D3 is live

[SinXAzgard21]

Yes it is, just went live 7 minutes ago and already I can't even log in due to the massive amounts of people doing the same... So I say fuck it I'll play when I get up.

[Callie Del Noire]

Yeah.. it makes SOOOOO much sense to make it online only.

I got in.. but can't get past character creation screen myself. :(

[Shjade]

^

Why I didn't buy it.

[Aiden]

Like any midnight blizzards releases go off without a hitch.

I just got home from game stop, installing it now.

[Dariusfallenstar]

Playing it tomorrow. But, I scheduled an extra 12 hour shift at work so I can play it all day Saturday too.  >:)

[dready]

Installed but can't play. Video card is incompatible. :C

[Sabby]

I was somewhat interested. Watched the beta, it looked fun, and I would have played it, but I'm not supporting this online garbage, even though it's futile -.- next console generation is guna implement this shit as well. Gaming subscriptions are guna be the norm at some point.

[Hemingway]

I was going to buy it, but I decided to check Metacritic first, and ... well, user reviews aren't exactly a reliable source of information ( nor are critic reviews for that matter - anyone want to bet D3 will get a score of anything less than the upper end of 80? ), but some of the things I read turned me off. There may come a day when I'm bored out of my mind and decide to get it, but for now ... I'm going to stay strong.

[SinXAzgard21]

^

Why I didn't buy it.

I didn't buy, I did the annual pass and got it as a bonus considering I still play WoW.

[Inkidu]

Can't even play it if I wanted to, so Blizzard's never getting a dime from me again. Anyway, they closed down Blizzard North so Blizzard isn't even Blizzard anymore. I sincerely hope against hope that Blizzard goes red with this. Maybe it will teach them something about ten-year development cycles and making sure you have enough day-one support for what you know is damn well going to happen. Seriously, it's not like they didn't know it was going to happen. The Diablo imitators look better than Diablo. 

[Chris Brady]

I didn't buy, I did the annual pass and got it as a bonus considering I still play WoW.

Same.  I'm not buying this game.  It's a lot of fun, but given Blizz's ineptness, I'm not surprised that it turned out this way.  Oh, and apparently, there's a game breaking bug for the Demon Hunter/ress.

Error 3006.  Careful equipping shields on the Templar.

[SinXAzgard21]

Can't even play it if I wanted to, so Blizzard's never getting a dime from me again. Anyway, they closed down Blizzard North so Blizzard isn't even Blizzard anymore. I sincerely hope against hope that Blizzard goes red with this. Maybe it will teach them something about ten-year development cycles and making sure you have enough day-one support for what you know is damn well going to happen. Seriously, it's not like they didn't know it was going to happen. The Diablo imitators look better than Diablo. 

Did Blizzard kill your dog or something?

[Inkidu]

Did Blizzard kill your dog or something?

Some people hate EA, I think Blizzard/Activision is worse.

[Callie Del Noire]

Some people hate EA, I think Blizzard/Activision is worse.

Care to give a reason or three?

EA has killed off what.. a dozen potential games for reasons like 'no franchise potential', locking down sports franchise games, buying and gutting game studios right, left and center.

[Inkidu]

Care to give a reason or three?

EA has killed off what.. a dozen potential games for reasons like 'no franchise potential', locking down sports franchise games, buying and gutting game studios right, left and center.

I'm not going to get into this argument I've been there too many times.

[Chris Brady]

And frankly, both companies are just as bad as the other.

[Sel Nar]

EA at least Tried to add new IPs to its marketplace (Dead Space, for example) and let formerly-absorbed studios regain independence (EA Redwood becoming Visceral, due to the success of Dead Space); they're still an 'evil empire', mind, but they're at least trying to be less 'stupid evil' and more 'lawful evil'.

ActiBlizz is on public record as stating that they were seriously wanting any game with any mutiplayer component they made to be pay-to-play for the SP and MP, and have been murdering more franchises via milking the dry, shrivelled black teat of CowaDoody and other generic 'hide behind cover because the AI shot you through a wall and now you can't see shit because you're covered in raspberry jam' games.

