Interest Check - Star Trek - The Original Series or prior?

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Ascia

Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
Well they seem to focus on command, operations or medical for nco paths so likely would be command but with lots of skills she is not likely to be security which in TOS is pretty limited to classic security. Helm and Navigation operated the shields and weapons for example.

I picture the classic she was selected for the ship to oversee and tend to the enlisted people as a liason and to crack heads before an officer is noticing anything, the go to person for help when your enlisted and yes like Chief O'Brian has ample skills in her case more command and leadership with experience and stints in various training schools. I'm looking at a human likely around her late 30's who enlisted at eighteen and had a good career. Likely in her last decade before retirement with her 30 years in so could be on her last long tour.

Master Chiefs don't retire until they're in their 50s or 60s. And you can become a Chief in as little as six years, especially with the right job. That's for the US Navy, at least. Chief of the Boat's job description actually fits a CMC, Command Master Chief. They're generally seen as the third member of the command team (CO, XO, and CMC). And let's just say no one but the CO or XO is likely to try to order them to do anything.

I think the Trek Chiefs are more merit based than the political and selection process of the real world Chiefs. You really have to be a specialist at whatever job you had before going on to become Chief of the Boat in Trek. Look at Miles. He was an Engineer by trade, but what didn't you see him do on the Enterprise or DS9 or Defiant? Good Lord. lol

I mean, do it however you want, I'm just trying to help by giving as much real world knowledge as I have. (I'm an E6 in the USN.) You'll see me throw in actual naval stuff in my Trek posts, so having a Chief around would be great for me. ^_^

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Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Remember your vow of celibacy then Deltan no hanky-panky for you.

That's the beauty of it. Lots of opportunities for him to have his resolve challenged, and ultimately win out... but just barely.

Quoteany enlisted person doing something to disrespect the uniform comes before her not the officers in most cases,

Technically I think TOS Starfleet doesn't have a difference between enlisted and commissioned crew. At least not according to what I can remember of the TOS writers' bible.

(I'm not quite as massive a TOS geek as that last sentence makes it sound...)
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Ascia

Quote from: Cyrano Johnson on February 15, 2013, 09:15:15 PM


(I'm not quite as massive a TOS geek as that last sentence makes it sound...)


Oh, but I am. ^_^ I believe, since Roddenberry consulted with NASA and Naval personnel (often times the same thing) he always planned to have the Enlisted in there. Afterall, why have officers if you have no enlisted? Lots of not so great jobs (including things as simple as a fire watch) to do on a starship, and I can't see an officer, even a JO, doing it.

And we know absolutely there were enlisted in later Treks. Torres from Voyager was another, I think, at first. I don't think the Maquis aside from Kotay were given commissions until later, but I'm not certain on that.

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Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 09:12:29 PM(I'm an E6 in the USN.) You'll see me throw in actual naval stuff in my Trek posts, so having a Chief around would be great for me. ^_^

Sweet!
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Ascia

Quote from: Branwen on February 15, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
We're going to strike a balance between having fun and being canon, right?

I would hope so.

Cyrano Johnson

Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
Oh, but I am. ^_^

;D

QuoteI believe, since Roddenberry consulted with NASA and Naval personnel (often times the same thing) he always planned to have the Enlisted in there. Afterall, why have officers if you have no enlisted?

Oh, totally fair point. I think the no-enlisted thing, or the decision to not mention any such divisions, was that the writing staff wanted Starfleet to seem naval-esque, but not too regimented. That's how I remember them putting it, I think.
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I'll probably go for a JO, maybe in Engineering or Ops.

RubySlippers

Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 09:12:29 PM
Master Chiefs don't retire until they're in their 50s or 60s. And you can become a Chief in as little as six years, especially with the right job. That's for the US Navy, at least. Chief of the Boat's job description actually fits a CMC, Command Master Chief. They're generally seen as the third member of the command team (CO, XO, and CMC). And let's just say no one but the CO or XO is likely to try to order them to do anything.

