A New Hope Without Vader [SWSE, LGBTQ+ Friendly]

[LSWSjr]

G’Day folks, another of my Star Wars campaigns has resulted in a post-ROTS galaxy that’s far far away from the norm and I thought I’d offer the associated follow-up campaign to everyone on E as well.

The Premise

Palpatine’s newly christened Sith Apprentice, Anakin Skywalker, was soundly disintegrated on Mustafar by a group of Confederate loyalists who’d come to the defence of their leaders. This resulted in the Clone Wars continuing on, but with the Republic turned Empire now at a significant disadvantage without the guidance of their Jedi generals in the wake of Order 66.

And now, nineteen years later, the exhaustion of these two waring factions has seen to the rise of a third player in the galactic scene, the Alliance (to Restore the Republic) who, with the aide of the Jedi remnant, hope to bring an end to this war once and for all... and you’re gonna help them.

The Player Characters

• Will either be members of, owned by or employed by, the Alliance or Jedi Order;
• Can be reimaginings of canon characters, such as one of the Force sensitive siblings Luke and Leia Amidala*;
• Start with 5 heroic levels (converted non-heroic droids count groupings of 1-4 non-heroic levels as 1 heroic level);
• Start with 25 (21 for droids without pre-set ability scores) point buy for abilities + level 4 increases;
• Start with both a Background/Manufacturer and (unfulfilled) Destiny of their choice; and
• Start with maximum credits for their 1st level class (2,000 for non-heroic droids) + 12,000 credits + any Wealth bonus.

The House Rules

• Instances of Skill Training taken as character level feats (1st, 3rd, 6th, etc) can choose any skill to train, not just those from their (multi-)class skill list;
• The Armor Specialist Talent Tree’s Armored Defense talent includes the benefits of the Improved Armored Defense talent from that same talent tree; and
• Droids may substitute an equivalent Str score for anything with a Con requirement.

The Content

• This game will mostly be focused around ‘on-foot’ smut-lite adventures, however I’m not opposed to characters bumping whatever uglies their species has, provided any plot stalling scenes are handled in the side threads I’ll provide. Additionally, I’m open to including space combat if there’s enough demand for it.

So, who’s interested?


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

*Canon characters will typically be assigned to whomever can whip up a sheet for them first and should ideally be age appropriate for level five, which means a lot of the Prequel Trilogy and Clone Wars characters will be off limits beyond the likes of Boba Fett. Level + Age appropriate takes on the cast of Rebels, Rogue One, The Force Unleashed, Jedi: Fallen Order and so on, are also acceptable.

[AndyZ]

Keeping an eye on this.

[Muse]

  Hi ho there! 

  I'm pretty busy right now, but I want you to k now that I am interested and will be applying.  I don't usually go for Jedi, but maybe a relation to Ayla Sekura this time. 

  Depends on what others want to play. 

[Muse]

  So I'm playing with a bunch of ideas right now.  One of those ideas is the daughter of a Moff who grows up best friends with her slave girl.  When they're both, like, sixteen or seventeen, she asks her father to emancipate the slave girl, and he refuses, so the two of them run away together and join the rebellion. 

  I could have a fun time playing either of those girls.  If I played the Daughter, she would be a human noble/soldier with talents from Noble Fencing.  She would join both the Noble Duelist and Officer prestige classes in later levels. 

  I could p lay the slave instead if someone was interested in playing the daughter. 

  Other concepts i'm playing with are:
--A Twi'lek Jedi related to Ayla Sekura somehow, probably a Sentinel. 
--A martial arts master. 
--A zabrack huntress with a full body green tatoo.  (This is one of my stock concepts, Shanta Greensong.)

  Or, since it's not an overly sexual game, an ithorian guy who is an opera singer and a doctor.  :) 

[LSWSjr]

Or, since it's not an overly sexual game, an ithorian guy who is an opera singer and a doctor.  :)

I’d love to see that character, but don’t count out anything sexual happening, more I just want to keep it out of the main adventuring threads so they move at a reasonable clip, as these sorts of games drag enough when we get to the combat :D

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

I am thinking of a Human Bounty hunter (scout 2) that bring in a bounty that had a dead jedi's lightsaber. Removes it from the person and a force spirit appears (Talent) and starts training as a Jedi (Jedi 3)

For the fun of it. the lightsaber happen to belong to Mace Windu

[LSWSjr]

I am thinking of a Human Bounty hunter (scout 2) that bring in a bounty that had a dead jedi's lightsaber. Removes it from the person and a force spirit appears (Talent) and starts training as a Jedi (Jedi 3)

For the fun of it. the lightsaber happen to belong to Mace Windu

Sounds good, I'll be keen to see them :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Muse likes to have armored defense as a free talent with armor proficiency. what do you think?

[Triggvi]

Did a rewrite on the charcater

[LSWSjr]

Muse likes to have armored defense as a free talent with armor proficiency. what do you think?

When I make changes like that, which I’ve now added above to the house rules, I usually have the Armored Defense talent include the benefit from the Improved Armored Defense talent. As to do what you’ve suggested would just hand all Soldiers a free talent :(

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Sounds like a good way to handle it by combining armored defense and improved armored defense.

[Muse]

*peeks*  Should this girl have intelligence 8 based on your points spent? 

[Triggvi]

I did her a 4 am this morning. I will fix that. Lol

[Juggtacular]

Very interested, although I have to admit I've never used this system before.

[LSWSjr]

Very interested, although I have to admit I've never used this system before.

A good place to start would be to check out this wiki.

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Muse]

I'm happy to help Juggs.  Drop me a Pm maybe? 

[Muse]

Name:      Doctor Fandomar
Player:      Tenshi the Muse of Fire
Class      Noble 3, Soldier 2
Destiny:      Rescue
Species:      Ithorean
Background:   Marooned

Age:         27
Gender:      Male
Sexuality:      Heterosexual polyamorous xenopheliac. 
Height:      6’9”
Weight:      255lbs
Skin:         Soft brown with red reddish-brown textures. 
Hair:         None
Eyes:      Large liquid black. 

History      Born on an Ithorian Herdship called the Little Frog, Fandomar excelled at traditional Ithorian pursuits such of life science.  He loved to sing all his life, and remembers his mother’s lullabies with great joy.  He studied medicine during his primary education, and attended a  prestigious university in the Core Worlds to study xeno medecine. 
   It was during this phase of his education that Fandomar developed two traits that would define him through his adult life.  Firstly, he would developed a refined erotic apreciation for alien women--particular but not limited o the humanoid form.  He cultivated several casual lovers whith whom he shared strong bonds of platoinc and erotic--if not romantic--affection.  He also took his love of music to a new level with a minor in the performing arts specializing in opera.  He performed in several university productions, taking special delight in the roll of the romantic villain. 
   Romantic heroes were nice too. 
   And it could be fun to perform swashbuckling rolls. 
   For physical fitness, he pursued a variety of martial arts.  While he didn’t really get into the spiritual studies associated with many martial arts, he spent several evenings of long hours of discussion with his sensei on those topics. 
   Fandomar become a doctor at the age of 27.  He wished to continue his studies, but with Chancelor Palpatine becoming Emperor, prejudice against non humans was on the rise.  Fandomar took a shuttle back to Little Frog, which was in orbit around a planetary wildlife preserve. 
   Here they found that two star destroyers were exchanging fire with Little Frog!  The Herdship had refused to surrender biological medicines to the imperials for two reasons--Fandomar later discovered.  The first was that the storm troopers who needed treatment had become infectued while peretrating a genocide.  The second was that the medicine was made from seeds, and in the amounts the imperials demanded, the species would become endangered. 
   Fandomar’s shuttle was shot down and crashed on the wildlife preserve.  The twi’lek girl pilot was able to hold the ship together and put it down without utter destruction.  She and Fandomar were injured but conscious, the others slain or badly injured.   
   While suffering a punctured liver, Fandomar retrieved medical supplies and began triage on the patients.  By the time he had saved four children, their parents were beyond help.  He made the hard choice to not waste medical supplies on those who were clearly--to his bioscanner--dead.  He then saved the pilot and himself. 
   For a year and a half, Fandomar, the twi’lek girl Tayla Vex, and the four children were marooned in the wilderness.  Fandomar took charge of the group, using his camping experience and knowledge of medicine and life science to help their impromptu family thrive.  Tayla was the first alien Fandomar truly loved, and the children woke many night’s, giggling at the twi’lek’s intimate cries and the ithorians’ passionate resonance. 
   The rescue came when a zabrak child--Morvan--noticed a ship running silent on its way into the system.  They managed to persuade the alliance ship to land with them.  They helped the Alliance members gather the herbal medicines they were seeking, then left together.  Fandomar and Tayla have both joined the Alliance  Their relationship has cooled to intimate friendship in the year since, but they still enjoy each other’s company when they meet up.  All four children are now being raised by Morovan’s aunt’s family.  The Alliance is keeping in touch with Morovan, believing his genius with computers could be a great asset some day. 

