Legend of Saffron Stronghold Reboot [The Lounge - OOC]

[Autumn Sativus]

Please don't forget that we also have an R-Rated Lounge!.

Come in and make yourselves comfortable. Have a seat and enjoy a drink or some finger foods while the Stronghold is being prepared.

[Autumn Sativus]

Everybody likes cookies! ;D

[Josietta]

* Josietta steals cookies on her way to the pR0N lounge >.>

[Trieste]

Tharic!

Josi!

Et tu!?

[Josietta]

* Josietta clings to her brother..."He didn't do anything! We're innocent.. he was just a mishap caused by that evil Sire!"

[yugi006]

Takes some cookies.

[persephone325]

* persephone325 noms on cookies

Figures my lover would be a doctor... And the other lover was a vampire... And the third lover was a suite owner... ;)

[yugi006]

"Well too bad I had to save myself instead of you."

[persephone325]

"Well too bad I had to save myself instead of you."

lol Well I didn't die, so it's all good! <3 Haha.

[yugi006]

"But if you had been chosen to be eaten I would have saved you."

[persephone325]

"But if you had been chosen to be eaten I would have saved you."

:-) Always the kind gentleman... <3 *giggles*

[yugi006]

"Only for you of course."

[persephone325]

"Only for you of course."

;) There you go, charming me again.

[Galactic Druid]

So Saff, when do we get our new roles?

[yugi006]

;) There you go, charming me again.

"You know you like it and only cause I love you too."

[persephone325]

"You know you like it and only cause I love you too."

Of COURSE I love it, dear! <3 And I love you too. ;)

[Josietta]

* persephone325 noms on cookies

Figures my lover would be a doctor... And the other lover was a vampire... And the third lover was a suite owner... ;)

Well dang Sephie.. you're not short on love are ya? ;P

[Ryven]

Well dang Sephie.. you're not short on love are ya? ;P

I was laughing over the fact that Trieste and I were on the evil side together.  I was hoping we'd be the siblings and pull off another star-crossed lovers double-cross.  ::)  Good times.

[yugi006]

Of COURSE I love it, dear! <3 And I love you too. ;)

"Well then I shall continue."

Well dang Sephie.. you're not short on love are ya? ;P

"I love you too Josi."

[Josietta]

I was laughing over the fact that Trieste and I were on the evil side together.  I was hoping we'd be the siblings and pull off another star-crossed lovers double-cross.  ::)  Good times.

Hehe.. I know! We all knew you two were in cahoots! :P  At least everyone I tried to ally with were leery of you both :P

"Well then I shall continue."

"I love you too Josi."

aww thank you yugi hon *hugs*

[yugi006]

aww thank you yugi hon *hugs*

"Especially with that avi how could I not?"

[Autumn Sativus]

So Saff, when do we get our new roles?

This evening. I got busy with friends last night and have to go out today. But I'll get them done as soon as I have the time to.

[persephone325]

Well dang Sephie.. you're not short on love are ya? ;P

Lol ;) I love you too, Kitten. *giggles*

[Remiel]

Man, I was totally fooled.  Josietta's changing her vote struck me as suspicious, so I figured she was trying to protect her fangbuddy RPGuy.

How did you guys know to vote for Harketh?

[Josietta]

Man, I was totally fooled.  Josietta's changing her vote struck me as suspicious, so I figured she was trying to protect her fangbuddy RPGuy.

How did you guys know to vote for Harketh?

I knew who all the vamps were.  It also didn't help that he was very chatty and protested a lot about different things. It kinda cinched it for me even if I didn't know he was the Sire.

[Galactic Druid]

Man, I was totally fooled.  Josietta's changing her vote struck me as suspicious, so I figured she was trying to protect her fangbuddy RPGuy.

How did you guys know to vote for Harketh?

At first, I just needed someone to vote on, to be honest, and his name was easy to accuse of being a vampire to do a little IC write up, so that's what I did. Then all of a sudden, a bunch of people banded together to try and lynch me instead. When that happened, I had a feeling that I was on the right path, as it seemed like Harketh had too many powerful allies for someone new to the game. It was mostly dumb luck until I became a target.

To be honest, my next targets were Yugi, Trie, and then you, Remi. Yugi because despite being in my alliance, he refused to help me stay alive, so I suspected he was spying on our group for the vamps (I was wrong), Trie because when we were in the last stretches of voting, with me and Harketh tied, she cast a vote at someone who couldn't possibly win in lynches. It just seemed like she was trying too hard to stay out of the spotlight, plus she voted for the same person Yugi, who I already suspected, did. Last on the list was you, just because I know you're good at these games, and were part of the group that was voting to lynch me.

In the end, I was one for three. Not horrible, I guess.

Edit; 2 for 4 if you count my first vote, but that first vote was a doozy in my defense.

[Autumn Sativus]

Everybody should have their Role PM now and we're ready to get things rolling on a new estate keeper. :-)

[Josietta]

Yay!!

