywhere I could see a list of what is/isn't allowed? That will likely make me determine whether or not I'm an Antritribu or Telyavelic.

And just to confirm, you're saying Telyavelic don't have access to Koldunic Sorcery in this game?
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I'd probably look to Disciplines that multiple Clans can take rather than the unique ones.

Okay, I went with Path of Honorable Accord after.
Seemed to fit where the character sheet is going, slowly turning into a bit of a Knight. A little bit against concept, though otherwise I was looking at Path of Lilith as the one that fit and I didn't see my character lasting long if they went with that... ^^; (HERETIC!!)

Nature and Demeanour filled in. I actually went with something that fit the concept again after I went a bit shakey come their Path! ^^;; I also forgot before spending freebies that abilities max at 3, so I'm gonna edit them for when I do spend the rest of the freebies assigned (I spent two for Willpower already to keep the character legal).

Drowdeviant

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Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
I'd probably look to Disciplines that multiple Clans can take rather than the unique ones.

Okay, I went with Path of Honorable Accord after.
Seemed to fit where the character sheet is going, slowly turning into a bit of a Knight. A little bit against concept, though otherwise I was looking at Path of Lilith as the one that fit and I didn't see my character lasting long if they went with that... ^^; (HERETIC!!)

Onto Nature and Demeanour then, maybe now I'll have more a feel for what fits my character well.

...So Potence and Fortitude it is. :P
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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
Pockets - Every path of Blood Magic is separate in some way. Just because there is a Path of Technomancy or Curses doesn't mean everyone would have access to it. I also have never heard of meta-disciplines, do you mean combination disciplines? Or is that the rule for optional low level powers?

Alright, and yeah. I'm talking about Combination Disciplines. But combination disciplines range in power from ones that only require a point in two separate disciplines to some monstrous ones with painful XP costs.
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Lockepick: Tremere, no matter what the lineage, have never had access to Koldunic Sorcery because of Thaumaturgy. That's like saying "Vicissitude allows me to change shapes so can I have the level 5 power of Protean instead of Vicissitude?" I may make a list but no, just because it is printed in the book does not mean every Tremere can learn it. Thaumaturgy is a weird beast and requires plenty of research and training in it - having it as a Clan Discipline just means it is easier to learn not that you can just spontaneously learn a Path of it or a ritual.

Drowdeviant: What Wander said. Single Clan Disciplines are very highly guarded and generally aren't taught to outsiders. The Caitiff/Pander ability to spontaneously show Disciplines is one of the reasons they are reviled.

Wander: As stated in the worldbuilding thread and through V20 'meta' the paths of Harmony and Lilith are not heretical in the Sabbat anymore. Though the variant path of Lilith where you try to fuck demons would be very heretical. Also: you cannot start the game with a 4 in an Ability without spending freebies. I believe your Melee was 4 before this.

Pockets: Yes, combination Disciplines are allowed as long as they have been reproduced in V20 rules or might be if you run the revised edition one by me and I approve. They cost 1/2 the xp cost, rounded down, in freebies if you can buy them that way.

@All: Please do what Wander has done and show what you've done on your post and not a myth-weavers sheet. Also definitely list how you spent your freebies please.
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wander

Yep, I edited down Melee when I realised what I did. Took that extra dot and added it as a third dot in Stealth instead.

I'm gonna do Merits and Flaws next.

Agh... I maaaay change to Path of Lilith in that case as it fits my concept way more. I'll sort out Merits and Flaws first though and think on it some.

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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
Lockepick: Tremere, no matter what the lineage, have never had access to Koldunic Sorcery because of Thaumaturgy. That's like saying "Vicissitude allows me to change shapes so can I have the level 5 power of Protean instead of Vicissitude?" I may make a list but no, just because it is printed in the book does not mean every Tremere can learn it. Thaumaturgy is a weird beast and requires plenty of research and training in it - having it as a Clan Discipline just means it is easier to learn not that you can just spontaneously learn a Path of it or a ritual.

Drowdeviant: What Wander said. Single Clan Disciplines are very highly guarded and generally aren't taught to outsiders. The Caitiff/Pander ability to spontaneously show Disciplines is one of the reasons they are reviled.

Wander: As stated in the worldbuilding thread and through V20 'meta' the paths of Harmony and Lilith are not heretical in the Sabbat anymore. Though the variant path of Lilith where you try to fuck demons would be very heretical. Also: you cannot start the game with a 4 in an Ability without spending freebies. I believe your Melee was 4 before this.

