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Vekseid

http://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/174.34.164.130
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL193355

That's pretty much all she wrote in terms of being able to send email from our soon-to-be-ex-host.

I have turned off all e-mail notifications for all members on both Elliquiy and Blue Moon, and am commencing the move to the new e-mail server immediately after I finish making this announcement. Since that host charges ten times as much for ip addresses, this should be the last I have to deal with this shit.

Me pissed? Yes. This explains why Google is coming down hard on 'us' all of the sudden.

In any case, if you're a prospective member, or are trying to get a password reset, or anything of that variety, please try again later this evening or tomorrow morning.

Please do not try to reenable notifications until I've moved mail to our server in Florida. I will provide an update when that occurs.

Had a few minor gotchas with the new host in Chicago, but things are close to finished on that front. I'm planning to move a week from Monday (August 19th). The site will be down one or two days, depending on how long it takes to get replication going smoothly.

http://worldenoughandtime.net and http://lunarradiance.net are both active on the Florida server, and will not be affected by the move because they have already moved. The Mumble Server is running on the new slave server in Chicago, and likewise will be unaffected.




Finally, as some of you are aware, this is not an inexpensive operation, in terms of up front costs (~$4k), monthly costs (~$800) or my own time. None of this would be remotely possible without the support of people who value what Elliquiy or Blue Moon provide them.

My Dwolla account is here if you wish to support it, and you can see Paypal information up top. Every bit of help is appreciated, but please remember the first two rules.
1) If money is tight for you, do not donate money.
2) If money is tight for you, do not donate money.

Linking to Elliquiy and Blue Moon, telling people about these places - everyone is enriched by each member that contributes positively to the atmosphere here.

More announcements will be forthcoming after the move, there are a number of projects going on in various stages of completion, and I hope you will find one or more to your liking.

Thank you for your patience, everyone.

Oniya

So, if I read that right, the fact that we're on the SBL has more to do with our being in a 'bad electronic neighborhood' than with anything that Elliquiy has kicked out.
"Language was invented for one reason, boys - to woo women.~*~*~Don't think it's all been done before
And in that endeavor, laziness will not do." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think we're never gonna win this war
Robin Williams-Dead Poets Society ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think your world's gonna fall apart
I do have a cause, though.  It's obscenity.  I'm for it.  - Tom Lehrer~*~All you need is your beautiful heart
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Vekseid

#2
Yes.

Yahoo has actually blocked us too, now, and just about everyone and their grandmother isn't far behind if they haven't already done so.

Not even going to bother trying to fight it this time. Just going to inform Yahoo/Microsoft/AOL that I'm ditching this neighborhood and hope our Florida host's prices and policies will keep spammers at bay.

And yes, this is actually not the first time. : /

steelsmiter

does this mean that E won't show up in searches?

I mean I guess since I'm here (IBTL) it doesn't matter... but that's pretty fucked up on their part.
I don't play in PMs
Who wants to join an incest registry?
O/Os
Download RPGs I wrote on my Discord!
So anyway I guess I'm steelsmiter on fetlife now. Hit me up and tell me you're from E!

Vekseid

This only affects email. Need to do some pretty actively nasty stuff to get blocked from searches.

steelsmiter

#5
Sweet. So if my birthday's 8/17, that means I'll be getting a (late) birtday present in a server upgrade ;D

Though admittedly I share your anger at the cause.
I don't play in PMs
Who wants to join an incest registry?
O/Os
Download RPGs I wrote on my Discord!
So anyway I guess I'm steelsmiter on fetlife now. Hit me up and tell me you're from E!

Ember Star

dang! Well, the move was happening anyway, so I guess it could've been worst. At least we have the reason why.
"One thing you who had secure or happy childhoods should understand about those of us who did not, we who control our feelings, who avoid conflicts at all costs or seem to seek them, who are hypersensitive, self-critical, compulsive, workaholic, and above all survivors, we're not that way from perversity. And we cannot just relax and let it go. We've learned to cope in ways you never had to." ~Author, Piers Anthony

ObscureObscenities

God I wish i could convince my boss to talk to you Vek's, at least you seem to do something about the crap that goes down. Our work emails keep getting flagged down, and put on the black lists cause of one idiot employee that can't figure out how to keep his email from getting taken by spammers constantly. It drops our website and everything else constantly, unfortunately, the idiot likes dealing personally and we are out in Washington, so it's just not going to happen. Salt in the wounds that I've got such close opportunity to have a decent tech person to help who i work for, and they are too stupid and stubborn about things to listen, c'est la vie.

jouzinka

Yikes! You do what you have to, Veks. And we are thankful for it. <3
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Haibane

Ugh, what a mess. I sent you some money via our joint a/c.

Rogue

... this explains where my emails have been going and why they've been so out of order...

backlash84

Quote from: Vekseid on August 09, 2013, 09:44:49 PM
This only affects email. Need to do some pretty actively nasty stuff to get blocked from searches.

Good thing we only deal in the good kind of nasty. :)

Sorry to hear this is going on... I'll be honest, not being very tech smart, I still have no clue whats going on. But I'm glad its fixable, love this site.

Vekseid

As the announcement now mentions, e-mail is functioning from Elliquiy again.

Vekseid

Search will be returning sometime after the move.