[Autumn Sativus]

Hello boobies. :o

[yugi006]

Yay it bounces.

[Josietta]

Wha? I did nothing >.>

[yugi006]

"You did something."  ::)

[Josietta]

* Josietta is an innocent kitten.

[persephone325]

* Josietta is an innocent kitten.

* persephone325 tries not to burst into a fit of giggles upon hearing said words

lol

[Autumn Sativus]

On a side note a number of the players in this game signed up for Don't Look Behind You but haven't reconfirmed if they're interested. If you're one of those people, please let me know! :-)

[yugi006]

* Josietta is an innocent kitten.

"We'll have to see about that. I still love you anyways."

[persephone325]

* persephone325 nudges Saffron politely

I voted. ;)

[Cyrano Johnson]

Yes, folks, it's the return of the Dick* Joke. I just hope I have the nuts** to pull it off a second time around.

(* A reference, of course, to Dick van Dyck, who was prone to jocularity about our nether regions. Obviously not a reference Dick Pound, who as his name implies was really only interested in chiselling his name into a variety of surfaces.)

(** A reference, of course, to kola nuts: an organic stimulant now centuries old.)

[Cyrano Johnson]

How did you guys know to vote for Harketh?

Honestly? I didn't think anyone would be naive enough to be chattering that much and still be a vampire [plus there are certain people I just don't trust], so he came close to reverse-psyching me. Unfortunately, he kept on chattering to the point where I didn't care if he was a vampire anymore so long as we could get some peace, so I voted for him anyway.

[Tharic]

I don't know what any of you are talking about from last round.. I'm COMPLETELY innocent I tell you..

O:)

[Valerian]

Tharic eyed Valerian closely, grinning a bit as he leaned over behind her, 'What, no RNG this time my dear?'

I probably should try the dice roller again, now that you mention it.  After all, it did lead me to vote for an innocent person for estate keeper, and a guilty person for the lynch...  ::)

[Tharic]

I probably should try the dice roller again, now that you mention it.  After all, it did lead me to vote for an innocent person for estate keeper, and a guilty person for the lynch...  ::)

*gasp* I'm innocent. INNOCENT I TELL YOU!

[lisar]

I don't know what any of you are talking about from last round.. I'm COMPLETELY innocent I tell you..

O:)

* lisa Absolutely knows different

[Galactic Druid]

So what happens if we need a tiebreaker to determine who the tiebreaker is?

[Valerian]

So what happens if we need a tiebreaker to determine who the tiebreaker is?

The universe collapses in upon itself.  *nods*

[Autumn Sativus]

I'll probably make everyone choose between the two. :P

[Galactic Druid]

I think we should vote on a temporary estate keeper to break the tie for the permanent one.

[Starlequin]

Okay. I vote for Trie. 0.o'

[Trieste]

Can I just concede? :P

[Remiel]

I think we should vote on a temporary estate keeper to break the tie for the permanent one.

Excellent idea! I vote for RPGuy as the temporary estate keeper to break the tie to decide who our estate keeper will be!

Of course, if Remiel had his way, every vote would end in a thirteen-way tie.

[Autumn Sativus]

I have requested anyone who didn't vote in the top 3 to please vote again for someone who is in the top 3. I can't wait any longer on Kanrya as she hasn't been online for 5 days. :-\

[lisar]

Of course, if Remiel had his way, every vote would end in a thirteen three-way tie.

Fixed it

[yugi006]

Voted for someone in the top three. Although there could still be a three way tie. Not that I'm trying to do that. Don't want to make things harder for Saffron.

[Tharic]

I'm all for a three-way tie that is

[Josietta]

I'm all for a three-way tie that is

I'll give you a three way... >.>

[Tharic]

I'll give you a three way... >.>

Promise? (dearest sister)

[Josietta]

* Josietta hides her mouth behind her hand and giggles some with a fervent nod before rushing off blushing toward the "other" chatter room as this is surely not PG13

[Cyrano Johnson]

... aaand a fond farewell to the Stronghold, good luck everybody! Just as well; I was concerned that I might be running out of PG-13 dick jokes.

(EDIT: Translation of the above: *Cyrano Johnson is very pleased to pull out.* Okay... now I'm done.)

[James Moriarty]

Damn, he's good.

[Tharic]

Damn, he tasted good.

Fixed

:P

[James Moriarty]

You say, "tomayto," I say, "tomahto"...

[persephone325]

lol Couldn't resist, James. :P Haha.

[yugi006]

I still see five names voting for James so it should be tied between me and James right now.

[Galactic Druid]

Man, no one offered me a threeway when I was nearly on the chopping block!

[lisar]

Man, no one offered me a threeway when I was nearly on the chopping block!

Maybe that is the trick to not landing on the chopping block.  You do the offering.

humms innocently

[Galactic Druid]

Maybe I need to rethink my negotiation techniques, Lisar!  O:)

[yugi006]

Not much I could do to persuade much of anyone. I'll have to wait till the game is over to see if my suspicions were correct. It was fun. Good luck.