Pockets: Yes, combination Disciplines are allowed as long as they have been reproduced in V20 rules or might be if you run the revised edition one by me and I approve. They cost 1/2 the xp cost, rounded down, in freebies if you can buy them that way.

@All: Please do what Wander has done and show what you've done on your post and not a myth-weavers sheet. Also definitely list how you spent your freebies please.

Ok here is where I'm at currently

Character: Sister Isabella Snow
Concept: Sin Eater
Nature: Trickster
Demeanor: Guru
Sire: Unknown
Morality: Path of Caine
Clan: Catiff/Pander
Pack: The Antebellum Rejects or Qui Vivra Verra
Generation: 9th
Pack Hierarchy - Priest

Attributes

Strength: 2
Dexterity: 2
Stamina: 2

Charisma: 3
Appearance: 3
Manipulation: 4

Intelligence: 2
Perception: 2
Wits: 3

Abilities

Talents
Awareness: 2
Athletics: 2
Empathy: 2
Brawl: 3
Streetwise: 2
Subterfuge: 2

Skills
Performance: 3
Melee: 3
Firearms: 3

Knowledge
Occult: 3
Medicine: 2

Advantages

Disciplines
Seprentis: 2
Potence: 1
Fortitude: 1
Protean: 1
Vicissitude: 1

Backgrounds
Domain: 2
Generation: 4 (1 freebie point spent)
Rituals: 4 (4 Freebie points spent)
Status: 1 (1 freebie point spent)
Herd: 2 (2 freebie points spent)
Relics: 3 (3 freebie points spent)

Virtues
Conviction: 2
Instinct: 3
Courage: 3

Path Rating (Path of Caine): 5

Willpower: 5 (2 freebie points spent)

Merits:
Hidden Diablerie (3 points)
Personal Masquerade (3 points)
Sanctity (2 points)
Concentration (1 point)
Common Sense (1 point)
Multi-Lingual: (2 points)
Flaws:
Clan Weakness- Lamia (2 points)
Clan Enmity- Followers of Set (4 points)
Nightmares (1 point)
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Okay, changed my Path to Path of Lilith now, as it fit my concept more. Was tough picking Merits and Flaws. Flaws are more or less finalised, Merits less so. I suppose partly where I'd want freebies to fall more easily shall decide what points go to Merits now.

I also need now to ponder what Revenant Family weakness my character will have now. I'm probably gonna be spending most my time now tweaking around for the freebies. The character is mostly done though, phew.  :-)

RubySlippers

Are Caitiff allowed, not Pander she will have been random embraced by some dick thin blooded piece of shit seeing it he could do it and then dumped her and if she wasn't 15th generation she might have died and all her disciplines will be inspired by movies and fiction books since she has no other resources. Then some Sabbats dragged her off to initiate for shits and giggles and shocked she survived.

Likely disciplines and remember these would be of the no one told me I couldn't do this so well if they did it in movies and books it must be legit - Flight (lost boys, salems lot, forever knight) would be her odd ball one and it hurt jumping off roofs to learn to do it. Fortitude since hell everyone saw movies right they are tough. Dominate or Presence (vamps command minds and are sexy). Obfuscate (fright night vamps can be unseen by mortals right). Potence (vamps are super strong). And I could make up one hell its the super power of a Caitiff and stick a dot in it maybe Sparkle Skin (twilight vamps -> but you and the sabbat might rip her apart for that one). Or maybe some discipline inspired by Buffy like Vamp Out! adding small dice pool bonuses as it gets better. I have lots of ideas from folk lore and Supernatural the TV series.

Likely a bunch of minor power level disciplines.

Peanuts

Wow this blew up! hehehe, will transcribe my sheet to text later on, really need to write up my sheet for a different game I've been procrastinating :p
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Quote from: RubySlippers on February 19, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Are Caitiff allowed, not Pander she will have been random embraced by some dick thin blooded piece of shit seeing it he could do it and then dumped her and if she wasn't 15th generation she might have died and all her disciplines will be inspired by movies and fiction books since she has no other resources. Then some Sabbats dragged her off to initiate for shits and giggles and shocked she survived.