[LSWSjr]

Welcome aboard doctor :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Name:	Dela Phan
Player:	Triggvi
Classes:	Scoundrel 1 , Soldier 1, Jedi 3
Destiny:	Destruction
Species:	Umbaran
Background:	Exiled
Age:	22
Gender:	Female
Sexuality:	Pansexual
Height:	5'10"
Weight:	123 lbs
Skin:	Light blue
Hair:	Bald
Eyes:	Colorless

Backstory:

I come from the shadowy world of Umbara. It is a world steeped in tradition and turmoil. During the Clone Wars we had joined the Separatists only to be conquered a few years later by the Grand Army of the Republic. Of course when the Republic turned into the Empire things got much worse as we were considered subhuman by the rising legions of storm troopers.

My parents and I escaped Umbara when I was 13. We stowed away on an imperial supply transport that we later took when we were betrayed by the captain we had paid off. Unfortunately word got out about what we had done and we became wanted people Exiled from Umbara by imperial decree. We sold the ship and changed our names.
That lasted for a few years until a bounty hunter ran us down and decided we were worth more dead than alive. She got my parents before I was able to take her down. It was a hard time. I had very little money. I checked out this bounty hunter and found out she was practically unknown and wore a flight suit to conceal her identity. She was about my size. I reprogrammed her voice coder and took her identity. I buried my parents vowing to find a way to take down the Empire. I even turned in enough genetic material to claim the bounty on my parents and myself. So official w were dead and the Empire doesn’t care about dead subhumans only living ones.

As a bounty hunter I was reasonably successful. Made good money and tried my best to only take legitimate bounties for real crimes.

it was a few years later that I saw a bounty for a serial petty criminal called Sermo. For some reason this felt like a right bounty to hunt down. I did know why but the feeling was rather strong. It was on outer rim planet. He was held up in a pretty seedy side of town. Down on his luck and trying to sell what he considered to be a real lightsaber. That kind of sale can be worthwhile but a very dangerous business. Only the desperate or stupid try it.

When I found him he was getting ready to meet a buyer. I did what I always did and followed him under stealthy. He and the buyer hooked up in an abandoned building. I watched as they did their bit. He showed him the lightsaber was real. Then instead of giving the credits the buyer pulled a blaster and demanded it. That is when I stepped in. I hit them both with a stun grenade.

I grabbed Sermo and grabbed the Lightsaber he was about to give him. For the fun of it, I clicked the on switch and nothing happened. I wonder? So I searched him and found another identical lightsaber. I held it and switched it on and a purple blade came out. He was selling fake lightsabers using the real one as bait. Slick but dangerous. I turned him in for the bounty and his fake lightsaber. I told him if he told anyone he actually had a real one the Empire would torture him and kill him for that knowledge.

It was after that I started having dreams. They were benign at first. I remember them because they were of a proud jedi. Trained by the order birth his name was Mace Windu. After a while of the dreams this proud figure manifested while I was awake. Overtime he talked me into learning to use the force. Using the force lead me to find the Jedi remnants and join the Alliance.

[Silim]

Very interested, but I've only really played the FFG Star Wars system before. I was thinking about making a former Padawan/youngling that escaped Order 66, and is now hoping to help revive the Jedi Order by joining the Alliance. Pretty basic but fun concept, I think. Plenty of possible species for it, too. But since I dunno how to build a char in the system yet mechanically, I wanted to first ask if you'd be fine with a PC that knows/remembers a lot about the old Jedi Order.

Oh, and a hint or two on if its possible to build a telekinesis specialist, and how to do so, would also be appreciated. Thanks for your time!

[Muse]

I can help you with that,Silim!  Guy or gal? 

We're building Jugtacular a Jedi too, but he's mostly focused on ESP. 

So a "Force Wizard" type Jedi gets the most use out of Wisdom.  Wisdom determines how many major telekinetic powers--and others-- you can use in any given encounter.  Your Use the Force skill is based off of Charisma. 

Jedi aren't very skillful, so either having decent intelligence or being human helps.  (Humans get an extra trained skill.) 

Then if you want to be strong with you Lightsaber, maybe play up your dexterity a bit and take Weapon finesse?  When you get tot he Jedi knight prestige class there's a talent to do damage with dexterity. 

[Silim]

Thanks for the offer! I was thinking about making a gal, and trying to recreate Hira Darksun in the now third system for her... hey, maybe this game will be the one to stick around and stick the landing. I was gonna go with Echani for her, but since at least on the wiki that species isn't statted, Human would be the go-to anyway. Having more dexterity rather than strength also fits with being an Echani, even if I won't be using unarmed combat but a lightsaber instead.

I don't really see anything regarding Prestige Classes on the wiki linked above, but I assume they work similarly to the ones in 3.5 D&D and Pathfinder. Is there a more Force-focused prestige class too, or is Jedi Knight the usual next step after Jedi?

[Muse]

  This game has it's own classes and prestige classes. 

  I know the Knights of the Old Republic setting has some stuff on Echani Martial Arts, but i think the species itself falls under "Near Human." 

*  *  *

  Hey Jugs, was it your intention for your character to be born after Mace's death? 

[Juggtacular]

  This game has it's own classes and prestige classes. 

  I know the Knights of the Old Republic setting has some stuff on Echani Martial Arts, but i think the species itself falls under "Near Human." 

*  *  *

  Hey Jugs, was it your intention for your character to be born after Mace's death?

No. He would've been born the year of Order 66, or a year or two after. Mace's death was never confirmed in the canon, and Sam Jackson and George Lucas both confirmed that as powerful a Jedi as he was, it made perfect sense for him to have survived. So in this instance after he was blasted out the window, he would've taken some time to heal up, got a prosthetic arm, found a new job, and a woman to help keep himself off the radar. Then he would've actually fallen for her with no more Jedi Order around to forbid his romance and Kaine would've been conceived shortly after that. So he'd be between 17-19 years old and have been trained by his father up until his death from whatever reason.

[Muse]

   You should discuss that with Trigvii, then, since Trigvii's character is being instructed by Mace's ghosts, to the point where its' a class feature. 

[Juggtacular]

We're talking in pm's now.

[Silim]

I think I've got a basic idea of the mechanics part now of the sheet. I'll finish it up sometime tomorrow, and get up a real profile here with a fully written out backstory and such done. Until then, have a nice image I found and will be using as an appearance:

[Triggvi]

I think I've got a basic idea of the mechanics part now of the sheet. I'll finish it up sometime tomorrow, and get up a real profile here with a fully written out backstory and such done. Until then, have a nice image I found and will be using as an appearance:

There are a lot talents and feats to will want and not all of them are in the corebook

[LSWSjr]

The big thing with Jedi is working out how they approach things, as they suffer the most from MAD and overall being spread too thin.

Leaning on Dex for Lightsaber combat means taking an extra feat and at least one level in a prestige class for an associated talent to get the same benefit as you would just from having an equivalent Str score, but then your Dex bonus to Reflex Defense may end up lower. Of course, one could compensate for the lower Dex with Jedi and Force Sensitive defensive talents like Block, Deflect and Damage Reduction 10 and/or Force Powers like Energy Resistance, Force Shield and Negate Energy :)

One of the best things about Saga Edition is that it's fairly unlikely that two Human Jedi 5 will have similar builds, which can't be said of most other d20 systems :)


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Silim]

Yeah, there's certainly a lot of approaches. I'm playing around with Sagasheet right now to see where and how I want to approach this character.

@LSWSjr, would you be alright with me potentially taking Telekinetic Prodigy from the Force Unleashed Campaign Guide?


Edit: After some consideration, I'm now torn between going with 14 dex/wis/cha, 11 int, and focusing on increasing dex and cha (meaning 3 force powers for each feat invested, or 4 if I take Prodigy), and being more of a Hybrid with telekinesis and lightsaber combat, or going 15 wis/cha, 11 int, and leaving everything else at 10. Would end up with vastly more in the Force Suite, but I'm not sure if having 20+ force powers each combat is really necessary? That distribution could also rely on Kinetic Combat, and while that's a neat power, I feel like using it exclusively when trying to use the lightsaber offensively is almost a bit cheesy. If I go with hybrid, will I massively hamper myself? I know that some d20 systems really hate it when you don't specialize heavily. Also, any multi-classing options I should look at for either choice?

