Warhammer 40k Black Crusade (freeform) - Interest check

[HairyHeretic]

If a man dedicates his life to good deeds and the welfare of others, he will die unthanked and unremembered. If he exercises his genius bringing misery and death to billions, his name will echo through the millennia for a hundred lifetimes. Infamy is always more preferable to ignominy.
- Fabius Bile, at the Desecration of Kanzuz IX

So, once again, the urge to tear down the Imperium is upon me. I'd be interested in running a freeform Chaos orientated game, presumbably with a mixture of Chaos Space Marines and other assorted heretics, malcontents and other enemies of the Imperium.

The exact format of the game would depend on who was interested, and what kind of character they wanted to play. I'm thinking about starting with some degree of power ... a base of operations, a ship, some expendable minions, and then see where we go from there.

Build our own pirate fleet?
Raid Imperial worlds?
Corrupt others and turn them to Chaos?
Set an entire subsector aflame?

Anyone interested in making the galaxy burn?

[Totoro]

Hey!

Just registering my interest in this game, looks like a lot of fun. I adore Warhammer 40k so I hope this picks up interest.

SwK

[Drowdeviant]

Hmm, should I be a thousand son sorcerer or a sultry hertically psychic tech priestess...or a domineering ex battle sister turned seductive sorceress? >:)

[HairyHeretic]

I'll be playing my Night Lord, Draugr.

[JoanieSappho]

Hmm, a few ideas. Sadistic heretek-priestess who just loves to abuse fleshy meatbag bodies, Tzeentchian ratling who is all about making deals and coming off better so that she can pursue her true secret goal of ???, and, depending on how icky and sexual we want to get, Nurglite woman, maybe a former SOB who carries (and spreads) a new variant of the zombie plague through a certain swollen and tainted part of her body that happens to be between her legs, or through fresh, tainted milk.
I'm leaning a little Nurgle, although that'll be best if everyone's cool with it because, well ... Nurgle.

Edit: Leaning a lot Nurgle, since ideas for the Plaguemother keep turning up in my head, like her sincere, honest belief that guiding worlds to her plague-filled tea is the kindest thing she can do for those benighted children who languish without the love and blessings of Grandfather Nurgle. Of course, still Nurgle, so ick-factor is there.

[Jaded]

I would potentially be interested, though I'm not sure as what concept yet.

[ChaoticSky]

Hmm, a few ideas. Sadistic heretek-priestess who just loves to abuse fleshy meatbag bodies, Tzeentchian ratling who is all about making deals and coming off better so that she can pursue her true secret goal of ???, and, depending on how icky and sexual we want to get, Nurglite woman, maybe a former SOB who carries (and spreads) a new variant of the zombie plague through a certain swollen and tainted part of her body that happens to be between her legs, or through fresh, tainted milk.
I'm leaning a little Nurgle, although that'll be best if everyone's cool with it because, well ... Nurgle.

Edit: Leaning a lot Nurgle, since ideas for the Plaguemother keep turning up in my head, like her sincere, honest belief that guiding worlds to her plague-filled tea is the kindest thing she can do for those benighted children who languish without the love and blessings of Grandfather Nurgle. Of course, still Nurgle, so ick-factor is there.

Oh, another nurgle fan! ;D

I normally avoid freeform group games (come'on Hairy, do BC proper :P), but if your interested Jo, I'd love to play another nurglite to pair with yours if your interested.

[JoanieSappho]

Oh, another nurgle fan! ;D

I normally avoid freeform group games (come'on Hairy, do BC proper :P), but if your interested Jo, I'd love to play another nurglite to pair with yours if your interested.

Well, I'm fine with it and interested, just would like to make sure Nurglestuff in general isn't a major turn-off for Hairy/the other players, since, well, you know how Nurgle goes. Swollen, misshapen body parts, miscoloured fluids leaking from places, etc, etc.