Likely disciplines and remember these would be of the no one told me I couldn't do this so well if they did it in movies and books it must be legit - Flight (lost boys, salems lot, forever knight) would be her odd ball one and it hurt jumping off roofs to learn to do it. Fortitude since hell everyone saw movies right they are tough. Dominate or Presence (vamps command minds and are sexy). Obfuscate (fright night vamps can be unseen by mortals right). Potence (vamps are super strong). And I could make up one hell its the super power of a Caitiff and stick a dot in it maybe Sparkle Skin (twilight vamps -> but you and the sabbat might rip her apart for that one). Or maybe some discipline inspired by Buffy like Vamp Out! adding small dice pool bonuses as it gets better. I have lots of ideas from folk lore and Supernatural the TV series.

Likely a bunch of minor power level disciplines.

Ruby you have to be responsible with your disciplines like Eso wants. Catiffs are expressly prohibited as part of "all the others" referenced in his allowed clans/bloodlines in the first post on the thread. :P
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Caitiff are allowed but in the Sabbat they ARE called Panders, period. You could have a 15th gen Pander which is the exact same thing as a Caitiff just named differently. The only downside is that Flight can only be learned by those with wings such as Gargoyles or some (un?)lucky Gangrel.
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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
Caitiff are allowed but in the Sabbat they ARE called Panders, period. You could have a 15th gen Pander which is the exact same thing as a Caitiff just named differently. The only downside is that Flight can only be learned by those with wings such as Gargoyles or some (un?)lucky Gangrel.

...*looks into a Pander then* xD
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Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 19, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
Lockepick: Tremere, no matter what the lineage, have never had access to Koldunic Sorcery because of Thaumaturgy. That's like saying "Vicissitude allows me to change shapes so can I have the level 5 power of Protean instead of Vicissitude?" I may make a list but no, just because it is printed in the book does not mean every Tremere can learn it. Thaumaturgy is a weird beast and requires plenty of research and training in it - having it as a Clan Discipline just means it is easier to learn not that you can just spontaneously learn a Path of it or a ritual.

You're coming off as a little condescending here. My mistake is that I first tried to find out what the Telavalic Tremere were through searching, and that took me to this write up which states that a Telavalic Tremere can learn Koldunic Sorcery. I realize now that this content isn't V20, but a mistake in editions like that hardly warrants your response. I just want to it clear I wasn't making wild assumptions such as assuming one discipline randomly gives me another.

I'm going to withdraw my interest. Plenty of GMs out there who can talk to me with respect.
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I'm sorry if that came off as condescending. I was just trying to clarify with an example. I didn't know how you had confused things and I was trying to be very clear. I have been dealing with a few deaths and depression lately so I might be rougher around the edges than normal. If anyone else feels this way I am sorry. I will say I am a strict ST within regards to what I want to see and what I don't want to see and can be pretty anal about things.

Anyway, again; I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent.
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wander

Meanwhile, I can see Drow's need to play the special unique snowflake growing again...  ;D

Okay in all seriousness about my own Tzimisce, I figured I'd have my character's background fluff-wise would fit the Zantosa. So that's that done. Now gonna figure where freebies will go and what Merits I'm sticking to. Character should pretty much be done then when I edit all them changes in, I think. :)

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Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 05:08:06 PM
Meanwhile, I can see Drow's need to play the special unique snowflake growing again...  ;D

Okay in all seriousness about my own Tzimisce, I figured I'd have my character's background fluff-wise would fit the Zantosa. So that's that done. Now gonna figure where freebies will go and what Merits I'm sticking to. Character should pretty much be done then when I edit all them changes in, I think. :)

...Wander stop please. I just like some disciplines more than others. xD

Plus playing a shovelhead kind of makes it more believable, lots of blood gets used. No one ever said it's only from one clan. xD
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I'm being leg-pullish, my own Tzimisce is drifting close to Marty Stu territory.

I'm looking through the LARP books, as they give actual dot examples of actual usages of Allies and Contacts, helping me figure what I'm going to go for on that side of things. Backgrounds are nice and cheap, though spoiled for choice admittedly. Many of them fit my concept, though only so many freebies to boost them...

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Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 05:42:18 PM
I'm being leg-pullish, my own Tzimisce is drifting close to Marty Stu territory.

I'm looking through the LARP books, as they give actual dot examples of actual usages of Allies and Contacts, helping me figure what I'm going to go for on that side of things. Backgrounds are nice and cheap, though spoiled for choice admittedly. Many of them fit my concept, though only so many freebies to boost them...