[Aiden]

QQ Nubs.  >:)

[Inkidu]

EA at least Tried to add new IPs to its marketplace (Dead Space, for example) and let formerly-absorbed studios regain independence (EA Redwood becoming Visceral, due to the success of Dead Space); they're still an 'evil empire', mind, but they're at least trying to be less 'stupid evil' and more 'lawful evil'.

ActiBlizz is on public record as stating that they were seriously wanting any game with any mutiplayer component they made to be pay-to-play for the SP and MP, and have been murdering more franchises via milking the dry, shrivelled black teat of CowaDoody and other generic 'hide behind cover because the AI shot you through a wall and now you can't see shit because you're covered in raspberry jam' games.

Pretty much this.

Aiden: I would, but my tears would destroy you. They would lay waste to your soul!  >:)

[Samael]

EA killed Westwood, and what is more important,

Farewell, my loved Ultima.

[Inkidu]

EA killed Westwood, and what is more important,

Farewell, my loved Ultima.

Actually Westwood can be found in Visceral.

[The Golden Touch]

QQ Nubs.  >:)

<3 Kudos.

[Callie Del Noire]

I honestly wonder though if anyone bothered to shock test battle net though.

It's been up and down like a yoyo. This is why I wonder why they thought a constant online presence was so smart.

[Shjade]

There's only so much you can do to stress test a service without actually unleashing 5+ million users on it simultaneously, I guess.

[Callie Del Noire]

There's only so much you can do to stress test a service without actually unleashing 5+ million users on it simultaneously, I guess.

True.. but you can predict system load. Design of a network isnt' a mystic art though. And they do run something like what.. 10 million users of WoW.

[Cold Heritage]

I feel a sense of cosmic injustice that, having only downloaded approximately thirty megabytes, I've uploaded twice that in the three hours I've been attempting to download the game.

[Callie Del Noire]

I feel a sense of cosmic injustice that, having only downloaded approximately thirty megabytes, I've uploaded twice that in the three hours I've been attempting to download the game.

I'm still curious as to why they justify p2p for updates. Laziness? You don't need to put up as much server load on your own network.

[Chris Brady]

Man, the sheer incompetence by Blizzard, it's amazing.

[Callie Del Noire]

Man, the sheer incompetence by Blizzard, it's amazing.

Hey they were up 14 out of 24 hours first day!

[Chris Brady]

About an hour after they said it would be live for everyone.

[Sabby]

EA killed Westwood, and what is more important,

Farewell, my loved Ultima.

Don't forget Pandemic, one of the most promising small developers. I wanted to firebomb EA when they shut them down for their own fuck up.

[Chris Brady]

I would like to point something out.  Activision and Blizzard are not one company.  They are both owned by a French company, Vivendi SA (formerly Vivendi Universal),  as such Blizzard and Activision have no say in each others businesses.  So hating on Activision or Blizzard is fine, but don't assume that one's idiocy affects the other.

[Callie Del Noire]

Don't forget Pandemic, one of the most promising small developers. I wanted to firebomb EA when they shut them down for their own fuck up.

Not to mention Westwood, Bullfrog and a few other companies that EA ate then killed after making them commit to games not ready for market. I still laugh anytime EA says anything about 'high standards/quality'. How many old school game franchises do they have that they have forgotten about?

[Inkidu]

Not to mention Westwood, Bullfrog and a few other companies that EA ate then killed after making them commit to games not ready for market. I still laugh anytime EA says anything about 'high standards/quality'. How many old school game franchises do they have that they have forgotten about?

Pffft. There's been rumors of a new Wing Commander game in the works, with the original creator on board. So if EA produces that and it turns out good all is forgiven. I mean they have Bioware. Bioware plus Wing Commander would equal awesome. Though I'd bring in another studio to do the flying parts.

Also, as far as I can tell EA's buyouts have never been particularly hostile, so either the little studios wanted the money and couldn't deliver their contractual obligations, or they were hurting for the money in the first place and signed the deal with the devil. Not saying it's right, not saying it's all that wrong. It just happens in business everyday, and even if they don't need the studio they'll more than likely keep the core talent. Shuffle them around.