Can't wait for the next game.

[persephone325]

Not much I could do to persuade much of anyone. I'll have to wait till the game is over to see if my suspicions were correct. It was fun. Good luck.

Can't wait for the next game.

* persephone325 pouts in her estate room...

:'(

[Galactic Druid]

Hoooooo boy that's not good. I can think of quite a few people that everyone is going to want to take a second look at.

[yugi006]

* persephone325 pouts in her estate room...

:'(

Well now you know who to vote for now.

There's is always the next game.  :-)

Hoooooo boy that's not good. I can think of quite a few people that everyone is going to want to take a second look at.

Hope my suspicions were correct.

[persephone325]

Well now you know who to vote for now.

There's is always the next game.  :-)

I shall make them pay!! I'll make them ALL pay! lolz

[Galactic Druid]

Yeah, I wouldn't blame you if I was one of them. It's no mystery to anyone I was trying to keep JM alive, and you were a tip I got. Assuming I live long enough to look into the tip-off, I know why next few targets are.

[persephone325]

Well now you know who to vote for now.

There's is always the next game.  :-)

And provided I live through the night. Haha... *nervous laugh*

[yugi006]

Well if you do you must avenge me.

[persephone325]

Well if you do you must avenge me.

Of course I will! <3 lol

[yugi006]

Yay. At least someone believed in me. <3

[persephone325]

Yay. At least someone believed in me. <3

Of course I did, dear! :P lol

[yugi006]

"I know you did sweetie." Hugs.

[persephone325]

"I know you did sweetie." Hugs.

*hugs*

* persephone325 mumbles about vampires and their devious ways...

[Josietta]

Its been almost a week since Kanrya was even on E.  Are we going to keep her in ?  Then again if she's a special then it'd be a game changer and possibly ruin something if she did go. :/

[Autumn Sativus]

Since this is the first round she hasn't voted in, I am leaving her in for now. If another round goes by I will remove her.

[yugi006]

Oh wow. Didn't expect that Remiel was a vampire.

[Trieste]

Et tu, Remiel?! ;D

[Starlequin]

Never.

Trust.

Remiel.

;D

[lisar]

I should have known not to trust a pirate pfft

Now I have to wonder about undead pirates...

[Valerian]

At last I can put some red on my spreadsheet!  *eyes Remiel*

[Remiel]

Oh, man.  I thought I was doing so well, too...

When this is over, you guys are going to have to tell me what gave me away.

[Tharic]

Yea.. Full disclosure when this one's over.

[Josietta]

I think a run down "minutes" of the meetings (IE PMs) would be awesome! But thats a lot of work on lil Saffy.

[Autumn Sativus]

I'll see what I can do... I have lik 700 mafia messages already. xD

[Tharic]

Really? Hrm. Someone must be active. I've only gotten maybe a dozen PM's from this game.. *peers about*

[Ryven]

Really? Hrm. Someone must be active. I've only gotten maybe a dozen PM's from this game.. *peers about*

A good chunk of that is the vampires because they have to communicate via PM, and when you have 4 or so, she gets one pm copy every time any of them respond.

[Galactic Druid]

Is that going to be the kill for tonight, or was that a freebie for the neckbiters?

[Autumn Sativus]

T'was a freebie for the neckbiters. :-(

[Galactic Druid]

=(

[Trieste]

I'll see what I can do... I have lik 700 mafia messages already. xD

Normally it's higher but I've been slacking. Sorry, Saff. <3

[Remiel]

Okay, I think I figured out what happened, why everyone spontaneously voted me out last round -- and it's killing me that I can't talk about it.

It's killing me.  *rages in impotent fury*

[Josietta]

Okay, I think I figured out what happened, why everyone spontaneously voted me out last round -- and it's killing me that I can't talk about it.

It's killing me.  *rages in impotent fury*

impotent *giggles like a school girl*



Yanno... cuz I'm a-scared of the pirates fury.

[Autumn Sativus]

Gonna give another poke here for anyone who signed up for my Slender game who has not yet re-confirmed they still want to play. Most of you are playing in this game. Please take a look. :-)

[Ryven]

Awww but why meeeeeeee?

[Autumn Sativus]

Remi did it. ::)

[persephone325]

Yes. Let's blame it all on Remi. XD lol

[Remiel]

Mmmmph!  Mmmmph, mmmmm,  mmmmm.

[persephone325]

Mmmmph!  Mmmmph, mmmmm,  mmmmm.

INACCURATE!! This man's hands need to be tied as well. Otherwise, he could just take the tape off. :P

[lisar]

INACCURATE!! This man's hands need to be tied as well. Otherwise, he could just take the tape off. :P

Persephone - You seem quite familiar with this concept :D

[persephone325]

Persephone - You seem quite familiar with this concept :D

Haha. My lips are sealed... ;)

[persephone325]

Saffron, Kanrya's name is still listed in the players around to vote for. Just thought I'd point it out.