... Would he by chance need someone who won't be as easily horrified of his flesh sculpting? Izzy has a nize cozy confessional where he can confess his sins and have someone not call him a monster. xD
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Ha!

He feels no shame for his actions! His art is a thing of beauty and now he the canvass of the flesh to ply it on!  :D

Of course if anyone wishes for some... body modification beyond piercing and tattooes, he'd be very eager to hear out your wishes.  :-)

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Quote from: wander on February 19, 2018, 05:49:39 PM
Ha!

He feels no shame for his actions! His art is a thing of beauty and now he the canvass of the flesh to ply it on!  :D

Of course if anyone wishes for some... body modification beyond piercing and tattooes, he'd be very eager to hear out your wishes.  :-)

Depends on what sort of modifications he's offering. She might not want the horrifying things...but if he was looking to make her even more alluring who is she to refuse him the practice of using his powers for a good cause (after all she can always reset her body afterwards xD) ;)
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Well if she can just get rid of the mods, where's the fun in that?  :D

I've nearly completed the sheet. Went with Pain Tolerance for a Merit after. It made the most honest sense out of the all the stuff there to have. Just need to sort out the freebies in my character's Abilities and Backgrounds still (it's all WIP and just random thoughts splattered over there now) and then I can sort out the Bio for them.

RubySlippers

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Well Caitiff or Pander like she would know the difference.

Question I noticed archaic and dead languages have a higher cost would that exclude those one can still learn for example Classical Greek, Biblical Hebrew and Latin all are taught the last even in High School especially if religious ones and the rest are common for those with theology degrees of various kinds.

Esoterrorist

To me a dead or exclusive language is more like an American Highschooler knowing Sanskrit or a 30 year old vampire being fluent in Enochian. Less so those still taught and available.
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wander

And there's me worrying about my character being a former Revenant, due to their one Flaw from Lore of Clans.

I learned that Revenants being basically natural-born ghouls their entire lives through eugenics thanks to the Tzimisce essentially do age though at a quarter of the pace.
So, when a Revenant reaches say outwardly (and probably mentally, most Revenant Clans due to their strange aspect of slow aging are likely home-taught) 18 years old, they've got an actual age of 72. I figured my own character would be physically and mentally 21 before they took the Embrace, so they'd have been around for 84 years before now and so born circa 1923 and reaching an adult understanding of the world by late '80s, early 90s.

Unless the GM calls shenanigans on all that and I'll of course change the Flaw.

Esoterrorist

The great thing about Revenant Disciplines and Flaws is that they can be transferred from sire to childe. You could easily have had a sire with Zantosa heritage in them and just gotten very unlucky instead of being an actual revenant.
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wander

Ah, didn't know that... Cool cool. :)

I'm nearly done, just got Backgrounds left. I was gonna look through the Player's Guide and see if any Titles seemed fun or if I'd do vanilla Status. I'm sorta worried I'm gonna be lacking on Generation though, Drow got basically an Ancillae happening and I see my own Tzimisce being 12th Gen.

RubySlippers

Quote from: Esoterrorist on February 20, 2018, 02:29:08 PM
To me a dead or exclusive language is more like an American Highschooler knowing Sanskrit or a 30 year old vampire being fluent in Enochian. Less so those still taught and available.

LOL  No I'm thinking Latin as one language picked up in Catholic High School but wanted to check.

wander

Righto, finally character sheet is done!

I need to sort out the Bio now...

I think I can justify each dot my character has at least though. I even have thoughts on potential Sires too. I'll throw up a basic simple bio tomorrow and then I shall clarify to GM whatever may need to be added to it. I have a strong idea in my head of who the character is, though I've never been too strong at getting down bios.

Drowdeviant

Quote from: wander on February 20, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
Righto, finally character sheet is done!

I need to sort out the Bio now...

I think I can justify each dot my character has at least though. I even have thoughts on potential Sires too. I'll throw up a basic simple bio tomorrow and then I shall clarify to GM whatever may need to be added to it. I have a strong idea in my head of who the character is, though I've never been too strong at getting down bios.

Cool. Still trying to pin to what pack to join. :3
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What's your character's personality? What seems like the best fit and why? The Packs all seem fairly... extreme in their own ways and to different levels. What's your character concept? Why did you pick what you did?

Those answered should direct you more.