I think the Trek Chiefs are more merit based than the political and selection process of the real world Chiefs. You really have to be a specialist at whatever job you had before going on to become Chief of the Boat in Trek. Look at Miles. He was an Engineer by trade, but what didn't you see him do on the Enterprise or DS9 or Defiant? Good Lord. lol

I mean, do it however you want, I'm just trying to help by giving as much real world knowledge as I have. (I'm an E6 in the USN.) You'll see me throw in actual naval stuff in my Trek posts, so having a Chief around would be great for me. ^_^

This is Star Trek here I'm assuming Boot Camp, MOS School, an Advanced MOS School, Petty Officers School and Chiefs School plus time in. Twenty years seems fair to me for the role. Not to mention she likely has taken training in many areas outside of those on her own or in base time or approved by Star Fleet under other officers. These certifications likely are more informal such as certified field science training in her record so she has a basic knowledge of science and can collect samples and help run experiments under the direction of the science sections of the ship.

So her age if human will likely be 40, she will need to be 48 years to retire using the military 30 year standard for a full pension from Star Fleet. She might consider moving over if offered an instructors spot in Starfleet Academcy or in a Boot Camp however.

Ascia

Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
This is Star Trek here I'm assuming Boot Camp, MOS School, an Advanced MOS School, Petty Officers School and Chiefs School plus time in. Twenty years seems fair to me for the role. Not to mention she likely has taken training in many areas outside of those on her own or in base time or approved by Star Fleet under other officers. These certifications likely are more informal such as certified field science training in her record so she has a basic knowledge of science and can collect samples and help run experiments under the direction of the science sections of the ship.

So her age if human will likely be 40, she will need to be 48 years to retire using the military 30 year standard for a full pension from Star Fleet. She might consider moving over if offered an instructors spot in Starfleet Academcy or in a Boot Camp however.

You can probably be pretty liberal with the character age. Anything from early thirtys to late 40s sounds perfectly reasonable.

I may have my JO girl crush on the cool NCO, though. <3

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Wow!  Look at all the excitement and discussion!

Quote from: Branwen on February 15, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
We're going to strike a balance between having fun and being canon, right?

DAMN STRAIGHT!  In fact, I use canon as the backdrop for where we are, when we are but not for much else.  I just won't contradict anything outright.  However, my plots rarely have anything to do with something that would do that.  Already, I have the plots a brewin'.

Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Remember your vow of celibacy then Deltan no hanky-panky for you.


Yep.  I would suspect a Deltan would have no end of troubles with fending humanoids off, too. :)

Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 09:12:29 PM
Master Chiefs don't retire until they're in their 50s or 60s. And you can become a Chief in as little as six years, especially with the right job. That's for the US Navy, at least. Chief of the Boat's job description actually fits a CMC, Command Master Chief. They're generally seen as the third member of the command team (CO, XO, and CMC). And let's just say no one but the CO or XO is likely to try to order them to do anything.

I think the Trek Chiefs are more merit based than the political and selection process of the real world Chiefs. You really have to be a specialist at whatever job you had before going on to become Chief of the Boat in Trek. Look at Miles. He was an Engineer by trade, but what didn't you see him do on the Enterprise or DS9 or Defiant? Good Lord. lol

I mean, do it however you want, I'm just trying to help by giving as much real world knowledge as I have. (I'm an E6 in the USN.) You'll see me throw in actual naval stuff in my Trek posts, so having a Chief around would be great for me. ^_^

Well, having you around, Ascia is great for me.  I love Trek but I'm somewhat military ignorant.  So, I expect my tutorial in PM.  :)  Just stay safe in real life, please!