[Josietta]

I'm feeling really sick so imma plop up just a name and may later change it with added flavor text. Apologies for the lack of post.

[Autumn Sativus]

Guh. Sometimes it's hard to be a neutral party. I want to point stuff out so bad!!

[Valerian]

<.<

You can tell me...  ::)

[Autumn Sativus]

If I told you I'd have to kill you. *Giggles*

[persephone325]

* persephone325 couldn't resist poking at Josi

[yugi006]

Seems like I was totally wrong in my assumptions.

[persephone325]

Seems like I was totally wrong in my assumptions.

I have something to say to that, but I have to wait until after the game is over!! lol

[yugi006]

I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

[Galactic Druid]

Saff, I'm so sorry I missed the last vote! I'll be back to my normal schedule tomorrow everyone!

[Tharic]

Sorry, same here.. RL got the best of me unfortunately.

[James Moriarty]

Dear Saffron,

You are a crafty and wily one.  However, your curious ploy of leaving Mr B on the players list after he has died has made me suspicious that we have now transitioned into a zombie game, too.  And I am all for that.  Just please allow me to arm myself appropriately to protect my brainz.

Love,

The Professor

[Autumn Sativus]

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!

Yeeeah, I fixed it. >_>

*Grumbles* So demanding.

[James Moriarty]

Does this mean no zombies?

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Hrumph! Well, I never!  Innocent little me getting killed off.

--Watches the fun from the sidelines now--

[Valerian]

<.<  It's a little late to protest your innocence now, you know...

[persephone325]

<.<  It's a little late to protest your innocence now, you know...

I agree. :P lol

[Mr Bigglesworth]

Errrr they were fangs from the Halloween store maybe?

[Josietta]

*pouts cuz she was too sick to even get online and defend herself*

[Trieste]

Sorry, same here.. RL got the best of me unfortunately.

I was just telling Saffypants that that seems to be the theme of this game.

[Remiel]

And yet, you guys somehow have time to send over a thousand PMs to each other...  :P

[Tharic]

And yet, you guys somehow have time to send over a thousand PMs to each other...  :P

Jealous?  :P

[Starlequin]

I'll get my vote in as soon as I can get to a working keyboard later this afternoon.

[Remiel]

Jealous?  :P

Is it obvious?  :-\

[Josietta]

* Josietta haunts the place especially her former alliance :P  leaving ghostly goo in their underwear drawers and shoes

[Trieste]

And yet, you guys somehow have time to send over a thousand PMs to each other...  :P

If it's not 2k by the second day, I'm not doing it right. >.>

I'll get my vote in as soon as I can get to a working keyboard later this afternoon.

And he uses it to call me names! *hand to forehead* Alas, Starlequin!

[Remiel]

See, my survival strategy was to lay low, keep a low profile, and wait for people to come to me.  Clearly that didn't work.  I'm thinking that I might have to change it up and become much more proactive the next time around...

[persephone325]

See, my survival strategy was to lay low, keep a low profile, and wait for people to come to me.  Clearly that didn't work.  I'm thinking that I might have to change it up and become much more proactive the next time around...

Maybe you shouldn't tell one person you're the doctor, and then publicly announce you're the bodyguard... ;) Haha.

[Remiel]

Mmmmph! 

[persephone325]

Mmmmph! 

lol Again, I must point out the inconsistency in that picture... :P

[persephone325]

Ugh. Crappy day... :'(

On a happy note, I've been able to tweak things and add new roles to my assassins game! I'm excited to run it again for you guys. (Hope it's OK that I talk about it here, Saffron. I know some people get a bit upset if other people try to promote their games in other game threads...)

[Autumn Sativus]

Do you want me to add it to the upcoming list? I know RPguy and I have a couple of games already planned so it might be good to get that going again.

[persephone325]

Sure. I'm fine with that!

I didn't know whether I should message you and ask, or post in the "Upcoming Games" thread again. ^.^

[Autumn Sativus]

Sorry guys, busy weekend and week for me. I'll try to get things moving tonight.

[Josietta]

* Josietta breaks out the riding crop and eyes Saffypants

[Autumn Sativus]

...You're dead woman. xD

[lisar]

* lisa  is afraid this will do nothing but delay the post

[Josietta]

...You're dead woman. xD

*meeps then remembers she's dead in game and it wasn't an actual threat to take the crop after her instead >.> *

[Autumn Sativus]

It might be both. >_>

[Josietta]

* Josietta whimpers and hides under the couch

[Autumn Sativus]

But that's my spot! :o

[lisar]

Well there is a turn of events.  Takes over Josie's Hammock while she hides under the couch

[persephone325]

* persephone325 weeps for Lisar, and Yugi; who was voted out much too soon

:'(

[Josietta]

* Josietta scurries out from under the couch and climbs up into the hammock to curl up with Lisar

[lisar]

pulls a blanket up over her and Josie and "consoles" herself

[yugi006]

Gives some comfort to Lisar.