Drowdeviant

Quote from: wander on February 20, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
What's your character's personality? What seems like the best fit and why? The Packs all seem fairly... extreme in their own ways and to different levels. What's your character concept? Why did you pick what you did?

Those answered should direct you more.

Well currently I'm not the fence between the spoopy Europeans and the Antebellum rejects (Sir Mordecai just speaks to me for some reason).

Was intially thinking Miss Archbishop's pack, but possibly getting to make her fall from her high horse and her place of power is almost too much an interesting temptation to pass up. xD
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Questions for fun mostly: What if an Embrace happens when you receive blood from two different Vampires (with different Disciplines or even Clans). Would the victim have the skill to have skills inherited from both? Or does one blood takes domain over the other?

Are Panders/Caitiffs only outcasts cause they know not of their sire, could they still develop Obtenebartion being sired by a Lasombra? Or do they loose those rights too? Meaning they also don't inherit clan-centered disciplines?

Ok, my concept is an easy-going guy in the surface, very friendly and kinda helpful, wanting to enjoy his newfound inmortality. On reality, he has two sides, that same happy-guy side, and also a somewhat Monster/Sadist nature that he keeps in check cause he understands the meanings of bloodshed, yet when he can let it out, he is happy to see others suffering a lot, specially his enemies/targets. I am trying to fit this into the Lasombra's Backgrounds or maybe an Antitribu Giovanni, cause the sires on both are kind of closed up in what they embrace. So I need to work a good reason, right?

Do Shovelheads receive lesser abilities or some sort of permanent damage to them?

Could a Vampy in the Sabbat request his own personal Blood Brother's Squad? Sounds like a nice fun-time exploit I wanna try out, x3. Maybe make 3 blood brothers have a 2nd level blood bond with a character?

Drowdeviant

Quote from: InoshimaLance on February 20, 2018, 11:27:49 PM
Questions for fun mostly: What if an Embrace happens when you receive blood from two different Vampires (with different Disciplines or even Clans). Would the victim have the skill to have skills inherited from both? Or does one blood takes domain over the other?

Are Panders/Caitiffs only outcasts cause they know not of their sire, could they still develop Obtenebartion being sired by a Lasombra? Or do they loose those rights too? Meaning they also don't inherit clan-centered disciplines?

Ok, my concept is an easy-going guy in the surface, very friendly and kinda helpful, wanting to enjoy his newfound inmortality. On reality, he has two sides, that same happy-guy side, and also a somewhat Monster/Sadist nature that he keeps in check cause he understands the meanings of bloodshed, yet when he can let it out, he is happy to see others suffering a lot, specially his enemies/targets. I am trying to fit this into the Lasombra's Backgrounds or maybe an Antitribu Giovanni, cause the sires on both are kind of closed up in what they embrace. So I need to work a good reason, right?

Do Shovelheads receive lesser abilities or some sort of permanent damage to them?

Could a Vampy in the Sabbat request his own personal Blood Brother's Squad? Sounds like a nice fun-time exploit I wanna try out, x3. Maybe make 3 blood brothers have a 2nd level blood bond with a character?

I think Catiffs are what occur from what you're describing Ino. Basically Panders/Catiffs are considered clanless because they don't know or were abandoned by their sire. Usually they're the result of the shovelhead method though with blood donors from multiple clans so the blood a neonate gets is pretty muddied. xD

Catiffs can have any discipline Ino. Being clanless means you don't know what sort of powers you got from your embrace (hence why my gal has the trump disciplines of three whole clans alone).

Now the BIG problem with playing Catiff/Pander is you can't let other kindred find out you're clanless otherwise you're likely gonna be killed on the spot. You're both feared, reviled and persecuted because you plain don't fit into the puzzle of kindred society like one of a clan does. Aka welcome to the hideous unwanted abomination club. :3

Ok here's the problem with your concept. He can still try to act human for the most part (though those in the Sabbat think that is heretical because the sect's big motto is basically "Humans are tasty cattle and we are the master race that must rule over them").

He can be a nice guy mind you, its' just having him having such a split personality...is problematic. What you have to decide really is whether he's truly a nice guy deep down or whether he merely pretends to be to conceal his more sadistic side. What you define as your guy's "real personality" is basically how you keep him from frenzying and almost certainly doing something that will see him put down for being a liability to local kindred community at large.