Alrighty....  I was looking for information on my old TOS 6 year running game in my archives and I found much more than I hoped for.  I even have all available races, etc. from the year 2294/2295.  So, since everyone's excited and ready to go, I'm going to basically say we're starting in late 2294 (which is after the TOS movies and Kirk's disappearance in the Rift, etc).  I just need to think of a name for our ship, set up an OCC, put out an information list, and set up a character sheet.  The hardest part here will actually be thinking of a name.  Not my strong suit.  I will be stealing my female Captain from the other ship, Captain Kelly Jean O'Connor but will modify her history.  She's Irish, redheaded and not someone to be trifled with drinking or in a fight.
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RubySlippers

Are Trills our I love the spots? Not a joined one just a rank and file Trill.

I checked a bit they seem to have had contact in the middle 23rd century around the time of TOS with the humans and vulcans she could have been one of the first Trill to enlist after they joined up. Just asking but it would be fun and a basic Trill is not that hard to play. I might give her abnormality that makes carrying a symbiote impossible giving her social issues on Trill which is why she enlisted to get away from home asap.

Ascia


Cyrano Johnson

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Glad to see we're getting off to such a quick start. (EDIT: Hmmm, maybe I'd better change my choice of race... we should probably have a human or two in the mix...)

If you're looking for ships' names, Starfleet ships seem mostly to carry American naval vessel names. Some of my personal faves have always been USS Freedom, USS Tempest, USS Olympia, and USS Sirocco. (And USS Firebolt, I think because it reminds me of that old marionette show, but I'm not married to that one...)
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Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 10:05:47 PM
Are Trills our I love the spots? Not a joined one just a rank and file Trill.

I checked a bit they seem to have had contact in the middle 23rd century around the time of TOS with the humans and vulcans she could have been one of the first Trill to enlist after they joined up. Just asking but it would be fun and a basic Trill is not that hard to play. I might give her abnormality that makes carrying a symbiote impossible giving her social issues on Trill which is why she enlisted to get away from home asap.

Trill did not make the cut.  Sorry.  :(

Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
lol I'm a college student these days. I'm safe. ;)

Good to hear!  Stay that way!

Quote from: Cyrano Johnson on February 15, 2013, 10:11:33 PM
Glad to see we're getting off to such a quick start.

If you're looking for ships' names, Starfleet ships seem mostly to carry American naval vessel names. Some of my personal faves have always been USS Freedom, USS Tempest, USS Olympia, and USS Sirocco.

Funny you mention that.  My old game was USS America.  However, I think I have decided on NCC-1718, USS Phoenix. 

Any objections or alternate suggestions?  I'll put up the OOC and info list tomorrow.
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Known Acceptable races in 2294 with episodic canon:

Andorians      Home Planet: Andoria.
These blue-skinned humanoids have bilateral antennae and white hair. They are rare to be found on a Federation starship although there are a few.

"Journey to Babel"

Arcadians      Home Planet: Vellun Gamma V (Arcadia).
They had a pale white skin pointed ears, startling blue eyes and bald heads, except for two crests of dark hair. They wear elaborate golden jewelery and gowns woven with gold thread, with a tall gold collar. These may have been representative of the rank of Federation Council members.

"The Voyage Home"

Arcturians      Home Planet: Arcturus.
They have brown, hairless, loose skin that hangs in heavy folds on their heads. They are clones who form the backbone of the Federation infantry. In wartime, milllions can be rapidly created to serve as cannon fodder.

"The Motion Picture"

Ardanians      Home Planet: Ardana.
There are two different cultures of Ardanians: the Troglodytes and Stratosians. The Troglodytes are miners that live in caverns beside the mines of zeenite. Stratosians live in the suspended city of Stratos and are very advanced from the artistic and cultural point of view.

These social discriminations have been eliminated by resolution of the Federal Counsel. Recent comparative studies on the DNA of the inhabitants of Stratos and they of the Troglodytes have revealed substantial differences in the structure of the aminoacids, and we suppose that the inhabitants of Stratos are not aboriginal of Ardana. In support of this thesis there is also the fact that nobody is able to explain the beginnings that regulate the complex system of gravitational manipulation that supports Stratos fairly clearly.