For now, here, have a profile with at least a few choices made:

Name: Hira Darksun
Player: Silim
Age: 32
Species: Human (Echani)
Gender: Female
Sexuality: Bisexual
Background: Planet of Origin: Coruscant
Destiny: Discovery (Lost Jedi Lore)
Class: Jedi ? / Potential Multiclass
Height: 1.70m
Weight: 76kg
Skin: Pale
Hair: White/silver
Eyes: Silver

Backstory: Hira Darksun was born on Coruscant in rather rare circumstances, as her mother was a former Jedi Knight that had left the Order when she felt unable to keep true to the tenants and rules set forth by the council, feeling that isolating oneself from love was alienating herself from the galaxy at large. Hira's father was an exceptional individual as well, serving multiple senators throughout the years as a personal spy and scout. As was to be expected, Hira was strong in the Force, incredibly so. And her mother came to realize something: The only ones who'd be able to keep her daughter on the correct path would be her former Jedi colleagues, as she had noticed that the man she thought she loved was keeping a lot of potentially very threatening secrets, as well as a penchant for the darker aspects of the spy life.

Hira was given to the Jedi Order when she was three years old, and her mother disappeared without a trace shortly after. Growing up as a youngling of the Jedi Order, she was a gifted student, kind, the model future Jedi most masters would love to raise up as their own Padawan. However, by the time she was nearly of age to start her direct studies, the Clone Wars broke out. As the dark shadow of doom and gloom began to cloud over the Republic, Hira's dreams were filled with unclear, dark visions of the future, warnings and doom-sayings that limited her progress. She found solace in meditation at the great fountain of the temple on Coruscant.

Still, she was eventually picked up by a Jedi Knight to train her, a young man called Jareth Oriss - a former Mandalorian that had joined the Jedi Order through rather strange circumstances himself. Sadly, she only received a few years worth of training - even being involved in minor ways with the Clone Wars - before Palpatine reached for absolute power and declared Order 66 in effect. Thankfully, Jareth and Hira weren't on Coruscant directly, but on a frontier world involved in the Clone Wars. With their Clone Troopers suddenly turning on them, Jareth bought Hira enough time to escape, but didn't make it to their ship by the agreed upon time - and worse, a few troopers found Hira instead, and she was forced to kill them and escape without Jareth before more arrived.

For a few months, Hira attempted to find her master, before eventually having to accept that he had been killed. To make matters worse, the death spreading throughout the galaxy, and the oppression of the Empire coupled with ongoing war, had a terrible effect on her mind. In her meditations, she saw flashes of the temple's fountain crushed and destroyed, and forcefully cut herself off from the Force and hid away, defeated.

A glimmer of hope took years to reach her. Four years ago, by chance, she stumbled across a smuggler on another frontier world getting accosted for helping 'subversive elements' against the Empire, and was about to be executed without trial. Finding herself unable to do nothing, she reached out through the Force, and her strength surged back - like an old sluice gate opening. With Lightsaber in hand, she saved the unknown man, potentially dooming herself to being found out by the Inquisitorious now that her re-emergence had caused a slight disturbance in the Force. But thankfully, the smuggler accused of rebellion... Was actually an outfitter for the slowly building up rebel cells that would later come together as the full Alliance to restore the Republic.

Leaving with him, Hira was amazed to meet so many that still kept up the good fight - even if victory seemed unreachable, they wanted to stop the endless war in the galaxy, wanted to help people. Dedicating herself to their cause, she trained again, re-discovering her old talents and acquiring new ones. Even if she was technically only a failed Padawan, she'd stand up against cruelty and evil once more, and become the kind of Jedi that the galaxy needed.



Edit Nr. 2: I couldn't leave well enough alone and so I've thrown together a stat block (still missing rolled HP, and haven't spent the starting credits yet). I've decided to go Hybrid, cause I think hyper-focusing won't get the real "movie Jedi" feeling I want to capture: I want Hira to be an agile Jedi who relies on a lot of telekinetic powers still, so I'm picking as many of them as I can. I plan on investing most future general feats into further Force powers, with talents and bonus feats used to round out melee. I imagine Deflect will be far more important right away than Block, but if there's suddenly an Inquisitor in front of us before I can pick it up... then hey, I got some telekinetic shenanigans to make sure he won't wreck me immediately. I hope. The 11 Int is to eventually get another skill, since I don't know if I want to take that many levels of Jedi Knight beyond what I need for dex to damage. Also, what are some ways to get my defenses up? Since Deflect, Block, Force Shield and Negate Energy can only go so far, I think. I plan on boosting Dex and Wis up higher with more ASIs.

Hira Darksun            CL 5

Medium Human Jedi 5
Init +4; Senses Perception +4
Languages Basic, High Galactic

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 16), Fort 16, Will 18; Deflect
hp 30; second wind +10/15; Threshold 16

Speed  6 squares
Melee lightsaber +7 (2d8+2)
Ranged  by weapon +7
Base Atk +5; Grp +7
Special Actions Telekinetic Savant 1/encounter
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +14) farseeing, Force grip, Force shield, Force slam, Force stun, Force thrust, move object (3), negate energy, draw closer, hawk-bat swoop

Abilities Str 10, Dex 15, Con 10, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 14
Talents Deflect, Telekinetic Prodigy, Telekinetic Savant
Feats Force Sensitivity, Force Training (3), Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Finesse, Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Knowledge (technology) +7, Mechanics +7, Use the Force +14
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +4, Climb +2, Deception +4, Endurance +2, Gather Information +4, Initiative +4, Jump +2, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +2, Knowledge (galactic lore) +2, Knowledge (life sciences) +2, Knowledge (physical sciences) +2, Knowledge (social sciences) +2, Knowledge (tactics) +2, Perception +4, Persuasion +4, Pilot +4, Ride +4, Stealth +4, Survival +4, Swim +2, Treat Injury +4, Use Computer +2
Possessions lightsaber




Also going to include a dropbox link that'll auto-update to the Sagasheet I took this output from.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/76n093ngfge4vue/hira%20hybrid.xlsm?dl=0

[LSWSjr]

@LSWSjr, would you be alright with me potentially taking Telekinetic Prodigy from the Force Unleashed Campaign Guide?

All official books, errata, supplements and web enhancements are good to go... with the exception of weapons, armor, equipment, droids, ships, etc that were developed after A New Hope, which is mainly the later Rebellion Era, New Republic and Legacy Era stuff... so Telekinetic Prodigy is perfectly fine.

Also, just to clarify how the talent works, you only get one extra telekinetic power per instance of Force Training taken WHEN/AFTER gaining this talent where you've picked Move Object. However, the designers clarified that if your Wisdom increases after gaining this talent, any new instances of Move Object taken for each of those previous Force Training feats will retroactively grant bonus telekinetic powers as per Telekinetic Prodigy. So for example, if you take Telekinetic Prodigy as your 3rd level talent, had previously taken Force Training at level 1 and then increased your Wis to an even number at level 4, you could take Move Object as a result of the Wis increase for the level 1 feat to gain a bonus telekinetic power.

Edit: After some consideration, I'm now torn between going with 14 dex/wis/cha, 11 int, and focusing on increasing dex and cha (meaning 3 force powers for each feat invested, or 4 if I take Prodigy), and being more of a Hybrid with telekinesis and lightsaber combat, or going 15 wis/cha, 11 int, and leaving everything else at 10. Would end up with vastly more in the Force Suite, but I'm not sure if having 20+ force powers each combat is really necessary? That distribution could also rely on Kinetic Combat, and while that's a neat power, I feel like using it exclusively when trying to use the lightsaber offensively is almost a bit cheesy. If I go with hybrid, will I massively hamper myself? I know that some d20 systems really hate it when you don't specialize heavily. Also, any multi-classing options I should look at for either choice?

You've come across the MAD problem I mentioned earlier, so with a lot of Jedi characters I think it's usually better to primarily focus on both Wisdom (unless you're avoiding Force Powers entirely) and whatever ability score you're going to use to hit things with, be it Strength or Dexterity for weapons or Charisma for Force Powers. The reason for this is that being able to hit things is the biggest problems characters face, especially when facing enemies with heroic levels, as the Fortitude, Reflex and Will Defenses increase by +1 with each heroic level and that applies for both the players and elite enemies.