How many good games has EA helped put on the market? I mean no companies perfect. I just think Activision/Blizzard is the worse of two evils, so to speak.

(I don't care if it's Vivendi. Blizzard was bought under the Activision subsidiary and yes they do have contact with one another.)

[Callie Del Noire]

Pffft. There's been rumors of a new Wing Commander game in the works, with the original creator on board. So if EA produces that and it turns out good all is forgiven. I mean they have Bioware. Bioware plus Wing Commander would equal awesome. Though I'd bring in another studio to do the flying parts.

Also, as far as I can tell EA's buyouts have never been particularly hostile, so either the little studios wanted the money and couldn't deliver their contractual obligations, or they were hurting for the money in the first place and signed the deal with the devil. Not saying it's right, not saying it's all that wrong. It just happens in business everyday, and even if they don't need the studio they'll more than likely keep the core talent. Shuffle them around.

How many good games has EA helped put on the market? I mean no companies perfect. I just think Activision/Blizzard is the worse of two evils, so to speak.

(I don't care if it's Vivendi. Blizzard was bought under the Activision subsidiary and yes they do have contact with one another.)

I don't think Blizzard/Activision (or Vivendi even) have gutted as many studios as EA. Bullfrog had some good stuff, Westwood was strong with CC till EA over staturated the license and burned it out for a few years. Origin has SEVERAL awesome properties that EA just let lie fallow. Ultima, Privateers, Wing Commander.. hell the Janes Flight games/Strike Commander were all awesome fun for the time.

[Ixia]

I'm installing a starter edition that someone gave to me right now soooo... if I like the game I might buy it, who knows!

[Oniya]

I bet they could have stress-tested their system by offering those 10 million WoW users a special item or something to log in to a test server.  Hardware load doesn't much care what program it's running, as long as it's of a similar complexity.

[Sel Nar]

And that's why I can state that Blizzard dropped the ball, hard. It looks like they completely and utterly failed at even basic stresstesting for D3.

As a comparison, Arenanet, the day before the D3 release, did a stresstest for GW2, to see what the minimum number of servers would be needed to ensure full functionality so they can pull servers 'off the line' and upgrade while the game's running, without forcing a restart or long DL times.

[SinXAzgard21]

Okay, as the original poster and since the topic of this thread is D3 I'd like to get back to the topic... So for the people playing, anymore glitches and such?  I've not seen any but I just started my DH and am going to make a Witch Doctor soon.

[Ryven]

I've made a Witch Doctor.  He is fun! :D  You should friend me so we can fight evil together, Sin.  ^-^

[Chris Brady]

ArenaNet still has a lot of work ahead of them, Sel.

I'm playing a Barbarian, and it's fun.  Other than the log in issues they were plagued with, and some random disconnects, I haven't encounter any bugs.

[Callie Del Noire]

I'm mostly miffed about the acheivements I didn't get credit for.. there are a few 'hiccups' in game play but I'm also running act III with all the graphics perks at full power.

[Cold Heritage]

So, I got to play after downloading this new launcher thing and pointing it to English US instead of the default it saddled me with and after that thing got done downloading about two and a half more gigs. It seemed . . . strange to me that I couldn't connect because of what was ostensibly a language selection that I was prompted by default to have.

Apart from that and my friend getting disconnected I haven't had any problems yet.

I'm kind of dismayed at a cap of four player co-op in this day and age. If we got saddled with needing this constant internet connection, it seems like they ought to have thrown us a bone on having more people able to play together at once.

[Ixia]

Things that bother me so far... always online DRM, they should have allowed an offline option while at the same time not allowing to transfer character from singleplayer to multi. Although they could allow it the other way around, from multi to single, that would be a good fix for the future, but it's totally not going to happen.

Action house looks like a pay to win service, not good... and who assures me that Blizzard is not going to place the best items for sale? huh?

The lack of character customization, not even hair color!

The lack of shiny loot, there are very few decent items which sucks considering that it's the main point of the game, no?