"The Cloudminders"

Argelians      Home Planet: Argelius II.
These humanoids like to party in very hedonistic fashion. Their home world is a favorite stop for shore leave for StarFleet.

"Wolf in the Fold"

Ariolo      Home Planet: Bartz' Star I (Fillandia).
They have deeply wrinkled faces and prominent foreheads but no discernible nose. The officials seen serving on the Federation Council wore long sombre robes and black hoods.

"The Voyage Home"

Aurelians      Home Planet: Aurelia.
These Federation members are an avian species.

"Yesteryear"

Axanarians      Home Planet: Axanari.
First contacted in 2151 by Enterprise NX-01, Axanar was the site of a famous Federation triumph during a 23rd century battle, in which Starfleet Captain Garth prevailed. James Kirk held Garth in high esteem crediting the victory with helping to hold together the Federation. Ensign Kirk also visited this world a few years later, distinguishing himself in maintaining the peace of this world, and recieved the Palm Leaf of Axanar award.

"Fight or Flight"
"Whom Gods Destroy"

Betelgeusians      Home Planet: Betelgeuse.
An avian race of seven foot tall humanoids, they evolved from predatory birds. They retain the talons and skeletal structure of a raptor and have a vestigal beak. Their skin is blue-grey with little evidence of feathers.

"The Motion Picture"

Bzzit Khaht      Home Planet: Nakagima 62B IV (Althos)
This reptilian species has pale green skin, large yellow eyes, pointed ears and long snouts. Members of the race are on the Federation Council.

"The Voyage Home"

Caitians      Home Planet: Cait.
They have retained their bodily fur, large ears and claws, but who must have put aside their animal urges to become Federation members, with representatives evident in Starfleet Admiralty and on the Federation Council. They shared a common ancestry with the Kzinti.

"The Voyage Home", "The Final Frontier"

Coridans      Home Planet: Coridan.
It was this planet that was fought over in the Babel Conference.

"Journey to Babel"

Cygnetti      Home Planet: Cygnus (?)
Matriarchal society which operates a StarFleet ship repair and maintenance facility.

"Tommorrow is Yesterday"

Daranese      Home Planet: Daran V
A Class-M Federation planet with a population of 3,724,000. In 2268 the U.S.S. Enterprise was sent to divert what was thought to be an asteroid on a collision course with the planet. The asteroid actually turned out to be the multigenerational spaceship Yonada, built 10,000 years ago by the Fabrini to save their race before their sun went nova.

"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"

Deltans      Home Planet: Delta IV.
These bald humanoids are highly evolved in the realm of sexuality. All Deltan members of StarFleet are required to take an Oath of Celibacy so that they do not take advantage of less sexually advanced species.

"The Motion Picture"

Denebians      Home Planet: Deneb V
Humanoid civilization who had a run-in with Harry Mudd over a Vulcan fuel synthesizer. Also home to slime devils.

"I, Mudd"
"The Trouble with Tribbles"
"Trials and Tribble-ations"

Efrosians      Home Planet: Flarset IV (Efros)
Efrosians are distinguishable by their white manes and whiskers. They are a prominent race in the Federation serving in Starfleet as well as in the field of politics. The Federation President who was the subject of an assassination attempt in 2293 was an Efrosian male.

"The Voyage Home"
"The Undiscovered Country"

Humans      Home Planet: Earth.
Assuming that there's not extraterrestrial life out there monitoring the internet, I'm sure you know everything you need to know about humans.

ALL

Kasheeta      Home Planet: Isis Kash II (Kashet).
They are red-skinned with deep ridges and protrusions across the face and large mouths. They seem to be descended from dinosaurs, like the Voth. They have seats on the Federation Council. There seems to be little evidence of them in the 24th Century however.