Remember when you frenzy you almost entirely lose control of what he does until he comes out of it, so him only indulging his nature on occasion as you want could prove problematic in play. :P

Also if you have his nature be sadist you have to remember that indulging it could mean he's hurting innocent people to keep himself from losing his mind. Sadist's entry basically says you're inflicting pain merely for the sick twisted pleasure it gives you, not because someone deserves exactly. My gal is also has a sadist nature. :3


Shovelhead is merely a title Ino, basically it means you are seen as a newly forged untested tool in the sabbat hierarchy and not even worthy of concern, pity or regard of your fellow sect members (basically shovelheads are untested infants and haven't proved they can serve the Sabbat yet so they're generally treated like utter shit). Being one just means you started as the lowest of the low and have hopefully risen in rank since then.

I would imagine a low rank kindred couldn't simply request a blood brother squad, after all they're expensive assets in terms of resources to simply create them...also they're meant really for war time only because they can't be used for much else then being a big blob of bodies pointed at the enemy to cause havoc. I would say you at least have to be a bishop or higher in Sabbat rank before you could have one or more blood bros as your own private retainers. Also they aren't blood bound to someone typically, they're made to be loyal to Sabbat members right off the bat.

Big thing you have to remember with the Sabbat is resources are usually shared between packs at least to some degree, so one kindred requesting to have three blood bros all to himself would put a lot of people on alert pronto.
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wander

Shovelhead comes from the Sabbat method of knocking someone out with a shovel, then throwing them in a dug hole with a bunch of others, sprinkling vitae on them before burying them alive and those who manage to dig their way out are basically 'Shovelheads', the mass produced shock troop meatshields for the True Sabbat members. They are hit over the head with a shovel and after are left to it. Many don't even know they've been turned into a vampire before they're slain in the meat grinder against the Camarilla.

Disciplines are powers usually taught by the Sire, then learned and mastered as the vampire understands their existence. Some are kept completely in-clan to give a Clan an edge (Tremere's Thaumaturgy) or happen due to some quirk of the Clan (Tzimisce's Viccisitude). It is usually assumed in a default Vampire game that you have spent some years with your Sire beforehand and get a basic working knowledge of your Disciplines, representing the first few dots your character has in them.

Drowdeviant

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Quote from: wander on February 21, 2018, 12:33:46 PM
Shovelhead comes from the Sabbat method of knocking someone out with a shovel, then throwing them in a dug hole with a bunch of others, sprinkling vitae on them before burying them alive and those who manage to dig their way out are basically 'Shovelheads', the mass produced shock troop meatshields for the True Sabbat members. They are hit over the head with a shovel and after are left to it. Many don't even know they've been turned into a vampire before they're slain in the meat grinder against the Camarilla.

Disciplines are powers usually taught by the Sire, then learned and mastered as the vampire understands their existence. Some are kept completely in-clan to give a Clan an edge (Tremere's Thaumaturgy) or happen due to some quirk of the Clan (Tzimisce's Viccisitude). It is usually assumed in a default Vampire game that you have spent some years with your Sire beforehand and get a basic working knowledge of your Disciplines, representing the first few dots your character has in them.

Also when he says being buried with others Ino we’re taking big ole mass graves. The Sabbat normally only use this tactic when they need a shit ton of expendable troops pronto. Any shovelhead survives war usually is either killed or put through the wringer that entails becoming a “true Sabbat” aka an official sect member of still the low man on the proverbial totem pole. ;)

Also that bit about disciplines is mainly why catiffs and panders are so persecuted, they are basically a wild card and that unnerves those in the clans,  plus being one says that you were abandoned by your sire for some negative reason. ;)
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wander

I'll be doing my Bio hopefully tomorrow now for my character. Been too busy today to really sit down and do it. The sheet is done and ready though.

Any word from our GM when the game will start and when things are due for?

InoshimaLance

#74





Jarred Von Alden




Concept: Investigator / Soldier / Socialite

Clan: Lasombra

Nature: Bon Vivant (Hedonistic and some Sadistic Pleasures)
- Regain a point of Willpower whenever you truly enjoy yourself and can fully express your exultation.