[Josietta]

[persephone325]

This is me, now. lol *anxiously waiting* God! There is SO MUCH I can't wait to tell you guys! lol

[Starlequin]

Drat! Our schemes are foiled! :P
Oh, that was a great game. You guys were awesome! Can't wait for the next one.

[persephone325]

OMG!! Val, you have NO idea how hard it was for me to vote you out!! It was ridiculous!!

I told you I would avenge you, Yugi! ;D lol

[Valerian]

Not hard enough, though, darn it!   ::)

And I didn't even vote against yugi...

[yugi006]

And I didn't even vote against yugi...

Probably why that triggered a red flag.

I told you I would avenge you, Yugi! ;D lol

You did but boy was I wrong about everyone. Lol.

[Galactic Druid]

I knew it!!! The moment you tried to turn attention to me I had a suspicion, Star. Then when Val tried to convince me in PM that going after you was impossible...

[persephone325]

Not hard enough, though, darn it!   ::)

And I didn't even vote against yugi...

* persephone325 weeps about losing her two lovers and her best friend... :'(

Haha. That was INTENSE, though! So many messages going back and forth!

Sorry I killed you, Mr B! Haha. Poor Lisa, though! I thought for sure that Tharic would have been gone that round. He seemed so sure of it.

[Remiel]

Wow. That was intense.  I have been playing these Mafia games since I first joined E, about four years ago, and I think this is the most cutthroat game I have ever seen.  It has literally been killing me having to keep my mouth shut about it these last two weeks--I've actually lost sleep over it.

I really feel like the vampires should have won this.  We had what I consider to be an All-Star group; we had turned the Guardian over to our side; and we knew the identity of the Doctor.  We should have run the table.   Instead, we turned on each other and sold each other down the river.

I really can't stay mad at anyone, though (Luv you, Josi  :-*).  Part of it was that I was a complete barking idiot and neglected to read the role descriptions carefully--for some reason, I assumed the Vampire Hunter was part of this game--and part of it was how truly Machiavellian Valerian was, manipulating people and pitting them against each other.  I can't even stay mad at Valerian, I'm just so goddamned impressed.  Very well done.  Of course, you realize this means that I'll never ever be able to trust you again  ;)

But I'd just like to point out to everybody that the two people who were behind the "Never Trust Remiel" movement were the two who turned out to be completely untrustworthy themselves.  :-) 

[Ryven]

Wow. That was intense.  I have been playing these Mafia games since I first joined E, about four years ago, and I think this is the most cutthroat game I have ever seen.  It has literally been killing me having to keep my mouth shut about it these last two weeks--I've actually lost sleep over it.

I really feel like the vampires should have won this.  We had what I consider to be an All-Star group; we had turned the Guardian over to our side; and we knew the identity of the Doctor.  We should have run the table.   Instead, we turned on each other and sold each other down the river.

I really can't stay mad at anyone, though (Luv you, Josi  :-*).  Part of it was that I was a complete barking idiot and neglected to read the role descriptions carefully--for some reason, I assumed the Vampire Hunter was part of this game--and part of it was how truly Machiavellian Valerian was, manipulating people and pitting them against each other.  I can't even stay mad at Valerian, I'm just so goddamned impressed.  Very well done.  Of course, you realize this means that I'll never ever be able to trust you again  ;)

But I'd just like to point out to everybody that the two people who were behind the "Never Trust Remiel" movement were the two who turned out to be completely untrustworthy themselves.  :-)

You're a worthwhile scapegoat, Rem.  ;)

[persephone325]

lol Remi.

Most of my assumptions about roles were right. Until it came down to the end. I was 100% positive that Trie and James were the siblings. But I was at least glad when Trie was voted out. (No offense!) After that, I still thought James was the innocent sibling. He messaged me and said he had a special role on the innocent side. Naturally, I assumed he was the sibling because I knew the other good guy special roles.

Lisa told me about Mr B, and with her and Val's help, I took him out during the night phase. Must not have been too long after he was turned... Lisa also told me that Remi told her that he was the doctor. Which immediately put me on guard when he publicly announced he was bodyguard. And not long after Lisa told me, Val asked me to change my vote. So I did.

I knew Josi was the Sire, and was immediately suspicious of her because of the way she kept changing her vote. My instinct was like "There's no way she's innocent. I can feel it in my bones." lol

When it came down to the end, I was still suspicious of James, Guy and Star. In all honesty, I really wanted to vote out Star because it really killed me to vote out Val. Especially after she was so helpful to me and Lisa. But Tharic messaged me and said that Val had asked him not to talk to me. I was like "Really?? Why would she say that?" After that, I was a bit guarded, but pretended like nothing was wrong.

And then when Val messaged me after I broke the tie, I felt absolutely terrible!! :'( Haha.