"The Voyage Home"

Kazarites      Home Planet: Kazar
A race of hirsute humanoids whose beast-like appearance concealed their advanced evolutionary development. They can communicate telepathically with animals. They apparently have some telekinetic ability too and can teleport over short distances using willpower alone. A benevolent people they are devoted ecologists who are commited to animal welfare.

"The Motion Picture"

Megarites      Home Planet: Megara
The Megarites were piscine humanoids whose preferred habitat was underwater. Federation scientists developed a series of injections that would enable them to survive out of water for up to a week. Their planet Megara was presumably dominated by seas and was rich in the mineral jade. Megarites wore tight-fitting waterproof suits in order to prevent dehydration.

"The Motion Picture"

Rhaandarites      Home Planet: unknown
A gregarious race of humanoids with enlarged craniums, presumably to contain their highly developed brains. They are long-lived, reaching full maturity at 150 years. The Rhaadarite that was part of the USS Enterprise bridge crew in 2271, however, was only 85, barely more than an adolescent in their society.

"The Motion Picture"

Rigellians      Home Planet(s): Beta Rigel (II, IV, V, VI or X)
By all accounts, the reptilian Rigellians evolved from sabre-toothed turtles. They are a hermaphrodite race and oviparous, laying eggs like their ancestors rather than giving birth to live young. The leaders wear ceremonial armour, although it is alleged that they are but puppet rulers and that the real power lay with an eminence gris, the attendants who feed them.

"The Motion Picture"

Saurians      Home Planet: unknown
An highly intelligent reptilian race, Saurians made exceptional Federation officers. They were extremely strong, belying their slim frames and had four hearts to regulate their circulation. Particularly useful on away teams, they could survive in various atmospheres that would be unsuitable for ordinary humanoids. A Saurian could be seen serving as an engineer on USS Enterprise in 2271. A notable product of their homeworld is the famous Saurian brandy.

"The Motion Picture"

Tellarites      Home Planet: Tellar.
A humanoid species distinguished by a porcine-like snout, stout build, deep set eyes and a characteristically irascible disposition.

"Journey to Babel"
"Bounty"

Vulcans      Home Planet: Vulcan.
A humanoid race, with copper-based blood, slightly green-tinted complexion and notably pointed ears, they are responsible in a large part for the founding of the Federation. Over the centuries, Vulcans have developed a culture dedicated to the complete mastery of logic, learning to suppress their once-violent emotions in nearly every aspect of their existence.

In the mid-22nd century, Vulcans still carry remnants of their more emotional selves. The captain of Enterprise NX-01, Jonathan Archer--who numbers amongst his crew a Vulcan science officer/liason named T'Pol--has frequent dealings with the Vulcan high command. In these dealings, it is evident that some sense of emotion has been retained. At this period in their history, they are secretive and, according to the Andorians, perpetual liars.

In the 23rd century a Vulcan, Commander Spock, served as Captain James T. Kirk's first officer and science officer aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 for many years. At least one Vulcan has served as Starfleet Academy superintendent, one who memorized every cadet's personal file, during all or part of Commander Riker's years in 2353-57.

In ancient times, Vulcans were a war-like race, leading to their near extinction. Its ancients believed in gods, such as war, peace and death.

Vulcans are typically stronger than Humans, though they do not boast of this strength. Vulcans were brewing wines circa 2070--before the United Federation of Planets was founded.

Lieutenant Tuvok serving on the U.S.S. Voyager is a full Vulcan, while legendary Ambassador Spock is half Vulcan and half Human. The Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcan species.

Episode(s): Star Trek
Star Trek: Voyager
Enterprise
"The Motion Picture"
"The Wrath of Khan"
"The Search for Spock"
"The Voyage Home"
"The Final Frontier"
"The Undiscovered Country"
"Unification"

Xelatians      Home Planet: Tau 56 III (Xelata)
Their appearance is unclear, as they are forced to don breathing masks to survive an M-class environment. Members of this species were on the Federation council in 2286.