Force powers typically give folks an edge in this regard, as different ones target different defenses, as opposed to weapons which typically target Reflex and maybe Fortitude in the case of poisons and the like. So using a selection of powers that target the different defenses can be a good strategy and allows you to focus on Charisma without worrying too much about your Str or Dex or the majority of feats and talents focused on normal combat. It's part of the reason why people think of Force users as broken and yet also why their number of powers per encounter are even more limited than that of your average d20 spellcaster, especially at high levels.

I imagine Deflect will be far more important right away than Block, but if there's suddenly an Inquisitor in front of us before I can pick it up... then hey, I got some telekinetic shenanigans to make sure he won't wreck me immediately. I hope. The 11 Int is to eventually get another skill, since I don't know if I want to take that many levels of Jedi Knight beyond what I need for dex to damage. Also, what are some ways to get my defenses up? Since Deflect, Block, Force Shield and Negate Energy can only go so far, I think. I plan on boosting Dex and Wis up higher with more ASIs.

In terms of defensive options for Force users, Damage Reduction 10 from the Control Talent Tree in the corebook is excellent, although again, not great against a lightsaber wielding Inquisitor, and its 1 Force Point cost can be negated with Force Harmony from the Control Talent Tree options in the Jedi Academy Training Manual.

Another is Elusive Target from the Jedi Guardian Talent Tree in the corebook, as it gives a -5 penalty to those shooting you whilst you attack their buddies in melee.

I also wanted to warn you that, whilst initially very powerful, Block and Deflect go on to give diminishing returns the more levels you gain, as defenses and the BAB of combat characters both grow at +1 per level, whilst you'll only gain +1 to Use the Force every TWO levels; and because Block and Deflect are both reactions, they conflict with other feats, talents and powers that activate on reaction to an attack (such as Negate Energy or Force Shield) as you may only take one reaction for each inciting action or effect.

Hira Darksun            CL 5

Medium Human Jedi 5
Init +4; Senses Perception +4
Languages Basic, High Galactic

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 16), Fort 16, Will 18; Deflect
hp 30; second wind +10/15; Threshold 16

Speed  6 squares
Melee lightsaber +7 (2d8+2)
Ranged  by weapon +7
Base Atk +5; Grp +7
Special Actions Telekinetic Savant 1/encounter
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +14) farseeing, Force grip, Force shield, Force slam, Force stun, Force thrust, move object (3), negate energy, draw closer, hawk-bat swoop

Abilities Str 10, Dex 15, Con 10, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 14
Talents Deflect, Telekinetic Prodigy, Telekinetic Savant
Feats Force Sensitivity, Force Training (3), Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Finesse, Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Knowledge (technology) +7, Mechanics +7, Use the Force +14
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +4, Climb +2, Deception +4, Endurance +2, Gather Information +4, Initiative +4, Jump +2, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +2, Knowledge (galactic lore) +2, Knowledge (life sciences) +2, Knowledge (physical sciences) +2, Knowledge (social sciences) +2, Knowledge (tactics) +2, Perception +4, Persuasion +4, Pilot +4, Ride +4, Stealth +4, Survival +4, Swim +2, Treat Injury +4, Use Computer +2
Possessions lightsaber

Okay, just from taking a quick once over:

• I'm not sure where she gained High Galactic from, maybe her Background?
• Consider dropping Str to 9 so you can increase Int to 12, Str is the only ability that still provides a bonus (to carrying/lifting) at odd levels and at worst she's only going to suffer a -1 with melee to hit and damage rolls, part of which you've already covered with Weapon Finesse and can resolve the damage modifier if/when she becomes a Jedi Knight
• Due to how Telekinetic Savant works for retroactive instances of Force Training, Wisdom would be 14, as the character needed to take Telekinetic Prodigy at level 1, Telekinetic Savant at level 3 and then increased Wisdom from 13 to 14 at level 4 to have Telekinetic Prodigy apply to the two instances of Force Training taken at level 1
• Negate Energy and Force Shield both conflict with Deflect, so you'll need to either pick a different talent or pick two different powers, suggestions would be talents like Damage Reduction 10 and Elusive Target or utility powers like Force Track, Mind Trick, Surge, Technometry and Vital Transfer
• On the topic of Force powers in general, she needs a better spread of them, as Force Grip, Force Slam and Force Stun all target Fortitude defense, whilst she has nothing that really targets Will defense. Force Thrust targets Strength+BAB+Size; Move Object targets Reflex and sometimes Will defense; and Lightsaber Form powers Draw Closer and Hawk-Bat Swoop don't target anything as they rely on her to hit something (if successful) with a lightsaber attack. After looking at her options, maybe consider swapping Force Stun for Mind Shard or Thought Bomb

Hope all of that helps :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Silim]

Kay that BS with Force Prodigy is just a badly written talent then... it should just retroactively give an extra telekinetic power for each time Move Object was taken with a Fore Training instance. That much is just obvious. Needing to start my Wis at 13 and then improving it to 14 to get around bad writing is the way to deal with it I suppose. Especially annoying with how retroactive-friendly the system otherwise is. I'll work it over in my sagasheet and get an updated stat block up.

I don't mind not being "the best" at either saber or telekinesis so long as I can do both decently enough.

• High Galactic is free from the "planet of origin" background
• Int is left at 11 intentionally, I want to (way later on) MC a level of Noble or Scoundrel and also get the int bonus to train in Diplomacy.
• I intentionally have more than 1 way to defend myself... Deflect doesn't work against Sonic weapons, for example. Resist Energy does.
• Good catch on needing to target a few other defenses, but Mind Shard and Thought Bomb absolutely don't fit the character. I'll look the powers over and see what else I could take.

Edit: First update to the stat block:

Hira Darksun            CL 5

Medium Human Jedi 5
Init +4; Senses Perception +4
Languages Basic, High Galactic

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 16), Fort 17, Will 18; Deflect
hp 35; second wind +12/17; Threshold 17

Speed  6 squares
Melee lightsaber +7 (2d8+2)
Ranged  by weapon +7
Base Atk +5; Grp +7
Special Actions Telekinetic Savant 1/encounter
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +14) farseeing, Force grip, Force shield, Force slam, mind trick, move object (3), negate energy, surge, draw closer, hawk-bat swoop

Abilities Str 9, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 11, Wis 14, Cha 14
Talents Deflect, Telekinetic Prodigy, Telekinetic Savant
Feats Force Sensitivity, Force Training (3), Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Finesse, Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Knowledge (technology) +7, Mechanics +7, Use the Force +14
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +4, Climb +1, Deception +4, Endurance +3, Gather Information +4, Initiative +4, Jump +1, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +2, Knowledge (galactic lore) +2, Knowledge (life sciences) +2, Knowledge (physical sciences) +2, Knowledge (social sciences) +2, Knowledge (tactics) +2, Perception +4, Persuasion +4, Pilot +4, Ride +4, Stealth +4, Survival +4, Swim +1, Treat Injury +4, Use Computer +2
Possessions lightsaber

[LSWSjr]

Kay that BS with Force Prodigy is just a badly written talent then... it should just retroactively give an extra telekinetic power for each time Move Object was taken with a Fore Training instance. That much is just obvious. Needing to start my Wis at 13 and then improving it to 14 to get around bad writing is the way to deal with it I suppose. Especially annoying with how retroactive-friendly the system otherwise is.

Especially true with your point on how much can be retroactively gained in SWSE, which is why they offered that clarification that allows you to gain bonus telekinetic powers without otherwise contradicting how the talent is meant to work, because technically you'd still be learning Move Object after taking Telekinetic Prodigy to gain the benefit.

Either way, your reshuffle has resulted in a positive Con modifier now, giving her the benefits of the Toughness feat and then some :)

• High Galactic is free from the "planet of origin" background

As I guessed, could you (and any of the other players reading this) make sure to include your background somewhere on your statblock, maybe before languages?

• Int is left at 11 intentionally, I want to (way later on) MC a level of Noble or Scoundrel and also get the int bonus to train in Diplomacy.

Ahh, looking to save yourself taking the Force Persuasion talent, fair enough.

• I intentionally have more than 1 way to defend myself... Deflect doesn't work against Sonic weapons, for example. Resist Energy does.

Okay, well just remember to activate things like Negate Energy and Force Shield before using Deflect, as you don't want its cumulative penalties making things harder.


Beyond that, you just need to spend you credits, was there anything you had questions on?


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Silim]

I think most of my questions are answered now, thanks for your patience. If anything comes up as I see how to spend my credits I'll be sure to let you know! When I get the next stat block out I'll make sure to include the background.

[Muse]

My favorite way to maximize on negate energy is to not use it 'til i've been hit once or twice, then use a force to when i do use it so that it heals me.  :)

[BadSister]

Hell! I'd be up for making a character if your still taking them and if your alright with me not playing with this system before.