But goddamn! That was really some game!

[lisar]

Persephone, I thought Tharic was going too!

Remi - When you told me you were the bodyguard, it was too late.  Any communication we had after that was just me trying to get information from you...

This was my first Mafia game... when we had the false start I was a bit leery.  This was a lot of fun.  I hope to get to play again!

[Remiel]

Remi - When you told me you were the bodyguard, it was too late.  Any communication we had after that was just me trying to get information from you...

I did find out (and told all the vamps) that Tharic was the Doctor, though.  :-)

[Valerian]

When it came down to the end, I was still suspicious of James, Guy and Star. In all honesty, I really wanted to vote out Star because it really killed me to vote out Val. Especially after she was so helpful to me and Lisa. But Tharic messaged me and said that Val had asked him not to talk to me. I was like "Really?? Why would she say that?" After that, I was a bit guarded, but pretended like nothing was wrong.

But... I never said that!  O.o

Wow. That was intense.  I have been playing these Mafia games since I first joined E, about four years ago, and I think this is the most cutthroat game I have ever seen.  It has literally been killing me having to keep my mouth shut about it these last two weeks--I've actually lost sleep over it.

I really feel like the vampires should have won this.  We had what I consider to be an All-Star group; we had turned the Guardian over to our side; and we knew the identity of the Doctor.  We should have run the table.   Instead, we turned on each other and sold each other down the river.

I really can't stay mad at anyone, though (Luv you, Josi  :-*).  Part of it was that I was a complete barking idiot and neglected to read the role descriptions carefully--for some reason, I assumed the Vampire Hunter was part of this game--and part of it was how truly Machiavellian Valerian was, manipulating people and pitting them against each other.  I can't even stay mad at Valerian, I'm just so goddamned impressed.  Very well done.  Of course, you realize this means that I'll never ever be able to trust you again  ;)

But I'd just like to point out to everybody that the two people who were behind the "Never Trust Remiel" movement were the two who turned out to be completely untrustworthy themselves.  :-) 

Aw, you're just saying that.    ;D  *hugs*

I'd never had a role like this before, so it was all new to me... but I did have some good luck, first of all, and of course I had an excellent co-conspirator in Starlequin.  *high fives!*  But I have to admit, the whole turning people against each other thing worked out better than I'd hoped.  I honestly wasn't sure we'd make it this far.  Maybe I'm more Machiavellian than I ever realized.   ::)

[persephone325]

But... I never said that!  O.o

How do I know that?? :P lol I'm just going by what Tharic told me.

[Remiel]

It sounds like Tharic was doing a bit of manipulating of his own.  ;D

[Tharic]

Trust me.. I was doing just a wee bit of manipulation there..

I don't have the time right now to post a full blow by blow, but I'm planning to go through all the PM's and do a timeline type thing from my POV. It will probably be Monday/Tuesday before I get a chance to do it though.

Curse you Val.. you and your shifty eyes in the grass! All convincing me you were so innocent! haha.

Seriously though, what gave you away to me was how you wouldn't come back to lisar and I after stuff happened the last few days. I had suspicions all through and I'd tell lisa that I wasn't sure we could trust you. But especially when she died (and not me - i FULLY expected to die) and you never sent me a PM or anything or reach out to me. At that point, I was convinced you were the vampire.

When it came down to the end, I was still suspicious of James, Guy and Star. In all honesty, I really wanted to vote out Star because it really killed me to vote out Val. Especially after she was so helpful to me and Lisa. But Tharic messaged me and said that Val had asked him not to talk to me. I was like "Really?? Why would she say that?" After that, I was a bit guarded, but pretended like nothing was wrong.

Oh and Pers.. Yea.. I may have stretched that a LIIIITTTTLE bit. Lets just say I needed to break the bond between you and Val and sway you over to my side.

I did find out (and told all the vamps) that Tharic was the Doctor, though.  :-)

Because I TOLD you..haha. I was a bit too trusting of you Remi. But Val did sell you down the river. I was talking to her and lisar about our conversations and was unsure if I should tell you my role or not when lisar connected you and I together. I sent you the PM saying I was the doctor, etc and like 5 minutes later Val sends me a PM and is like 'Uh, don't trust Remi, someone else claimed to be the bodyguard'  (paraphrasing). And I was like ~facepalm~ I just told him I'm the doctor.. That was probably my biggest stumble in the game, revealing myself too quickly to you.

Although revealing myself too quickly to Val probably didn't help - haha.

Oh and yes, Josi did confront me and revealed a ton.. She knew / realized I was putting pieces together I suppose. So we signed a deal in blood (and love - lol- )

Great game though. It literally consumed me some days. I do an unbelievable amount of negotiating and work on this. I'm just amazed I made it to the end.

I still want to know why Val killed lisa the last night and not me!!

[Starlequin]

I knew it!!! The moment you tried to turn attention to me I had a suspicion, Star. Then when Val tried to convince me in PM that going after you was impossible...