Demeanour: Chameleon or Caregiver

Chosen Pack: The Antebellum Rebels (maybe)




Attributes

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Physical (7 dots)
Strength: 000xx
Dexterity: 0000x
Stamina: 000xx

Social (5 dots + 2 freebies)
Charisma: 00xxx
Manipulation: 0000x
Appearance: 000xx

Mental (3 dots)
Perception: 000xx
Intelligence: 0xxxx
Wits: 00xxx





Abilities

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Talents (13 points + 10 freebies)
Alertness 00xxx
Athletics 00xxx
Awareness xxxxx
Brawl 000xx
Empathy 000xx
Expression xxxxx
Intimidation 00xxx
Leadership 000xx
Streetwise xxxxx
Subterfuge 000xx

Skills (9 points)
Animal Ken xxxxx
Crafts xxxxx
Drive 0xxxx
Etiquette xxxxx
Firearm 000xx
Larceny xxxxx
Melee 000xx
Performance xxxxx
Stealth 0xxxx
Survival 0xxxx

Knowledge (5 points)
Academics xxxxx
Computer 0xxxx
Finance xxxxx
Investigation 000xx
Law 0xxxx
Medicine xxxxx
Occult xxxx
Politics xxxxx
Science xxxxx
Technology xxxxx





Disciplines (5)
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* Obtenebration (In-clan) 000xx
* Dominate (In-clan) 0xxxx
* Auspex (Off-clan) 00xxx


Backgrounds (5 + 2 freebies)
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* Retainers 000xx
* Contacts 00xxx
* Allies 0xxxx
* Herd 0xxxx


Path: Path of the Night (5)





Virtues (5)
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Conviction 000xx
Instinct 00xxx
Courage 000xx





Final Bits
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Willpower: 5 (+ 3 freebies)

Blood Pool: 5/10

Merits: Acute Sense (+1, Ears), Eat Food (+1), Friendly Face (+1), Catlike Balance (+1), Introspection (+1), Lawman's Friend (+2)

Flaws: Glowing Eyes (3, Azure), Old Flame or Rival Sires (2)(Discresion of the GM, lets use this to have fun in the story)


FREEBIES AVAILABLE: 18 (+5 flaws) = 23 pts




This is what I have gotten so far guys. I also have the main part of the background, but first I wanted to check on this one. Basically a Policeman with a really twisted sense of justice where his victims are criminals that do not deserve to be called humans and must be used to sate his sadistic needs, while other humans are cattle that need direction and control from their vampire overlords.

Drowdeviant

Quote from: InoshimaLance on February 21, 2018, 10:01:10 PM





Jarred Von Alden




Concept: Investigator / Soldier / Socialite

Clan: Lasombra

Nature: Bon Vivant (Hedonistic and some Sadistic Pleasures)
- Regain a point of Willpower whenever you truly enjoy yourself and can fully express your exultation.

Demeanour: Chameleon or Caregiver

Chosen Pack: The Antebellum Rebels (maybe)




Attributes

Show
Physical (7 dots)
Strength: 000xx
Dexterity: 0000x
Stamina: 000xx

Social (5 dots + 2 freebies)
Charisma: 00xxx
Manipulation: 0000x
Appearance: 000xx

Mental (3 dots)
Perception: 000xx
Intelligence: 0xxxx
Wits: 00xxx





Abilities

Show
Talents (13 points + 10 freebies)
Alertness 00xxx
Athletics 00xxx
Awareness xxxxx
Brawl 000xx
Empathy 000xx
Expression xxxxx
Intimidation 00xxx
Leadership 000xx
Streetwise xxxxx
Subterfuge 000xx

Skills (9 points)
Animal Ken xxxxx
Crafts xxxxx
Drive 0xxxx
Etiquette xxxxx
Firearm 000xx
Larceny xxxxx
Melee 000xx
Performance xxxxx
Stealth 0xxxx
Survival 0xxxx

Knowledge (5 points)
Academics xxxxx
Computer 0xxxx
Finance xxxxx
Investigation 000xx
Law 0xxxx
Medicine xxxxx
Occult xxxx
Politics xxxxx
Science xxxxx
Technology xxxxx





Disciplines (5)
Show
* Obtenebration (In-clan) 000xx
* Dominate (In-clan) 0xxxx
* Auspex (Off-clan) 00xxx


Backgrounds (5 + 2 freebies)
Show
* Retainers 000xx
* Contacts 00xxx
* Allies 0xxxx
* Herd 0xxxx


Path: Path of the Night (5)





Virtues (5)
Show
Conviction 000xx
Instinct 00xxx
Courage 000xx





Final Bits
Show

Willpower: 5 (+ 3 freebies)

Blood Pool: 5/10

Merits: Acute Sense (+1, Ears), Eat Food (+1), Friendly Face (+1), Catlike Balance (+1), Introspection (+1), Lawman's Friend (+2)

Flaws: Glowing Eyes (3, Azure), Old Flame or Rival Sires (2)(Discresion of the GM, lets use this to have fun in the story)


FREEBIES AVAILABLE: 18 (+6 flaws) = 24 pts




This is what I have gotten so far guys. I also have the main part of the background, but first I wanted to check on this one. Basically a Policeman with a really twisted sense of justice where his victims are criminals that do not deserve to be called humans and must be used to sate his sadistic needs, while other humans are cattle that need direction and control from their vampire overlords.