[LSWSjr]

Hell! I'd be up for making a character if your still taking them and if your alright with me not playing with this system before.

Of course, I think that would bring us up to a solid five?

There's a link on the first page, to a wiki which has most of the rules and don't hesitate to post or PM any questions you might have :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Hell! I'd be up for making a character if your still taking them and if your alright with me not playing with this system before.

Not a hard system to play. What kind of concept are thinking you would like to play?

[BadSister]

I'm thinking I'll be a Heavy Armoured Soldier Replica Droid. Though I can't decide if i should do heavy weapons, or dual wield blaster rifles using Stabilized Mounts, or if I should not lose my mobility... Hard choices.

[Muse]

  Pleased to meet you. 

  I would suggest heavy weapons because they also allow you to be a ship's gunner, but Rowan said this would be ground focused. 

  I'm not sure about stabilized mounts...  Or maybe I am.  :)  Mounted Weapons outlaw tech armor modifications sounds like it might cover that. 

  If you're worried about mobility, well, characters in saga edition can do perfectly fine with no armor at all, but for a highly mobile heavily armored person, notice the Armor Specialist talent Juggernaut, to move full speed in armor. 

[BadSister]

  Pleased to meet you. 

  I would suggest heavy weapons because they also allow you to be a ship's gunner, but Rowan said this would be ground focused. 

  I'm not sure about stabilized mounts...  Or maybe I am.  :)  Mounted Weapons outlaw tech armor modifications sounds like it might cover that. 

  If you're worried about mobility, well, characters in saga edition can do perfectly fine with no armor at all, but for a highly mobile heavily armored person, notice the Armor Specialist talent Juggernaut, to move full speed in armor. 

Hey! Yeah as far as the stabilized mounts go, I'm referring to the droid appendage. "For five times the listed cost and weight, a Tool Appendage can be stabilized so that it can hold a larger Weapon. This allows the Droid to use that Weapon as if it was wielded in two hands." Now if I read this correct, that means I could hold two, two handed rifles at the same time, which sounds pretty awesome if that's how it works.

[BadSister]

Kira Fel

Name: Kira Fel (Droid designation HRD-84C)
Player: BadSister
Class: Soldier lvl 4, Independent Droid level 1
Destiny: Discover (Maker/programmer)
Species: Replica Droid
Background: Marooned

Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

Age: (Manufactured)16
Gender: Female
Sexuality: Bi
Height: 5'8
Weight: 130
Skin:   White
Hair:   Ashy Blonde
Eyes: Blue

Blank was developed and manufactured by the Imperial Military Department of Advanced Weapons Research on a research star base. The department is an agency of the Galactic Empire responsible for the development of emerging technologies for use by the military, including Human replica droids, or HRDs, which were sophisticated synthskin and biofiber-covered droids designed to be nearly indistinguishable from Humans. Their intended purpose was to infiltrate and replace officials inside the Alliance, made to be a spy.

HRD-84C was created to infiltrate and murder Dr. Kira Fel, a known Alliance sympathizer and collaborator. To succeed HRD-84C was installed with a high capacity processor for creative interpretations of orders, and self teaching algorithms to maintain a believable semblance of Dr. Kira Fell's intellect. She was programmed a adequate knowledge of mechanics to repair her synthetic skin when needed, as well to mimic Dr. Fels astute learning in engineering as well as deception. Lastly the droid was designated as a 4th-Degree Droid Model, specializing in combat and weapons, she was a born killer.

HRD hunted down Fel in her home, murdering and disintegrating her body before assuming her identity. As per her orders, she blended in with Dr. Fel's community, making sure to continue the good Dr.'s day to day activities as the Dr.'s dossier showed. It required a great deal of subtly and nuisance to avoid detection, forcing the droid to develop and grow to keep up the facade to the best of It's abilities. Finally after months of placating and waiting for contact from the Alliance, she received a message, and discovered several Alliance cells scattered on the planet.

Over the next year HRD assassinated many affiliates related to the Alliance, all while maintaining the Dr.'s social relationships and contacts. One in particular Xizor Thrum, a Zabrak women who was apparently good friends with Dr. Fel was extremely active in HRD's life, often visiting  with food, asking her out to walk and talk. To HRD's surprise Xizor noticed the changes in Dr. Fel's behavior... HRD nearly reached out a snapped her neck from this admission, but something held her back. Xizor was merely worried about Fel's and wanted to make sure everything was alright with her, wearing a kind sympathetic smile, beaming with a warm radiance that came with good hearted people. This encounter disturbed HRD, feeling as though she was becoming far too close to human, becoming attached to these creatures of flesh, not wanting to disrupt her primary objective to dismantle all and every Alliance Cell she could find.

Everything changed when HRD received the order to murder Xizor. The thought of doing so made her feel a horrible twisting pain in her gut, something she thought was apart of her social programming to trick people into thinking she was real, was she real? She could sense that her capacity of understanding and reason was beginning to exceed her original programming. It was like a realizing that she was a slave, a slave without a choice. The thought made her grit her teeth, made her want to scream, to escape the overwhelming pressure to kill her own friend. But how can one deny what they are? She was a killer, synthetic, not real. A tool for The Empire to use. Her kind had no rights, she wasn't a person, she was a thing. That night she invited her friend to her house, and killed her.

Something snapped in her after that night, broke, shattered. Later it would be said the droids' self-awareness was so advanced that they ultimately rejected their programming as a decoy. She left the planet, and her mission to escape what she'd done, and the nightmares that followed her. Unique among droids, the HRD series simulated sleep, had dreams approximated to human ones. She left to the outer Rim, finding a Black Market droid dealer, and paying him to disable her central commands, leaving her will to herself without the vile impulse to murder from a mere order. She stayed in the outer rim for sometime, her hate for the Empire growing at seeing how they enslave everything they touch, a new sense of appreciation for freedom and self. Her remorse however was also seeping deep inside her for the killing of her friend, eternally haunted by her memory.

She did the only thing she could do to forget and used the only skill set she had, she became a hired gun for the Huts. She only took missions that she designated as appropriate, never crossing the Alliance, taking every opportunity to undermined the totalitarian slave master of the Empire. Kira took a sadistic pleasure in killing her enemies, she wasn't sure if this was some base remnant of her primary directive, or another emerging glitch. She liked to believe that somehow it was her becoming more real, more like a person, though deep down she new that was a fantasy. 

She explored herself, developing and becoming more than the sum of her parts, experimenting with anything she could find to make her feel more alive somehow, more like a real person. She made friends in the outer rim, though she never fully could fit in socially, being aloof and odd much of the time. One of the side effects have having one's central commands wiped. Oddly she enjoyed the quirks she developed, seeing them as a "personality", though she new it was more likely a glitch in her system. She delighted in interacting with people, enjoying being in their company and listening to their stories. She explored every facet of what it meant to be alive, and free.... Sex, drugs, friendships. She knew these sensations were a Facsimile of real ones, a mimicry... but she didn't care, it felt real enough to her to forget for a time. She would often be at cantinas, and spaceports, sitting and watching the crowds. She was a mirror, a shadow on the wall, not like them. The proof was everywhere, droids were tools to everyone, just like she was. 

As the years passed, she became more and more interested in her self discovery, her place in the universe... a sort of self induced existential crisis. A pull in her needed to know who she is, what she is. There was only one person that could tell her, her creator. To this day she still seeks out information on he made the HRD series, trying to find her 'Father' in a hopeless attempt at being a person. In the meantime she actively has been taking jobs working for the Alliance against the Empire, trying to find some redemption for Xizor, secretly ashamed and mourning her dead friend. 

[Triggvi]

One thing. People are starting at level 5. You might also want 1 level of independent droid.

[LSWSjr]

Hey! Yeah as far as the stabilized mounts go, I'm referring to the droid appendage. "For five times the listed cost and weight, a Tool Appendage can be stabilized so that it can hold a larger Weapon. This allows the Droid to use that Weapon as if it was wielded in two hands." Now if I read this correct, that means I could hold two, two handed rifles at the same time, which sounds pretty awesome if that's how it works.

The thing is, in Star Wars, they usually look like this:

With a modified version of the weapon designed to attach to their lower arm... another famous non-Star Wars example would be this:

So for the sake of consistency with how other droids use stabilised tool mounts, I’d say her weapon attachments need to have been modified in advance (so no swapping it for another weapon that she found mid battle) and whenever Kira intends to use two simultaneously she needs someone to help attach and detach the second at the very least.