Haha, I'm afraid I miscalculated from the beginning. We didn't leave enough players to obscure our motives, so we were forced to start accusing... well, pretty much everyone left who DIDN'T have a Special Role. I figured painting you as a target would tip someone off, but it was the only option we had. Sorry, mate.  :D

Wow. That was intense.  I have been playing these Mafia games since I first joined E, about four years ago, and I think this is the most cutthroat game I have ever seen.  It has literally been killing me having to keep my mouth shut about it these last two weeks--I've actually lost sleep over it.

I really feel like the vampires should have won this.  We had what I consider to be an All-Star group; we had turned the Guardian over to our side; and we knew the identity of the Doctor.  We should have run the table.   Instead, we turned on each other and sold each other down the river.

I really can't stay mad at anyone, though (Luv you, Josi  :-*).  Part of it was that I was a complete barking idiot and neglected to read the role descriptions carefully--for some reason, I assumed the Vampire Hunter was part of this game--and part of it was how truly Machiavellian Valerian was, manipulating people and pitting them against each other.  I can't even stay mad at Valerian, I'm just so goddamned impressed.  Very well done.  Of course, you realize this means that I'll never ever be able to trust you again  ;)

But I'd just like to point out to everybody that the two people who were behind the "Never Trust Remiel" movement were the two who turned out to be completely untrustworthy themselves.  :-)

Yeah, the Vampires would have cleaned house if not for the Siblings. Like I said, I miscalculated. We really should have let you guys thin the herd for us a little more, so to speak.  >:)

But you did prove to be a Vampire, so I think we were kinda justified in the whole "Get Remiel" ploy... >.>' *whistles innocently*

lol Remi.

Most of my assumptions about roles were right. Until it came down to the end. I was 100% positive that Trie and James were the siblings. But I was at least glad when Trie was voted out. (No offense!) After that, I still thought James was the innocent sibling. He messaged me and said he had a special role on the innocent side. Naturally, I assumed he was the sibling because I knew the other good guy special roles.

Lisa told me about Mr B, and with her and Val's help, I took him out during the night phase. Must not have been too long after he was turned... Lisa also told me that Remi told her that he was the doctor. Which immediately put me on guard when he publicly announced he was bodyguard. And not long after Lisa told me, Val asked me to change my vote. So I did.

I knew Josi was the Sire, and was immediately suspicious of her because of the way she kept changing her vote. My instinct was like "There's no way she's innocent. I can feel it in my bones." lol

When it came down to the end, I was still suspicious of James, Guy and Star. In all honesty, I really wanted to vote out Star because it really killed me to vote out Val. Especially after she was so helpful to me and Lisa. But Tharic messaged me and said that Val had asked him not to talk to me. I was like "Really?? Why would she say that?" After that, I was a bit guarded, but pretended like nothing was wrong.

And then when Val messaged me after I broke the tie, I felt absolutely terrible!! :'( Haha.

But goddamn! That was really some game!

*is wounded!* How could you have possibly suspected Innocent Lil Ol' Moi?! *sniffles* I thought we were buds... :P

But... I never said that!  O.o
Aw, you're just saying that.    ;D  *hugs*

I'd never had a role like this before, so it was all new to me... but I did have some good luck, first of all, and of course I had an excellent co-conspirator in Starlequin.  *high fives!*  But I have to admit, the whole turning people against each other thing worked out better than I'd hoped.  I honestly wasn't sure we'd make it this far.  Maybe I'm more Machiavellian than I ever realized.   ::)

*hi fives!* That was some terrific scheming, if I do say so myself. I love these games, haha.

[persephone325]

*is wounded!* How could you have possibly suspected Innocent Lil Ol' Moi?! *sniffles* I thought we were buds... :P

lol Well maybe if someone had turned me... Haha. I actually (secretly) was hoping that would happen... ;)

[Starlequin]

I was trying to turn you! If you had only listened to my final, heartfelt pleadings, my dear sis would have TOTALLY taken you upstairs and made you, like, an honorary vampire... or something... XD

[persephone325]

I was trying to turn you! If you had only listened to my final, heartfelt pleadings, my dear sis would have TOTALLY taken you upstairs and made you, like, an honorary vampire... or something... XD

lol Yeah... I'm sure. :P Haha. XD

[Trieste]

See, my survival strategy was to lay low, keep a low profile, and wait for people to come to me.  Clearly that didn't work.  I'm thinking that I might have to change it up and become much more proactive the next time around...

I don't think it's your playing style, per se, that makes people trust or mistrust you. No matter what role I have, people are like "Trie's a baddie". It just happens that way. :P

I did find this game interesting and frustrating - I just didn't have the time to devote to it. Sorry to my fellow vamps - I feel like you guys got a poor showing from me. But I'm not sorry I sold out Val. ::) *fingerpoints* Next time, Gadget.