[Cold Heritage]

It also seems dumbed down compared to previous Diablos. Maybe I just accidentally stumbled on Babby's First Lootgrind mode, but I'm not assigning stats or skill points and I'm stuck with 1 to 4 for skills. Why do I have to choose between stomp or leap instead of just assigning them to the keys I please?

[Aiden]

game balance.

[Sabby]

Cracked weighs in on Deeabwo Fwee

If given a choice between going back and living in the year 1982 and sitting in a chair made of living dicks, most of us would choose the dicks. After all, back then you had almost zero control over your entertainment -- you watched shows and movies when they wanted you to. (This was even before everybody had VCRs -- if you missed it live, you missed it forever.) All technological progress since then has been devoted to letting us watch shows or movies when we want. Video games, however, are going the opposite direction.
For a prime example, let's take the just-released Diablo III.
I haven't been excited about a video game in a long, long time. It's not because I've hit some magical stage of adulthood that makes me hate fun things, or that I'm so busy that I can't find time for simple entertainment. Give me a good enough game, and I'll make time for it. Give me something spectacular, and I'll call in sick for it. Give me something I've waited 12 years for, and I'll burn down my grandma's house for a copy.
The smoldering charcoal on my grandma's scorched lawn means that Diablo III came out two days ago. Unfortunately for her, I didn't realize until later that arson in no way affects the game's availability. Especially since you can just download it directly from their website instead of camping out in front of the store on opening day. So I did...

[Inkidu]

I love it, but the sad part is that Blizzard will still make money, and then that's it, game over, man, game over. They can tell people what they'll play, how they'll play it, and when; and people will say, "Okay!" Happily... It makes me sick.

[RubySlippers]

My psychic sight says some players once this gets known more will stay with D2, at least until the price on this drops to a good price but $60 for me is to much right now. And the playing of it at the local game shop didn't impress me the choices are few and the game is well - not Diablo to me.

Come on the D2 classes took planning but were flexible you could have a pure summoner necromancer or use curses or a barbarian with several long term options as to tactics even a hurling weapon barbarian and so forth.

I was hoping for a simpler skill system but still with variety, character customization and blend it Diablo meets WoW.

[Cold Heritage]

Okay so there is an "elective mode" hidden away in the options that'll somewhat free up how I can bind skills.

[Shjade]

Okay so there is an "elective mode" hidden away in the options that'll somewhat free up how I can bind skills.

Yeah, you're still limited in the number of total skills you can have "active" at any given time, but you can reassign them to whatever slots you want if you enable the option to do so (which I did while in the beta weekend, but I don't recall where you activate that option). I remember using the monk's AE sweeping strikes as my main form of attack with the right-click attack being a burst attack (the kick, I think) and then having the lightning punch for a third skill. Why that instead of one of the support/defensive skills? Just for mobility - I'd use that attack with the teleport rune enabled to jump group to group. Worked pretty well.

[SinXAzgard21]

Okay, so I asked nicely once and I'll do it one more time.  If your topic is not D3 related please start another topic to talk about yours.  I don't care that Blizzard made it and I don't care about D2. 

Ryven, I got your PM but have gotten wrapped up in Lost so I will add you and should be on during the weekend.  ^^

[Cold Heritage]

Okay, so I asked nicely once and I'll do it one more time.  If your topic is not D3 related please start another topic to talk about yours. 

Do you consider commenting about Diablo 3's UI and skill system is not D3 related?

[Ixia]

Sooo, after playing a bit more, despite the occasional lag and server meltdowns I think that it's a great game. However I wouldn't pay full price for it, mostly due to the online DRM and action house... I'm also not liking what I'm hearing about the game being quite short and linear so... maybe when the price drops down, otherwise it's just not worth my money.

[SinXAzgard21]

Do you consider commenting about Diablo 3's UI and skill system is not D3 related?

That as to do with D3 so that is fine, I just want the thread to become a debate on d2 vs d3 or about how Blizzard does this and that and should be this and that.  This, as far as the UI, personally I wish it could have had a little more flair...