Also she does need to drop to level 5, ideally with one of those levels being Independent Droid 1, unless you’d like to work out an NPC owner with me?


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[BadSister]

I adjusted her level to be solier four, independent one!

Hmmm, yeah the duel wielding blasters doesn't seem so hot when you put it that way.

The thing is, in Star Wars, they usually look like this:

With a modified version of the weapon designed to attach to their lower arm... another famous non-Star Wars example would be this:

So for the sake of consistency with how other droids use stabilised tool mounts, I%u2019d say her weapon attachments need to have been modified in advance (so no swapping it for another weapon that she found mid battle) and whenever Kira intends to use two simultaneously she needs someone to help attach and detach the second at the very least.

Also she does need to drop to level 5, ideally with one of those levels being Independent Droid 1, unless you%u2019d like to work out an NPC owner with me?


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

But I'll keep brainstorming exactly how I'd build her. I'm up for suggestions in terms of effective builds.

[Juggtacular]

The B2 Battle Droids had embedded blasters that ejected from the tops of their arms. She could have something similar if you're still trying to go that route. She'd just have to have smaller caliber ones installed.

[BadSister]

That could be cool, maybe have one where the hand is fully converted to being a gun, and the other coming out of her forearm like the pic. But totally up to LSWSjr.

Alternatively I suppose she could just get help installing the guns on her appendages before It's likely time to get into a battle. But someone would need some mechanics skills to be able to do that reliably.   

[Triggvi]

As a droid you can have more than two appendages.

[Triggvi]

Take the Rifle Master feat with heavy blaster rifle you will up the Damage to 3d12

[BadSister]

I was also thinking devastating attack with rifle as well.

[LSWSjr]

You actually have a couple of really solid options, which both make use of internalized storage and a specific item upgrade:

• for 500 credits and an upgrade slot (as it's giving up the space to be smaller), she can have custom weapons which are half their normal weight and which are a size category smaller. This would make a small pistol=>tiny to fit in her hand/wrist, a medium rifle=>small to hide in her lower arm and a large rifle=>medium to hide in her upper leg.
• Kira could conceal items and weapons in her arms, at the cost of 2 x (50 + (50 x the item/weapon weight in kilos, rounded up to a full kilo)), which use the miniaturized weight where applicable and would necessitate short or rolled up sleeves to ensure it was freely accessible.
  Note: A weapon concealed/incorporated in such a way could be modified, just as the stabilized weapons were, to run off a droid's own internal battery and be fired without the droid needing to hold them, however they still need to be (quick) drawn/readied as any normal weapon would before use.
• for 500 credits she could have a hidden holster installed, which is built into her leg and would necessitate wearing skirts to ensure it was freely accessible. This holster can fit any medium or smaller weapon (including a miniaturized large=>medium weapon) and obviously you can have one of these holsters hidden in multiple legs for 500 credits each.

With these options, Kira could take:

• a (pair of) hand/wrist internalized miniaturized blaster pistol(s) for 500 + 500 + 2 x (50 + (50 x 0.5, rounded up to 1) = 1,200 credits (each);
• a (pair of) lower arm internalized blaster pistol(s) for 500 + 2 x (50 + (50 x 1) = 700 credits (each);
• a (pair of) lower arm internalized miniaturized blaster rifle(s) for 500 + 1,000 + 2 x (50 + (50 x 2.25, rounded up to 3) = 1,700 credits (each);
  Note: Kira could combine options 1. and 2. and fire up to four pistols as a Full Round Action using Triple Attack (Pistols), with Dual Weapon Mastery and/or Multiattack Proficiency (Pistols) to reduce the associated penalties; and she's also free to instead combine options 1. and 3. to carry multiple types of weapons to suit different situations.
• a pair of internally thigh-holstered miniaturized blaster rifles, that she could wield like twin pistols, for 2 x (500 + 1,000 + 500) = 4,000 credits*; and
• an internally thigh-holstered miniaturized heavy repeating blaster rifle for 500 + 2,000 + 500 = 3,000 credits*
  Note: The internal thigh-holsters only need to be paid for once (each), so she could take both options 4. and 5. for a total of 6,500 credits and then occasionally swap the contents of one holster.

Kira's also free to substitute any of these weapons with similar sized equivalents for whatever they might cost, although keep in mind that miniaturized melee weapons have their damage dice lower by one die type (eg from 2d8 to 2d6).

Also Devastating Attack is definitely worth your time :)


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[LSWSjr]

I should also mention, that after thinking up some of these ideas, I can't help but imagine an acrobatic android that has a truckload of weapons that are either pulled from or just pop up all over their body :D

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Silim]

"Where does this android have guns hidden?!" "Yes."

[Juggtacular]

And if she's spinning around at weird angles and shooting off like a robot tornado like IG-11 it will be amazing.

[LSWSjr]

I've put together a collection of weapons for every slot that were still within Kira's starting budget, however they prioritize versatility over dual wielding:

• Hand Incorporated - Miniaturized Snare Pistol (Tiny) for 1,330 credits, allows you to fire a cord that entangles enemies
• Hand Incorporated - Miniaturized Sonic Disruptor (Tiny Pistol) for 2,200 credits, disintegrates your targets and considers their Damage Threshold -5 lower, but can only be fired once per two rounds
• Arm Incorporated - Miniaturized SoroSuub Firelance (Small Rifle) for 2,120 credits, one of the best stunning weapons around, which is helped by Devastating Attack (Rifles)
• Arm Incorporated - Miniaturized Ion Rifle (Small) for 1,680 credits, good for damaging and stunning rival droids
• Leg Holster (+500 credits) - Miniaturized Concussion Rifle (Medium) for 3,180 credits, targets Fortitude instead of Reflex and knocks targets prone on a successful hit, but only deals 2d10 damage
• Leg Holster (+500 credits) - Miniaturized BlasTech DLT-20A (Medium Rifle) for 2,560 credits, an accurate heavy blaster rifle with a bunch of neat perks

Note: All of the costs listed above include the license fees, unlike my previous suggestions and come in at 14,070 credits for the lot (if I math'd good) :D


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Are you house ruling to allow hidden holster to do the same size weapon as the droid?

Hidden Holster
Some fourth - degree droids lack built-in weapons attached directly to the
droid's appendages. This attachment gives a droid access to a weapon without
having to visibly carry it. Installed in a droid's leg, the holster can hold a
weapon on size category smaller than the droid, or smaller. As a free action,
the droid can activate the holster, which opens up, providing access to the
weapon. The hidden holster provides the benefit of the Quick Draw feat with
whatever weapon the droid is keeping in the holster-the droid can draw or
holster the weapon as a swift action . To gain this benefit, the droid must
have the feat's +1 base attack bonus prerequisite.

[LSWSjr]

Ahh, this is one of those questions they prepared us for back at the Ol' D20 Radio Academy (TM) :D

IIRC holsters work off the weapon's 'object size' which determines how large or small it literally is, as opposed to the weapon's 'combat size' which determines how easy it is for small, medium and large(r) characters to wield it.

Here's the rather obscure section that explains things much better than I can...

So a 'medium weapon' is actually two size categories smaller than a medium character and thus will fit in her internalized holster :)


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[LSWSjr]

By RAW it also technically means a 'large weapon' will fit in her leg holster, but I thought that was unrealistic so restricted it to 'medium weapons'

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[BadSister]

I'm sorta loving the concept of her being essentially a walking acrobat terminator, and it does seem less of a talent drain compared to to duel wielding blaster rifles. I think It's total fair that a full grenade launcher wouldn't fit in her calf lol. That said what type of armour would she be allowed to use given she needs so much of her body available to pull weapons out? Or would whatever armour by augmented to compensate for this somehow? I probably won't take all the holstered weapons right away as i'd want some funding for other upgrade on her.

And thank you for taking the time to come up with this option! I'm not sure I could have with my limited knowledge. You clearly know your shit which is a very good sign for the rp in general.

[LSWSjr]

Kira can take droid armor, which would be designed around all of her 'compartments' and wouldn't get in the way of whatever outfits she ended up wearing... that said, it's designed to protect her vital gubbins, not her synthetic skin.

A Duravlex Shell is a light armor that only costs 1,050 credits (license fee included) and provides +4 to Reflex with a +3 Max Dex Bonus and then later on, when everyone's rolling in credits, she can be retrofitted with some military grade Duranium Battle Armor which is a heavy armor that'll set her back 12,000 credits (license fee included, retrofitting costs excluded) to provide a +10 to Reflex with a +2 Max Dex Bonus :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[LSWSjr]

The only problem is that Kira has a budget of 15,000 credits, so starting with Duranium Battle Armor takes her over her limit by 120 credits and prevents her from buying other useful sundries. So maybe it's better she skips the internalized armor for now and just buys some fleshbag armor following their next payday?