Oh he sounds fun. Mind you Isabella will likely not particularly like him personally, little too gunghao and self-righteous to her.  ;)
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Florence

I've updated some stuff on their sheet. I was unsure for a bit on a few things, but I think I'm pretty happy with how the sheet's turned out.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1499053

Other Stuff


Disclaimer: This is sort of how I've got it into my head, basically everything here is subject to Storyteller input and approval.

Specializations
Charisma: Graceful
Performance: Singing

Background Info

Fame: They're well known in the local nightclub scene, both as a clubgoer and as a performer, having been in an indie rock band during life, and still performing solo from time to time in unlife.

Herd: While they never achieved massive fame, they're well known enough locally to have a small following of devoted fans which they now use for nourishment.

Retainers: To make things easier for themselves, they made the owner of their favorite club into a ghoul.

Domain/Resources: With the official mortal owner being their vassal, they effectively own the club, not only serving as their domain, but also providing them with a regular stipend of cash.

Flaws

Vengeful: Growing up trans, non-binary and gay in the South, they have suffered more than a little abuse in life, and never forgotten or forgiven the worst offenders.

Recruitment Target: Daughters of Cacophony are not terribly common, and Melpominee can be a powerful tool for those looking to command the hearts of others.



I'll work on the required questions next, but I figured I'd get this up here.

Edit: Actually, decided to change their nature from Visionary to Bon Vivant. The more I thought over the character I'd worked up, the more I realized they probably ARE what they seem on the surface. Indulgent and hedonistic.

In fact, I feel like Cadence is the sort of vampire who seems like a hedonist on the surface, then you peel back some layers and find a visionary, and then you peel back a few more layers and... nope, there's the hedonist again.
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wander

Bio added. I'm probably gonna tweak a few things and add bits here and there, though I'm pretty much done with my character creation now and eager to get them into the game. :)

InoshimaLance

Quote from: Drowdeviant on February 21, 2018, 10:16:17 PM
Oh he sounds fun. Mind you Isabella will likely not particularly like him personally, little too gunghao and self-righteous to her.  ;)

We'll see that, after all, Charisma wins against Better Judgement. *winks* But I am not precisely looking for women, hehe.

Esoterrorist

I'm sorry I've been absent lately. I have been considering if Elliquiy is the right place for me and for this game. I think I should put a pin on this for the moment as it's a major "will I/won't I?" feeling for me. I apologize immensely if this ends up being a waste of anyone's time.
Sloppy toppy for papi, I leave sloppy Joe shook - I only call you Captain because your dick off the hook!

InoshimaLance


Esoterrorist

Basically I've been thinking about what type of roleplay I like and that kind of thing. While I have nothing against erotic roleplay or those who do it, I don't do it much anymore. I've seen some signs that this may be wanted in the rp and I don't believe that would be what I would want to do or be able to deliver. It's also my first WoD game after boycotting them for a little and I still have a bit of cognitive dissonance over it.
Sloppy toppy for papi, I leave sloppy Joe shook - I only call you Captain because your dick off the hook!

Lyku

Is there any room left in this?  If so, I would love to dust off a Tzimisce character.
Every great dream begins with a dreamer.  Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.  – Harriet Tubman


Drowdeviant

Quote from: Lyku on February 24, 2018, 07:15:31 PM
Is there any room left in this?  If so, I would love to dust off a Tzimisce character.
Sorry to disappoint you Lyku, but Eso is shelving this one for the moment. :P
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Lyku

I read.  If he decides he wants to run it with players looking for non-erotic... I am still interested.  I played WoD a lot and personally dont play it in the "Sexy vampire" kind of way.
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Peanuts

If I haven't posted in a day or two check here, maybe harrass me a bit if there isn't a post :p

Haven't got an On/Offs thread, so check my RP preferences instead.