[HairyHeretic]

I can't say Nurgle really appeals to me, but that's only a personal viewpoint. Given I'm looking to play my Night Lord, it's not like there would be much sexytimes going on for me anyway :P

If you do want to go with a Nurgle turned Sister, have you considered having her come from one of the Orders Hospitaller. With their constant exposure to disease, and their focus on (to some degree) caring for people, it would seem to dovetail quite nicely with what you're got so far.

As for freeform / system, I wanted to try something different this time around :)

[JoanieSappho]

Yeah, Hospitaller was what I had in mind, so Angry Sororitas is still open for someone else.  :P

So, what sort of thing did you have in mind, Chaotic? (Probably, I suppose, best to pm me rather than start getting into working things out in here)

[TheLaughingOne]

Hullo! Just like to say im interisted! been following this thread since i put in my approval sheet, and would love a chance to play!

As for nurgle.. Some diseases have side effects that seem positive, kinda, make ths skin more clear, increased skin sensativity (depending on degree) and so forth. They kinda hide things.  At least for the person carrying them. easier to spread Papas blessing when people want to spend time with them..

Swelling and other side effects are there, but in a more.. outwardly pleasing way.. .. At least until you mess up and piss off Papa, and everything goes wrong.. Or right. Its hard to tell with the chaos gods..

Myself, thinking someone trapped between Khorne, and Slaanesh. Possibly takes sexual conquests a bit off...? head still bubbling at the idea..

[Warlock]

Definitely interested.

Possibly a bit left field, but I've been turning a rough idea of a daemonhost around in my head. There are some differences in terms of motivation from 'mortal' champions, though daemons still have, in a sense, their own ambitions and seek to exalt themselves in the eyes of their lord.

Figured having a radical Inquisitor that sought to use the powers of chaos against itself. Binding a daemon within host and sealing it within using arcane seals and wards. Despite being unable to escape from its mortal coil and its power limited by the bindings it managed to slip away from the Inquisitor's grasp and is now seeking a way to free itself. Undoing the bindings could require a combination of artifacts, obscure rituals, specific sacrifices or conditions, etc. Inquisitors are nothing if not through. While seeking those items out it lends its services to a band of chaos champions, in return for their aid in the retrieval.

Thinking of using the above as a baseline and expand upon it. Leaning towards having the daemon be tzeentchian or slaaneshi. Also need to consider state of the host, if anything remains at all and possible implications.
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Nurgle is fine and plaguemother does sound intriguing. Besides, Nurgle is love. Nurgle is life.

[TheLaughingOne]

Nurgle is also the lord of Rebirth, struggle, and survival! Could be fun to tap into that aspect for something new:3

[HairyHeretic]

Another option for a daemonhost would be along the lines of the Gal Vorbak, from the Horus Heresy novels. Have you read those? Argal Tal is one of only a couple of Word Bearers I actually like.

[Warlock]

I haven't read the books, though I should since they're amongst my favorite traitor legions. Did consider doing the daemonhost as a chaos space marine possessed, though the Gal Vorbak specifically escaped me for some reason. Love their forgeworld model, as a side note. Scimming through the lore sections now and see what I find.

[Tydorei]

I was just searching the net for a black cursade game and found one! I was hoping to actually use the system or some form of it, but beggars can't be choosers! Expect either a slaanish pirate prince, slaanish fleshmoulder, or tzentch psyker. All my possible characters will be human though.

[Totoro]

I'm thinking of maybe playing an Iron Warrior, I love the aesthetics of that chapter. Alternatively a marine from a more recently renegade chapter somewhat similar to people like Huron Blackheart in that they're renagades/traitors but not hugely devoted to the chaos gods, and definitely not one in particular. There's an awful lot of options though, 40k is quite diverse as long as you like a million flavours of grimdark, which I do.

[HairyHeretic]

I was just searching the net for a black cursade game and found one! I was hoping to actually use the system or some form of it, but beggars can't be choosers! Expect either a slaanish pirate prince, slaanish fleshmoulder, or tzentch psyker. All my possible characters will be human though.