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[BadSister]

Excellent that answers my question completely, she'll have to bring a lot of synthetic skin with her for touch ups lol. One more thing as I'm getting pretty close to completing her character sheet and haven't seen anything about this... on lvl up how much hp do we increase? Like It says to roll a dice for it, but I wasn't sure if you wanted a set amount like half the total dice per a lvl of that heroic or prestige class.

Oh and regards to the armour, I think i'll just get some cheap light armour for now, and ill make sure I don't go over the price.

Also should we discuss our possible character connections? Or are we thinking no one has met just yet?

[LSWSjr]

Everyone's welcome to either roll for HP every level after the 1st (post any Non-Heroic levels) or take the hit die -2, plus/minus their Con modifier as appropriate, so 4 for d6, 6 for d8, 8 for d10, 10 for d12.

As I think I mentioned, all but Kira and the Doctor are Jedi, and all of you are assisting the Alliance, but it's up to you all to decided just how familiar you all are :)


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[BadSister]

Would you like me to send you my character sheet when I'm done?

Oh and if anyone else is ready this, let me know if you'd like to talk about possible character connections and what not!

[LSWSjr]

Better to post it here, that way the others might be able to offer their own suggestions or get some idea of where characters might overlap or where the party might be lacking and adjust :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Currently Dela is focused in Gather Information, Knowledge (Galactic lore) and of course Use the Force. I am thinking of switching out Trained Use Computer for Deception.

[BadSister]

Kira is basically running around as a mercenary killing/catching bounties on imperials, slavers. I'd say she especially likes taking jobs from the alliance. She probably doesn't know much about Jedi or the force, having no conception to what the force is as a Droid. But then most people wouldn't know she is a droid. i'm not sure if would have crossed paths given the backgrounds.

My current trained skills are Acrobatics (12), Deception (10), Initiative (12), Mechanics (10), Perception (8), Stealth (12)   

[Juggtacular]

My character when he's finished will be Mace Windu's secret child he had right before Order 66. And was trained up by his father while doing normal work to keep them under the radar and with credits. Then he joined the new order later on.

[Triggvi]

Kira is basically running around as a mercenary killing/catching bounties on imperials, slavers. I'd say she especially likes taking jobs from the alliance. She probably doesn't know much about Jedi or the force, having no conception to what the force is as a Droid. But then most people wouldn't know she is a droid. i'm not sure if would have crossed paths given the backgrounds.

My current trained skills are Acrobatics (12), Deception (10), Initiative (12), Mechanics (10), Perception (8), Stealth (12)

Dela is or was a bounty hunter of reasonable success. She doesn't show off her jedi training much.

[BadSister]

Dela is or was a bounty hunter of reasonable success. She doesn't show off her jedi training much.

Oh that's true, just reread your character sheet. So yes It is plausible that our characters could know each other from a job or something. I imagine Kira has mostly been in the outer rim, but could have taken jobs closer to the core systems from time to time if that's where your character has been. So we could have them know each other from back when Dela was a bounty hunter, worked some jobs. Or we could have a fresh new connection, do you have a preference? 

My character when he's finished will be Mace Windu's secret child he had right before Order 66. And was trained up by his father while doing normal work to keep them under the radar and with credits. Then he joined the new order later on.

I'd say It's likely that our characters haven't met yet considering your character was trained in secret and mine was running around on the fringe of nowhere lol. But it seems like you and Dela might have a connection since Mace Windu trained both of you, though in different ways.

[Juggtacular]

Triggvi and I have already talked. Dela was trained by Mace's Force Ghost, and he died a while after Kaine completed his training under him. So seeing his saber again after it was lost for so many years he'll immediately know she's connected somehow. And then it'll go from there.

[Triggvi]

Oh that's true, just reread your character sheet. So yes It is plausible that our characters could know each other from a job or something. I imagine Kira has mostly been in the outer rim, but could have taken jobs closer to the core systems from time to time if that's where your character has been. So we could have them know each other from back when Dela was a bounty hunter, worked some jobs. Or we could have a fresh new connection, do you have a preference? 

She spent most of her life on the outer rim dodging imperials with her parents before she took over the identity of a low level bounty hunter. She operated on the outer rim.

we could have worked a couple of jobs before things got weird with the lightsaber. combo of heavy fire power and Dela knowledge and information gathering skills.

[Silim]

Since Hira was a Padawan before Order 66 and went into hiding after it, there is some potential here for someone to have coincidentally met her before she embraced her training again to join the Alliance. She worked as a mechanic during that time (in fact, Mechanics and Knowledge (Technology) are her only skills next to Use The Force).

[BadSister]

I think it would be fun to know at least one of you guys from before the game starts, but It would also be fun to be a complete stranger too.


Ah shit, something just occurred to me. Miniterization makes a weapon drop down a dice by one step (d6s become d4s, d4s become d3s, and so on). Which for say the SoroSuub Firelance would drop the damage potential from 24 to 18, which if one were to use double attack would be 48 to 36. Wouldn't mounting weapons on armour be way more effective? You wouldn't have to miniterize anything keeping the damage, you can have overall more weapons attached (up to ten slots), the weapons can be concealed in the armour, and they are always ready to go not needing to be pulled or anything with an action. Plus that would open up better protection.

[Triggvi]

Miniaturization messes with melee weapons not ranged weapons.

[BadSister]

Oh thank you! Your right i missed that, awesome that's a relief.

[Triggvi]

A couple of minor bounties together. I figure  she probably doesn't know she is replica droid. After all seeing replica droids is very incredibly rare.

[BadSister]

Let's go with that! I'd say it's fairly obvious from working with her that she is a cyborg, you'd see her pull weapons out of her legs and arms and she would likely not try to hide it. If you would have asked, she'd say it happened during a raid by the empire, needing prosthetics to function afterwards.

[Triggvi]

I am good with that. Bounty hunters can be a strange lot anyway.

[Triggvi]

Being a 4th degree droid. Couple things to consider. A 4th degree droid talent combat repairs (allows you to do repair roll as 1 turn action instead of an hour once per encounter). Marooned background even will allow you repair yourself without taking a -5.

[Silim]

Alright, I think I've got my gear sorted. Is there anything obvious missing from the list?

Hira Darksun            CL 5

Medium Human Jedi 5
Force 7
Init +4; Senses Perception +4
Languages Basic, High Galactic (Background: Origin Planet Coruscant)

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 16), Fort 17, Will 18; Deflect
hp 71; second wind +17/35; Threshold 17

Speed 6 squares
Melee lightsaber +7 (2d8+1)
Ranged by weapon +7
Base Atk +5; Grp +7
Special Actions Telekinetic Savant 1/encounter
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +14) farseeing, Force grip, Force shield, Force slam, mind trick, move object (3), negate energy, surge, draw closer, hawk-bat swoop

Abilities Str 9, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 11, Wis 14, Cha 14
Talents Deflect, Telekinetic Prodigy, Telekinetic Savant
Feats Force Sensitivity, Force Training (3), Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Finesse, Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Knowledge (technology) +7, Mechanics +7, Stealth +9, Use the Force +14
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +4, Climb +1, Deception +4, Endurance +3, Gather Information +4, Initiative +4, Jump +1, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +2, Knowledge (galactic lore) +2, Knowledge (life sciences) +2, Knowledge (physical sciences) +2, Knowledge (social sciences) +2, Knowledge (tactics) +2, Perception +4, Persuasion +4, Pilot +4, Ride +4, Survival +4, Swim +1, Treat Injury +4, Use Computer +2
Possessions aquata breather, breath mask, lightsaber, utility belt (3 day food supply, medpac, tool kit, power pack, energy cell, glow rod, comlink, liquid cable dispenser), camouflage poncho, concealed holster, credit chip, datapad, electrobinoculars, personal multitool

[BadSister]

This is what I have so far


Kira            CL 5

Medium Replica Droid, Independent droid 1, Soldier 4
Force 7
Init +12; Senses Perception +8, Low-Light Vision; ignores Concealment (But not Total Concealment) from darkness.
Languages Basic, Binary, Huttese, Bocce, Zabrak, Translator DC 15
Background Marooned
Destiny Discover (Maker/programmer)

Defenses Ref 22(flat-footed 17), Fort 19, Will 18; Shield Rating 15
hp 64; second wind +16/32; Threshold 19