[Chris Brady]

Sooo, after playing a bit more, despite the occasional lag and server meltdowns I think that it's a great game. However I wouldn't pay full price for it, mostly due to the online DRM and action house... I'm also not liking what I'm hearing about the game being quite short and linear so... maybe when the price drops down, otherwise it's just not worth my money.

I don't know.  D2 wasn't that much longer.  As for linearity, it does feel pretty much like a straight line, however it's not like there were many options in the previous games either.  Although, I admit my feelings might be bit screwed up at the moment, been playing a lot of Skyrim of late.

Honestly, though, this on line only thing was a bad call.  I know of two Hardcore players who tried and won't anymore.  And I actually experienced why.  Server sync issues.  I am currently playing a Barb, and a couple of times I got killed whirl winding out of a nasty clusterbuck only to be teleported right back in just to waste a potion and still get completely murdered anyway.

Unfortunately, that's something you can't fix when playing online.  Sometimes it's not either side ut your ISP.

[Shjade]

Honestly, though, this on line only thing was a bad call.  I know of two Hardcore players who tried and won't anymore.  And I actually experienced why.  Server sync issues.  I am currently playing a Barb, and a couple of times I got killed whirl winding out of a nasty clusterbuck only to be teleported right back in just to waste a potion and still get completely murdered anyway.

Yep. I saw enough hiccups in the few days I played in the beta to confirm my preexisting suspicion the lag would make the game unpleasant to play, if only intermittently.

I don't have anything against Blizzard, though. I've loved the majority of their games. I'm just not a fanboy, so I don't buy games if I don't think I'm going to want to play them, regardless of studio. ;p

[Aiden]

I don't know.  D2 wasn't that much longer.  As for linearity, it does feel pretty much like a straight line, however it's not like there were many options in the previous games either.  Although, I admit my feelings might be bit screwed up at the moment, been playing a lot of Skyrim of late.

Honestly, though, this on line only thing was a bad call.  I know of two Hardcore players who tried and won't anymore.  And I actually experienced why.  Server sync issues.  I am currently playing a Barb, and a couple of times I got killed whirl winding out of a nasty clusterbuck only to be teleported right back in just to waste a potion and still get completely murdered anyway.

Unfortunately, that's something you can't fix when playing online.  Sometimes it's not either side ut your ISP.

Spec Frenzy - heal and revenge heal and you can be old skool whirly barb.

Even that will beat the dreaded monster La'Ag with disconnecting infusion

[Chris Brady]

Spec Frenzy - heal and revenge heal and you can be old skool whirly barb.

Even that will beat the dreaded monster La'Ag with disconnecting infusion

Doesn't help.  I know, I tried it.  Getting pulled back three times within two seconds in a mob of blues?  Crushed.

[Cold Heritage]

I'm really finding that I want more than four skills to be usable at a time - I find that there are some skills that are rather useful in particular instances, but not generally useful enough that I want them bound to one of my few slots.

The game also feels fairly short. I play through from almost the beginning of act 2 all the way to the end today with a friend and we took about 7-ish hours to do it. We weren't super thorough and 100% exploring every map, though we did go into every cellar we could find. On one hand I guess it's good it was needlessly padded out, and if it were longer I suspect I'd get tired of enemy repetition - there was good enough variety at the clip the game moved along at that I wasn't in one place long enough for its geography and enemies to get stale.

I'm QQing a lot because I had been using a helmet I found at the end of act 1 and just never found anything better until we tooled around in act 1 nightmare a bit, and I'd made about a dozen or so yellow arming caps and they were all better for non-barbarians - I got Int and Dex boosters like crazy. All of them just did only that just about. Maybe one was a Vit and miscellaneous.

That as to do with D3 so that is fine, I just want the thread to become a debate on d2 vs d3 or about how Blizzard does this and that and should be this and that.  This, as far as the UI, personally I wish it could have had a little more flair...

Ok. Was asking so I know where I stood, is all.

[Kirce]

Hmm... this might be a little... I don't know, but if anyone has a spare guest invite code I would really appreciate it, just to see why is everyone talking about this game as of late. By the way I'm in Europe.