A pirate prince would be a good candidate for having their own ship, which gives us a logical means of transport. Plus since we seem to be leaning towards a Nurgle contingent, they'd clash less with a Slaaneshi than a follower of Tzeentch. At the end of the day though, it's whatever you fancy most yourself.

I'm thinking of maybe playing an Iron Warrior, I love the aesthetics of that chapter. Alternatively a marine from a more recently renegade chapter somewhat similar to people like Huron Blackheart in that they're renagades/traitors but not hugely devoted to the chaos gods, and definitely not one in particular. There's an awful lot of options though, 40k is quite diverse as long as you like a million flavours of grimdark, which I do.

Iron Warrior and Alpha Legion, if you're looking for a veteran of the Long War. For a more recent vintage, well, individual marines, and indeed squads worth, can turn renegade from any chapter, even if the chapter itself remained loyal. If you have a favourite chapter, no reason a single marine couldn't have fallen.

[Totoro]

My army from back when I played tabletop was a homebrew renegade chapter made of parts of loyalists, chaos and space wolves. Ended up with a very violent/animalistic and brutal theme but stuck away from going khornate, instead more the space vikings gone wrong. They were basically designed as, as I called them, 'Space bastards' in that they looted, stole and screwed people over without ever really fighting a real war. It'd be quite fun to play a marine with absolutely zero honor from a chapter along those lines.

[HairyHeretic]

Maybe something along the lines of the Wulfen, if you want to play up the animalistic aspect? There was the Wolf Brothers, the only official Space Wolf successor chapter, from the 2nd Founding. They fell to Chaos.

My own renegade chapter were Wolf successors, from the Dark 13th Founding, though they went renegade more than actually worshipping Chaos.

[Totoro]

It was more just liking Space Wolf rules and unique units, as well as aesthetics. The problem of Space Wolves having so few successors was always my biggest issue with the chapters backstory since nobody else fit at all.

And damn, it basically sounds like our chapters had some similarities. It was so long ago I hardly remember any of the backstory anymore, which is a shame.

[HairyHeretic]

I should have their history in one of my folders. I can dig it out and PM it to you if you fancy a read of it. Mine weren't exactly nice either, but they did have their own sense of honour .. a friend of mine described them as anti-heros rather than outright villians.

[Totoro]

Mine were mostly villains in that they only served themselves. Every now and then they'd do 'the right thing' but only when it served their purposes. IE raiding orcs/chaos marines etc. for their own gain. I'd definitely be up for having a read of their history, sounds fun. My chapter's only honour was a sort of tribal code of basic rules. Things like 'Don't stab your friend in the back, stab anyone outside the chapter while they're sleeping but if you fight your own do it head on' and 'Anyone can challenge the chapter master to ritual 1 on 1 combat'. Fairly sure me and a few others worked on some rules and I remember the chapter master being an absolute monster in duels because he's been through so many to get there.

[Wajin]

VERY interested here, leaning a bit towards playing either an Alpha Legion Champion, survivor from the Great Crusade and the Heresy, or a Khornate Salamander, calm in peace, madness in combat, let him only show the fury of the blood god in combat... maybe even give him some dragon-like mutation.

[TheLaughingOne]

... Renegade rogue trader. Freshly inherited the Writ, but house is in disarray. Old contracts have run out, or tricksy adepts rewrote them in their planets favor, pirates have pillaged the trading lines, and family has depleted the coffers and made off with ships leaving him ill equipped to  continue the family traditions. Fell to chaos undivided from promises of dark favors, revenge, and pleasures could never imagine. Possibly ferrys the warband on his ship, delivering tainted goods to planets that betrayed their contracts, couting defenses for attack, started pleasure cults in the nobilityy, and rebellion among the aristocracy...

[Warlock]

Think I'll shift to a Slaaneshi Possessed Word Bearer Champion.
Keeping it short, writing from my phone.

[Cataclysmic Archangel]

I would love to show interest for this.  In fact, I'm fairly certain that about 2 years ago you opened up this game, we all made characters... and then it never actually started.