Speed 6 squares
Melee Not calculated
Ranged BlasTech DLT-20A +9 (+1 blank), 3d10 +4 (-5 DT)
Base Atk +4; Grp
Special Actions
Droid Components Improved Sensor Package (Free), Heuristic Processor (Free), Translator (DC 15; Free), Specialized Subprocessor (1000 cr; programmed to regenerate shield), Shield Generator System SR 15 (7500), Magnetic Feet (120), Locked Access (50), Sensor Booster (200), Internal Comlink (250)

Abilities Str 14, Dex 18, Int 16, Wis 8, Cha 6
Talents Devastating Attack (Rifle), Weapon Specialization (Rifle), Combat Repairs
Feats Armor proficiency (Light), Armor proficiency (Medium), Weapon Proficiency (Pistols), Weapon Proficiency (Rifles), Weapon Proficiency (Simple weapons), Droid Shield Mastery, Weapon Focus (Rifle), Point Blank shot, Precise Shot

Primary Skills Acrobat +11, Deception + 10, Initiative +11, Mechanics + 10, Perception +8, Stealth +11
Secondary Skills Climb +4, Endurance +4, Gather Information +0, Jump +4, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +5, Knowledge (galactic lore) +5, Knowledge (life sciences) +5, Knowledge (physical sciences) +5, Knowledge (social sciences) +5, Knowledge (tactics) +5, Persuasion +0, Pilot +7, Ride +7, Survival +1, Swim +4, Treat Injury +1, Use Computer +5

Possessions Left Leg Holster - Miniaturized BlasTech DLT-20A (Medium Rifle; 2560 cr), Right Arm Incorporated - Miniaturized Ion Rifle (Small) for (1,680 cr), Right Hand Incorporated - Miniaturized Snare Pistol (Tiny; 1330 credits), Tool Kit (250), Power Pack X 4

10 Credits left

[Triggvi]

You stats seem a little in the high side even replica droid stuff. As a droid you only 21 pts and you build from 8

[BadSister]

Str 8 + 2(racial) +3 (points) + 1 (lvl)
Dex 8 +2(racial) +10 (points)
Int 8 +8 (points) +1 (lvl)
Wis 8
Cha 8 -2 (racial)

thats 21 points, 4 racial, and 2 from lvl

[Silim]

The cost of Ability Scores isn't 1:1. 10 points into dex costs more than 10 of the 21 points. Also, you've got 14 Cha and Wis listed, not 8 and 6?

[BadSister]

i fixed the wisdom charisma your right about that, whats the conversation rate? I didn't see that anywhere on the website

[BadSister]

Found a calculator for it

Str 8 + 2(racial) +3 (points) + 1 (lvl) =14
Dex 8 +2(racial) +10 (points) = 18
Int 8 +8 (points) +1 (lvl) = 16
Wis 8
Cha 8 -2 (racial) = 6

thats 21 points, 4 racial, and 2 from lvl

Thanks for letting me know i total missed it!

i'll change the skills to match it

[Triggvi]

That looks more like it. 👍

Mistakes are easy to make. I have made my share of whoppers. No worries.

[BadSister]

Guaranteed I'll make some more lol.

So for damage ... It's always 1 damage plus One-Half Heroic Level (Rounded Down)?

[Triggvi]

You get 2 regular feats 1st and 3rd and 2 bonus feats for soldier 2nd and 4th. Unless I am miscounting you have 1 feat left to choose.

[Triggvi]

Guaranteed I'll make some more lol.

So for damage ... It's always 1 damage plus One-Half Heroic Level (Rounded Down)?

1/2 heroic round down +Str mod(for melee)+2 from weapon specialization(Rifle)

[Triggvi]

Precise Shot would be helpful. Don't take the -5 for shooting into melee.

[BadSister]

With all the jedi  we have that's probably a good idea.

[Silim]

The damage die you roll depend on your weapon, for example a blaster pistol is 2d6, and a lightsaber is 2d8. If you're using Sagasheet to do your calculations, you can add your weapons in there and it'll calculate your attack bonuses and display your weapon damage dice automatically!

There's basically 2 ways to build from what I've read,  go for as many hits as possible or go for a single massive hit. Since your big blas-tech rifle for example has Autofire capabilities, you could get the Burst Fire feat and add 2 extra dice to a successful hit for a negative to the to-hit roll. As long as you use a rifle with Autofire ability, Burst Fire is better than Rapid Shot. To attack more than once there's the Double Attack/Triple Attack feat line. The disadvantage of multiple attacks being that you need a Full-Round Action to unload all your shots, so you're less mobile, and additional attacks are also less accurate much like the Burst Fire shot would be. Really, its all up to how you wanna do it.

[BadSister]

I like the basic setup  as it is for now. As we proceed i'll sorta feel out which route I want to take. I'm leaning towards atleast getting double shot. What are your build concepts?

[Triggvi]

riflemaster would be a good feat to get. for the heavy blaster Rifle it punches the damage dice to d12s so it would do 3d12.

double and triple attacks feats have huge negatives

if you go burst fire, then elite trooper would be a good direction. Controlled burst drop the -5 autofire to -2 but you would end up with 5 dice of damage

[Silim]

"Build concept" is just a blanket term for what you wanna accomplish mechanically for your character. Like for Hira, her build concept is "telekinetic/lightsaber hybrid". Can inform actual characterization in the RP sense, but doesn't have to.

[LSWSjr]

I’ve always preferred leaning heavily into aiming and Gunslinger talents, especially Blind Shot, Debilitating Shot, Ranged Disarm, Shoot From The Hip, Slowing Shot, etc... Old Faithful also makes their even level trait twice as useful.

Another cool option, exclusive to Force sensitive pistol wielders, is to take a level of Jedi Knight for Twin Weapon Style, which gives you two individual weapon attacks for a Standard Action as long as they’re at seperate targets... it’s the equivalent of Dual Weapon Mastery III but as a Standard Action and for a single talent :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

Looks like most of us are done except a few background stories.

[LSWSjr]

Yep, definitely keen to see y’all finalised and in action :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Muse]

  I'm very eager to play with all of you! 

  Bad Sister, if i didn't say it yet, welcome to Elliquiy. 

[BadSister]

  I'm very eager to play with all of you! 

  Bad Sister, if i didn't say it yet, welcome to Elliquiy. 

Thank you! I'm excited to write with you.

I wonder if we should make a side forum for completed characters with there stat sheets and background story in one spot.

[Triggvi]

I wonder if we should make a side forum for completed characters with there stat sheets and background story in one spot.

That sounds like good idea

[Muse]

Best of Rowan does that so it'll be on the right board.  :) 

And yes, I usually have a cast thread! :)

[LSWSjr]

The question then, is what category you folks want it in?
1) Light Exotic
2) BDSM Exotic
3) Non-Con Exotic

Drop a vote down below :)


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[BadSister]

I'm good with all the options, and would be happy to stick with what everyone is comfortable with.

That said I'd be just fine with dub-con/non-con being a possibility.

3)

[Muse]

  On one hand, I favor non-con exotic.  On the other hand, I'm playing a guy this time around!  I'm already nervous none of the girls will want to have consensual sex with an Ithorian.  I'll be quite pleasantly surprised if an NPC girl wants to molest him.  :)

[BadSister]

Don't worry, Kira literally can't be racist. Play your cards right and ya got a chance with her.

[Triggvi]

I am open to what the group wants. 2 or 3 is good

[Silim]

I'm gonna join the consensus at 3 I suppose!

[LSWSjr]

Non-Con Exotic seems to have the winning vote, I've been swamped these last few days with work and other RPs, but I'll try to get things set up for this tomorrow :)

Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

How are people doing?

[Muse]

  Ready to rumble! 

  I think Rowan just needs to get some RL stuff squared away. 

[Juggtacular]

I'm finally at my computer. I'm gonna get Kaine's story out today, and he should be complete after that.

Sorry it's taken so long.

[LSWSjr]

Sorry folks, I've been dealing with a bout of depression following some recent medical results... I hope to get this moving by the weekend.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Muse]

  Please feel better soon, Rowan, we can wait.  :) 

[Muse]

*Bounces* 

Come back, Rowan1  We miss you! 

Anything we still need to do to prepare for his triumphant return? 

[LSWSjr]

I'm doing a lot better, got to see a therapist.

Will try to get us started this week. How many are still interested in giving this a shot?


Cheers
Rowan/LSWSjr

[Triggvi]

I am still interested!

[Muse]

not getting rid of me! 

[Juggtacular]

Yoooo.

[Silim]

Still in!

[BadSister]

I'm up for it!