"The Voyage Home"

Zaranite      Home Planet: Zaran or Byrdica II
Like the Benzites and Barzans, the Zaranites can not breathe an M-class atmosphere and so wear face masks and backpacks to provide the fluorine gas they require. They wear symbolic necklaces carved from Berbbotjahaa horn: the upper section indicates an individual's family while the lower part identifies the person himself, rather like a form of name tag. Their traditional dress is pastel-coloured robes.

They are orange-brown skinned humanoids, some with a distinctive, large, twin-lobed cranium, while others had a smaller, more human head. Whether these represented different social castes or even separate races is unknown.

The Zaranites were certainly Federation members as at least one could be seen in 2271 serving on USS Enterprise. Others were seen at Kirk's court martial in 2286 and representing the Federation at Khitomer in 2292.

"The Motion Picture"
"The Voyage Home"
"The Undiscovered Country"
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Ascia

Centaurans aren't on that list either.

I hate that list. ^_^

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Quote from: Ascia on February 15, 2013, 10:28:25 PM
Centaurans aren't on that list either.

I hate that list. ^_^

I'm just a party pooper.  Ask my wife.  :)

Though, I wonder how Daranese made the list.  *shrug* I remember pulling this list from somewhere on Federation members at this time period.  The Trill HAD visited the Federation in the 23rd century but they were not yet members, I do not believe.  The joined species part was not known until the 24th century.
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I didn't say she was from a member world, you did not have to be in the Federation to serve in Star Fleet if she did so as a citizen of Trill does it matter she is enlisted, not someone who applied to Star Fleet Academy and since she is not joined it wouldn't be a big deal for her people to "lose her".  I would think if she could pass the entrance test and physical and took the oath to servce for her first enlistment it would be enough and there is no reason save GM biase she couldn't peak her career. Likely though she would have applied for citizenship awhile ago to a member planet after she was clearly an asset to the service.

So she could be a Starfleet Member and a citizen of Earth for legal purposes but not a member of a Federation species. As for the joined trill part she is not likely to talk about it odds are any biological issues like the symbiote chamber in her she will state it as a "private matter of her species they don't talk about to outsiders". A doctor would be sworn to respect that if the issue had no bearing on her health and fitness.

Come on we need some flexibility here for the team.

Devil's Advocate

Quote from: RubySlippers on February 15, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
I didn't say she was from a member world, you did not have to be in the Federation to serve in Star Fleet if she did so as a citizen of Trill does it matter she is enlisted, not someone who applied to Star Fleet Academy and since she is not joined it wouldn't be a big deal for her people to "lose her".  I would think if she could pass the entrance test and physical and took the oath to servce for her first enlistment it would be enough and there is no reason save GM biase she couldn't peak her career. Likely though she would have applied for citizenship awhile ago to a member planet after she was clearly an asset to the service.

So she could be a Starfleet Member and a citizen of Earth for legal purposes but not a member of a Federation species. As for the joined trill part she is not likely to talk about it odds are any biological issues like the symbiote chamber in her she will state it as a "private matter of her species they don't talk about to outsiders". A doctor would be sworn to respect that if the issue had no bearing on her health and fitness.

Come on we need some flexibility here for the team.

I'm rather flexible.  I'll give it some thought.  I have no biases whatsoever.  I just like making things work/fit. 
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Phaia

I may be interested in this but have a question

when did betazoid join the UFP... I would love playing a Betazoid or even a half betazoid and can find a much sexier version then deianna troy


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Quote from: Phaia on February 15, 2013, 11:09:24 PM
I may be interested in this but have a question

when did betazoid join the UFP... I would love playing a Betazoid or even a half betazoid and can find a much sexier version then deianna troy


Phaia

Betazoid joined UFP in 2273 apparently.  See Memory Alpha.  My list may have to be updated....  http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Betazed
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