[HairyHeretic]

Hmmm .. I don't think that was me. I've both run and played in a few BC games over the years though. It seems like we have enough interest to get this one up and running though.

And on that note .. ploty stuff.

Seems we have two potential bases of operations, with the Rogue Trader and the Pirate. Both offer pros and cons, depending on the situation, and while there's nothing to say we couldn't use both, the players can (generally speaking) only be in one place at one time, and I'd prefer not to split everyone up from the get go.

I could see a down on his luck Rogue Trader engaging in a little pre-emptive salvage operations (that's piracy ;) ) under the right circumstances, as well as running other dubious cargos. Depending where they were going to, trading would offer a nice cover for the other heretics to plot dastardly deeds.

Thoughts?

[TheLaughingOne]

A team up between pirates and trader..? He has large cruiser class ship or something, makes for a good platform for pirates to launch from. in exchange, he gets extra firepower and muscle from pirates, and decent share of the loot..?

[Warlock]

Rogue Traders are almost a political entity onto themselves and the dynasties can be quite cutthroat just from its internal family bickering. Likely wouldn't be the first time a minor scion tried to gain a advantage by dealing with Chaos, or alternatively a favored child trying to protect their position from ambitious pretenders.

The usual roles that the Traders fulfill I'd also see as attractive for any follower of Chaos. In the role as colonizer they may be offered an oppertunity to sow the seed of Chaos. As merchants they may be allowed to peddle tainted trinkets amongst other exotic wares. Rogue Traders may also be tasked with reclaiming lost worlds, allowing a cunning cultist to take advantage of the situation to spread their tendrils.

Rogue Traders can also be a quirky bunch, reflected in their choice of followers ranging from Orks to Eldar and even Space Marines. So a rag-tag group of cultist would likely not be the strangest thing of the Trader's entourage.


And at their core they're privateers, which is really just a nicer name for pirate anyway.

[TheLaughingOne]

Haha, true on the rogue traders being... Quirky. But a xeno can get approv fortraveling with trader.. you bop in with traitor marine.... Not so much ok. Though, hehe, if thry can pass, hubt down loyalist, kill him, take his armor, and disguise inbthat.. double more as can disgrace the guys chapter to...

[HairyHeretic]

If you think about it though, most Imperial citizens will NEVER see a Marine. They'll see pictures, and heroic statues, but never one in the flesh. If a Traitor marine didn't look particularly evil, or mutated, there's a good chance the average Imperial couldn't tell the difference.

[TheLaughingOne]

oh yeah, but the mutations some traitors sport, the make of their armor, these are things that make a normal person uneasy, and not in the normal way a marine would.

And you do see the heroic statues, prop-novels, and other things. aside from a few distinct traitor chapters, they dont really line up with the standard look of loyalist marines, with work yes, and part of that is killing a loyalist and stealing his armor to defile from the inside while spreading chaos!

[HairyHeretic]

"I am Alpharius" :)

[Landshark]

Also if you go by whats said in the novels, a normal person just being near a CSM can feel the chaos coming off of them in waves making them anywhere from uneasy to violently ill or temporarily insane.

So what is the driving force to make this random band of chaos function together? I mean some will be at direct odds. A feat that only Abadon could accomplish.

[TheLaughingOne]

Its not completely impossible a group like this could fall together. Perhaps a hood portion dont want to follow failbaddon, his crusades seeming to accomplish little, and for all his talk about how weak horus is he hasnt accomplished anything himself.

Rogue trader, his motivation being revenge on those that largely betrayed him (which he considers the Imperium as a whole) and to make his own fortune, no longer wanting to have to justify his actions to petty bearucrats looking to gouge him for bribes.

Teaming with warband gives him access to superior forces, goods that normally couldnt be obtained and worth a great deal, and chance to earn "favors" from the powers... General chaos undivided follower all around!

[HairyHeretic]

In order to find out why the characters would be working together, the question to ask is what motivates them.