[Remiel]

I don't think it's your playing style, per se, that makes people trust or mistrust you. No matter what role I have, people are like "Trie's a baddie". It just happens that way. :P

I did find this game interesting and frustrating - I just didn't have the time to devote to it. Sorry to my fellow vamps - I feel like you guys got a poor showing from me. But I'm not sorry I sold out Val. ::) *fingerpoints* Next time, Gadget.

I know!  I was talking to Saffron about it and she mentioned that it was only too easy for Valerian and Starlequin to turn people against us.  Seriously, what's up with that?

Don't feel bad; as stated, I was kind of an idiot this game and didn't realize what was going on until exactly two days too late.  At least you had the sense to take Val down with you *high five*

But yes, next time.

[Trieste]

Every time I've rolled things like villager or (god forbid) seer or such, the wolves have won. Coincidence? I think not! ;D

[Autumn Sativus]

I guess I don't need to post the PM rundown, you guys did that for me! XD

[lisar]

I was surprised how much stock people put into their personal relationships while playing.  I don't know most of you, so I could only assume that you're all lying ::)  I would ask one player why they thought another player was innocent and it wasn't because of what they learned in game, but what they knew outside the game.  "_____ can't lie to me". 

[persephone325]

I guess I don't need to post the PM rundown, you guys did that for me! XD

lol Just trying to make things easier for you! ;) Haha.

I almost took Trie out with my ability more than once. And the same with James. I was so tempted to kill him, cause he just seemed like he was lying about everything. Even when I had to break the tie... I was really tempted to change my vote back to him. Haha!

[yugi006]

I was surprised how much stock people put into their personal relationships while playing.  I don't know most of you, so I could only assume that you're all lying ::)  I would ask one player why they thought another player was innocent and it wasn't because of what they learned in game, but what they knew outside the game.  "_____ can't lie to me".

I never did any of that.

[James Moriarty]

I had a wonderful time, despite the fact that I knew nothing about what was going on and was almost voted out twice!  Talk about confused...

[Galactic Druid]

I honestly cannot believe I survived to the end. I got Yugi killed trying to save JM, my alliance with Josi, who turned out to be Sire, was practically public knowledge, and I made several other mistakes all while being somewhat vocal. I can't believe anyone still trusted me/ didn't kill me by the end.

[persephone325]

I honestly cannot believe I survived to the end. I got Yugi killed trying to save JM, my alliance with Josi, who turned out to be Sire, was practically public knowledge, and I made several other mistakes all while being somewhat vocal. I can't believe anyone still trusted me/ didn't kill me by the end.

I was really vocal around the end, too. I was pretty much starting confrontations, it seems. Haha. But that's only because I was so sure as to who had what role. For the most part, I was right. lol

[Josietta]

RPGuy> Like I told you and JM, I keep my promises. ;)   I didn't turn on you and worked my tail off to keep you alive! :P

It was that damn back and forth voting in the first lynch that got me targeted! 

I still think changing up votes often is not a bad thing. Sometimes ya gotta just throw down a vote to keep the game going and then after you talk to people you can change it. Thats what happened to me. I talked to yugi and swapped my vote from him to JM, then JM PMs me and swears Yugi is a vamp so because JM was in my alliance and RPGuy trusts him implicitly I change my vote back to Yugi.  Thats where all that back and forth came from. I voted first then did all my talking to people.

And yes yes.. I schemed and plotted and manipulated like hell!  Its how you gotta work it to get where you wanna be! :P  When I knew people were starting to target me I decided I had to get those damn siblings out and I was convinced it was Remiel and Lisar for a while.  Even Val was nudging me in that direction :P  (Darn sibling in disguise!!)  So you can imagine my surprise when Remiel (*blows kisses*) turned out to NOT be the sibling! I was flabbergasted! Then I started freaking out and was confused and mistrusting everyone! lol

It was around then that I pretty much made a blood and love pact with Tharic, spilling my guts about nearly everyone but Val.  I didn't tell him once that val was a vampie because I trusted her and thought she was a "innocent vampire"  -- little did i know!

Ah well... such is the way of Mafia!  I had fun though! Often I get into these games and I get no contact from anyone unless I'm a bad guy. But this last time (and the one before the restart) I decided to take it into my own hands and form alliances!  I'm glad i did because it was so much more fun this way!

I will say this though.. just like in Survivor or any other reality game show sort of thing.. Alliances can be a lifesaver!  Don't forget that people.. ya gotta get involved like that and not be afraid to put a wee bit of trust in people even if you don't completely trust them! 

[Remiel]

Well, yes, alliances are good, but you're really not supposed to make alliances with the opposite team.  Unless, of course, your intention is to string them along and deceive them.  Or that's your role, as was the case with the siblings in this game.

[persephone325]

Something funny I told Val in a PM... *giggles at the thought now* lol

To be honest, even if you were the sibling (vampire or otherwise), I really wouldn't mind because you've been on our side from the beginning.