[Chris Brady]

If I had a friend code I'd give it, but as I got this game as part of the annual pass, I don't have any.

HOWEVER, there will be a 'starter edition' about a month from release, so you can try it free in June. :)

[Kirce]

That's good to know :)

[Chris Brady]

It'll let you go to level 13, and I think be about half of the first chapter, but it's still fun.

Personally, 90% of my issues with the game would be solved with an off-line Single Player mode.

[Kirce]

I can imagine, I just read that they're doing maintenance... and it's sunday afternoon.

[Aiden]

Hey Kirce,

Sent you one of my guess passes, enjoy.

[Kirce]

Wish it was for Europe :( They should really allow people with starter accounts to switch regions! Anyway, I didn't use it, like I said in the PM but thanks for trying to help me!

[Chris Brady]

Warning!

Gamespy.com is reporting that there is a rash of accounts being hacked.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/diablo-iii/1224789p1.html

Change your password at the very least.

[Sasquatch421]

Warning!

Gamespy.com is reporting that there is a rash of accounts being hacked.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/diablo-iii/1224789p1.html

Change your password at the very least.

I guess that is another downside of it being online only... Then again everything has been getting hacked lately. Don't they ever get bored? What class in D3 is the most fun at the moment? I thought the Monk class looked interesting and would be one of the reasons I'll eventually pick it up...

[Shjade]

What class in D3 is the most fun at the moment?

I'm having a blast with the Hacker class at the moment, but it's sort of a specialty class for...err...

...um. Nevermind. >.>

[Inkidu]

Warning!

Gamespy.com is reporting that there is a rash of accounts being hacked.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/diablo-iii/1224789p1.html

Change your password at the very least.

What's more ludicrous is that Blizzard is punishing the victims of these hacks. I get that they can only give so many roll-backs on accounts, but banning the poor unfortunate victim because they and Blizzard are incapable of providing security of this always-online environment is absurd. I know that there is an element of risk, but punishing the account's holder is kind of like the customer in jail when the bank gets robbed.

Who knows if the poor guys and girls victimized will even get a second chance. How many different accounts is a person allowed to create?

[SinXAzgard21]

I guess that is another downside of it being online only... Then again everything has been getting hacked lately. Don't they ever get bored? What class in D3 is the most fun at the moment? I thought the Monk class looked interesting and would be one of the reasons I'll eventually pick it up...

I'm enjoying my Witch Doctor and my Demon Hunter.  I'm planning on trying out Monk soon and possibly Wizard but I don't like the look of the Barbarian.  Pretty much it is what you like playing.

[Cold Heritage]

A friend I play with does the monk, and he's a blast to play with. He's got some nice attacks, gets a pet, and can do some healing buffs. Having Dexterity as a main stat seems to do some good things for the class, since they get it boosting damage, armour, dodge bonus, and what have you.

I've only played the barbarian, and I think it's an okay class. I really think it suffers a lot from not having the full keyboard for skills; I'd like to leap into the fray, use a couple shouts, then pop some abilities, and be able to have the ranged abilities at the end there for the times I need them to pick off runners or annoying enemies that like to flit around and not directly engage (act 2 sand wasps, I'm looking at you).

The one thing I guess that is kind of bugging me is that two-handed weapons seem pretty shafted. There just never seems to be any I come across that makes forgoing an off-hand item worthwhile - it's giving up up to five extra magic effects. The effects on two-handed weapons don't seem stronger than one-handed ones, and the DPS is only marginally higher at baseline.

[Callie Del Noire]

I guess that is another downside of it being online only... Then again everything has been getting hacked lately. Don't they ever get bored? What class in D3 is the most fun at the moment? I thought the Monk class looked interesting and would be one of the reasons I'll eventually pick it up...

I'm rocking out on my Demon Hunter.. she's nice looking and if I can just get a few more bits.. I'll be able to build a GM bow that will HOPEFULLY break me out of the 390.00 dps range I'm stuck in.

[SinXAzgard21]

I'm rocking out on my Demon Hunter.. she's nice looking and if I can just get a few more bits.. I'll be able to build a GM bow that will HOPEFULLY break me out of the 390.00 dps range I'm stuck in.