For Draugr, he has sworn an Oath of Moment to bring down the Imperium, to destroy one Imperial world in the name of each of his Legion brothers. In short, vengence. Anything that contributes to that goal, he's more or less okay with. He'll work with the others because whatever damage they do to the Imperium brings him that bit closer to his own goal.

[Landshark]

Thinking of a dark mechanicum. Looks like a regular mechanist because he cuts off mutation and replaces with machine. Its always nice to be invited into a factory that you plan on ussurping. Plus someone has to keep his lordship cruiser flying.

[JoanieSappho]

All the Plaguemother wants is to make the lives of the Imperium's citizens better.
By bringing them into Papa Nurgle's somewhat sticky embrace.
Aaaaand usually in ways that result in plagues of rapey zombies.

But she can be talked into not sharing that particular blessing with the population of a planet and, well, Nurgle. Not to mention former Hospitaller. She's an ironically good healer, even if the poor dears she treats tend to come back a little bit infected with something. But it won't kill them and they were suffering so much, how could she not infect them just a tiny bit?

She doesn't bring much combat ability - although, being a devoted follower of Nurgle she is incredibly hard to kill or slow down - but she keeps the cultists and such healthy enough to fight, is excessively sweet and maternal and can, if allowed, kind of cause brief zombie plagues if they need some minor chaos.

[TheLaughingOne]

*Keter, the rogue trader, Keeps extra amounts of Universal Vaccine on hand JIC... Both for himself... And for the good Sister to distribute to planets after she makes sure they are all up to proper snuff..* ;3

[Warlock]

The creature known as Sekhess seeks new ways to glorify Chaos, using the living as the canvas to represent hir unending faith by turning them into champions that sow discord and destruction in the name hir gods. A muse that whispers promises of the never ending pleasures and release that comes from being enslaved by an all-consuming devotion. Even those already on the path have the oppertunity to descend to new depths of depravity to become the perfect servants, bringing them closer to their ultimate rewards for their convictions.

As a Gol Vorbak, Possessed, Sekhess is capable of altering hir form to appear as normal marine and even gazing into the empyreal hellscape of the warp to guide ships as a Navigator would on an Imperial Ship. Sekhess also has traits inherited from hir union with a Daemonette along with those of a Space Marine, making hir a seductive and dangerous enemy.

[Landshark]

Mine were mostly villains in that they only served themselves. Every now and then they'd do 'the right thing' but only when it served their purposes. IE raiding orcs/chaos marines etc. for their own gain. I'd definitely be up for having a read of their history, sounds fun. My chapter's only honour was a sort of tribal code of basic rules. Things like 'Don't stab your friend in the back, stab anyone outside the chapter while they're sleeping but if you fight your own do it head on' and 'Anyone can challenge the chapter master to ritual 1 on 1 combat'. Fairly sure me and a few others worked on some rules and I remember the chapter master being an absolute monster in duels because he's been through so many to get there.

This sounds very much like the Red Corsairs. Rogue marines who technically are chaos but really more like pirates.

[HairyHeretic]

Ok, I've opened an OOC thread here where we can discuss game related stuff in more detail.

[Urbanzorro]

Still room in this for another character? If so color me interested!

[HairyHeretic]

Sure, we haven't started anything IC yet.

[Urbanzorro]

Cool beans! Now to decide on a character.

[Ironwolf85]

got a character, I'll be watching this.
made a berserker.

[HairyHeretic]

Pop on over to the OOC thread I linked earlier, there's more discussion ongoing.

[DartimusRae]

Waah! I'm craving a warhammer RP, but I'm too fanatical for the true Emperor-God upon his Golden throne (I run black templar armies)... Of only there was a way to fit in a non-heretic, even temporarily....

[HairyHeretic]

Pop over to the OOC thread, we can kick some ideas around :)

[Silk]

I'm interested in giving this a try if you'll have me. :)

[HairyHeretic]

Pop on over to the OOC thread and join the discussion :)

[Silk]

Where is it? :)

[HairyHeretic]

OOC thread :)