I'm playing very very casually...  Like I've not even got through the first act with my DH. 

[Chris Brady]

I love the Barbarian, and really, he's the only class that gets full benefits out of every non-class set to boot.  He's got the best choices in loot, which is the point of this game anyway.  :)  Not to mention the sheer physical power he shows off by blowing enemies apart with an axe swing is pretty awesome, too.

[Shjade]

Too bad he's apparently unable to play on the highest difficulty level due to being one-shot by any enemy. :|

[Chris Brady]

Haven't gotten that far yet.  And now with my mouse failing, there's little chance of me gaming.

[Callie Del Noire]

Too bad he's apparently unable to play on the highest difficulty level due to being one-shot by any enemy. :|

I don't know about that yet.. I just got my DH onto nightmare.. Arcane/Teleport and Vampiric/Mortar mobs are nasty.

[Shjade]

It's something some folks from a MUX I regularly visit mentioned. According to them, the Barbarian is literally unplayable on Inferno difficulty due to stat scaling: it is impossible to have defensive stats high enough to survive a hit from monsters on that difficulty, and the Barbarian is the only class that lacks defensive abilities to compensate for that deficiency, so they get one-shot by anything and (being a melee class) can't avoid being hit altogether forever.

[Chris Brady]

I guess I won't be doing Infero then...  Cuz the Barb is my favorite class.  I just can't get behind the Wizard or DH story wise, their attitude drives me nuts (in both genders), the WD creeps me out, such a nice spiritual guy, who just so happens to be from a cannibalistic culture.  And the monk.  The monk, yet another rehashing of archetype that's been forced in square peg, round hole style, and better they made the class vaguely Russian sounding.  That's the sound of my brain breaking.

[Aiden]

If the class is truly unplayable in that difficulty then there will be a hot fix in the future.

I am not in Inferno yet so I can't comment and I won't take some person's findings as evidence the class can't play the difficulty maybe they are just bad players.

[Shjade]

Oh, I doubt they're bad. They just refused to take my advice of, "So don't get hit." ;p

A quick Google search is enough to find a few videos and guides of people playing Barbarians on Inferno. You just can't play one like...well, like a Barbarian, at least as most people would picture it (ie: run up to things, hack & slash until they die, repeat), at least not until you're uber-geared like [noembed]this guy[/noembed]. Nothing surprising to me considering Diablo's difficulty levels have always been "the same thing, but with bigger numbers now."

[Cold Heritage]

Personally I think the monk is great. I wish the barbarian was vaguely Russian.

[Ryven]

Normal Diablo is my bitch, so I'm going to start a new class now!  I'm thinking about the monk.

[Kirce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I43GUnZN_s4

Sooo funny :P

[Aiden]

Ohh man, that was so much awesome.

[Shjade]

I'm confused about one thing: if Diablo is a girl in this metaphor, what is the "real girlfriend?"

[Kirce]

I guess that a girl that is not actually a cockblock for that guy :P

[Ryven]

I need people to play with online. :-(  I've gotten my solo play on, so I wanna play online with some other people now.  Anyone interested?

[Chris Brady]

I need people to play with online. :-(  I've gotten my solo play on, so I wanna play online with some other people now.  Anyone interested?

I would, but for two reasons;  First I'm not done the first playthrough.  Second:  I yo-yo worse than a factory full of them.  I've died more times being 'teleported' back into a mob I've Whirlwinded out of than I have at boss fights, and the Butcher was rough for my Barbarian.  I keep getting server sync problems.  For a single player mode.

[Psycho Serenity]

I've begun to play a bit. There are some annoying errors when trying to log in sometimes, but so far it's pretty fun in my personal opinion.

[SinXAzgard21]

I need people to play with online. :-(  I've gotten my solo play on, so I wanna play online with some other people now.  Anyone interested?

I need to finish normal mode for at least one character first before I play with other people....  Which means I need to get off LoL at some point.

[Aiden]

LoL is a seductive bitch, she had her hooks in me for a while.

Brady- If you are in nightmare, WW might not be your friend. I had to fully change how I play barb to stay alive in some of these new encounters.

What lvl are you at Ryven? I'm currently 41 and taking on Act 2 on nightmare.

[SinXAzgard21]

From my understanding of Barb, you need to build tanky in the harder difficulties...

I feel that my DH who is in act 2 on normal is becoming a little too squishy.  Anyone else have that issue?

And yes LoL is addictive, but I enjoy it and am not an asshole who flames people... It is a game.

[Aiden]

Pound of Flesh for the Barbarian is a god send.

I have that, Nerves of Steel and another defense passive which ups my armor..

One increases your armor by your vitality and the other ups your armor by 25%

Main skill fury (cuz its the shit) and off skill shockwave- runed to knock back enemies.

Main talents, Earthquake, shouts and stomp (runed for stun/snare), will have to check when I log in. This is the basic aoe build in order to live in case you run into stupidly enchanted mobs like...ICE- desecrate or Waller-Firepool of fuck this game.

[ExisD]

I've got two character so far, having just got the game two weeks ago. A wizard who's on the last part of act 1 nightmare and a demon hunter who's on act 2 normal.

So far I've loved the wizard's game play and character while I've been a bit disappointed while playing my demon hunter. She just feels way too squishy because all of her crowd control abilities are snares rather than stuns and I have yet to get a good aoe damage skill. She destroys things much faster than my wizard ever did 1 on 1, if she can survive.

[Callie Del Noire]

From my understanding of Barb, you need to build tanky in the harder difficulties...

I feel that my DH who is in act 2 on normal is becoming a little too squishy.  Anyone else have that issue?

And yes LoL is addictive, but I enjoy it and am not an asshole who flames people... It is a game.

Hmm.. I got a nice Yellow in Act one with nice DH bonuses and HUGE vitality bonus that lasted all the way through Act IV.. and by then I had several nice yellows with not as big vitality bonuses.. I'm in act 2 nightmare now cringing at the fact that I have a 20 dps jump at a 200-700 health hit.

[Aiden]

The AH is your friend in this game, Everything I am wearing has been Ah bought. Maybe I have crappy loot drops but all my yellows get sold low so I can keep a constant flow of gold coming in.

[Ryven]

LoL is a seductive bitch, she had her hooks in me for a while.

Brady- If you are in nightmare, WW might not be your friend. I had to fully change how I play barb to stay alive in some of these new encounters.

What lvl are you at Ryven? I'm currently 41 and taking on Act 2 on nightmare.

My WD is 32, and my monk is 26.  I haven't started nightmare yet because I want to get a feel for the characters a little more.

[Cold Heritage]

Firechain vortex is a combo that is particularly vexing to me.

I had to do a pretty significant change to my barbarian too for nightmare. I had to basically go get all new gear to get more vitality and really step back DPS so I had even a chance of surviving against basically any enemy with a dot effect.

[Aiden]

Vampiric with an Aoe ground effect...FUCK THAT.

I had to run away from two packs of mobs.

One was Vampiric, Plague

the other Vampric, Desecration

-_-

I'm looking forward to my second play through with a ranged class.

[Chris Brady]

LoL is a seductive bitch, she had her hooks in me for a while.

Brady- If you are in nightmare, WW might not be your friend. I had to fully change how I play barb to stay alive in some of these new encounters.

What lvl are you at Ryven? I'm currently 41 and taking on Act 2 on nightmare.

I am not in Nightmare yet.  I haven't finished normal yet.  And I'm REALLY annoyed at the game.  I was playing (on and off) a Hardcore DH.  And I died.  If it was MY fault, I wouldn't mind so much.  I zigged instead of zagged, that would be fine.  No, even though I KNEW about the server sync issue.  I got slammed back into a mob 3 times on Act 2 normal after vaulting twice.  I used all my discipline so I couldn't avoid those six normal mobs one last time.  Really pissed off.

And I've died seven times (in a row) in act 3 with may Barb, because of the same issue to Champions.  And I have all the defensive passives on that I can have at my level of 29.