AndyZ

Quote from: Vekseid on August 10, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
As the announcement now mentions, e-mail is functioning from Elliquiy again.

Does that mean we're allowed to turn our Notify stuff back on?
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Beguile's Mistress

Quote from: AndyZ on August 10, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Does that mean we're allowed to turn our Notify stuff back on?

As the message in the ad bar requests please wait a few days.  If it's okay with Veks we could probably start on Tuesday.

AndyZ

Quote from: Beguile's Mistress on August 10, 2013, 09:05:34 PM
As the message in the ad bar requests please wait a few days.  If it's okay with Veks we could probably start on Tuesday.

Can do.  TY.

Edit: Just saw the message you meant.  I was still getting the old one.  TY all the same.
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Beguile's Mistress

You're welcome.  The original ad was up for a few hours before I saw and Veks had to nudge me toward it.

CriminalMindsFan

I feel stupid because I thought I knew a lot about how computers and the internet work. These issues show me that I don't really know anything about how the internet works. Thanks for keeping us updated and for all that you do to keep the site going.

flubber

So does this mean that I wont be able to use Gmail as my notification email site? I really dont want to have to sign up with another email provider.   :'(
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steelsmiter

no it means that you would need to wait a bit before turning notifications back on. I'm given to understand that this is going to be allowed pretty soon but haven't heard hard times on when.

That is unless you're in a hurry to get notifications. then yeah probably so.
I don't play in PMs
Who wants to join an incest registry?
O/Os
Download RPGs I wrote on my Discord!
So anyway I guess I'm steelsmiter on fetlife now. Hit me up and tell me you're from E!

Oniya

Remember:  Elliquiy provides on-site notifications in two ways:  One is if you bookmark specific threads, you can find them under the 'My Bookmarks' header just under the banner bar.  All bookmarked threads will be listed, and the ones with new postings will have the standard [NEW] marking next to them. 

If you don't want to bookmark, or forget to tag a thread that you've responded to, you can see if there are new responses by going to the 'Show new replies to your posts' link just above the banner bar on the right side of the screen.  This will show any threads that you have posted in that have received new posts.
"Language was invented for one reason, boys - to woo women.~*~*~Don't think it's all been done before
And in that endeavor, laziness will not do." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think we're never gonna win this war
Robin Williams-Dead Poets Society ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think your world's gonna fall apart
I do have a cause, though.  It's obscenity.  I'm for it.  - Tom Lehrer~*~All you need is your beautiful heart
O/O's Updated 5/11/21 - A/A's - Current Status! - Writing a novel - all draws for Fool of Fire up!
Requests updated March 17

Ember Star

Yeah, honestly, the only threads I get emails for are ones I click the "notify" by accident. Otherwise I just check the "show new replies to my posts" and if I haven't posted on it, I bookmark it. If I'm not on a lot, the PM emails can be handy, but there's honestly not a huge need for them either. They end up flooding my email and I don't see them until after I reply to the actual PM. There's plenty of ways to see what's new in things you're interested in without emails.
"One thing you who had secure or happy childhoods should understand about those of us who did not, we who control our feelings, who avoid conflicts at all costs or seem to seek them, who are hypersensitive, self-critical, compulsive, workaholic, and above all survivors, we're not that way from perversity. And we cannot just relax and let it go. We've learned to cope in ways you never had to." ~Author, Piers Anthony

Vekseid

Quote from: flubber on August 13, 2013, 02:46:11 AM
So does this mean that I wont be able to use Gmail as my notification email site? I really dont want to have to sign up with another email provider.   :'(

Gmail is fine now.

Dhi

I use the email notification system to see replies through my phone while I'm out in the field, when accessing E is not feasible. I'm glad it exists!

flubber

It's more for when I leave PM's as that's how I know that I have got them. Other than that I tend to check the threads I am in.

I am anybody's for a hug and a cup of tea. If you give me a plate of buscuits I'll love you forever!

RedPhoenix

 C:)
Quote from: Vekseid on August 10, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
Search will be returning sometime after the move.

Yay!!!!
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steelsmiter

I don't play in PMs
Who wants to join an incest registry?
O/Os
Download RPGs I wrote on my Discord!
So anyway I guess I'm steelsmiter on fetlife now. Hit me up and tell me you're from E!

Vekseid

Quote from: CriminalMindsFan on August 11, 2013, 10:26:48 PM
I feel stupid because I thought I knew a lot about how computers and the internet work. These issues show me that I don't really know anything about how the internet works. Thanks for keeping us updated and for all that you do to keep the site going.

Email is by far the most ridiculously complex commonly used protocol.

For DNS, I have to setup ptr records, mx records, spf records, dkim records, and dmarc records.

I maintain a special account with Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft, and most major ISPs.

Software-wise, I use Dovecot, Postfix, OpenDKIM, ClamAV and Spamassassin.

All told, the work I put into e-mail is roughly on par with everything else I do combined.

Sao

Is everything back to normal? I still don't receive any notification...

AurelieCatena

How do we "reenable notifications"?

I never disabled them and all my threads still have the "Unnotify" button. However, I do not receive any notification yet. Should I unnotify and renotify them all?

Geraint

#31
Quote from: AurelieCatena on August 14, 2013, 04:23:45 AM
How do we "reenable notifications"?

I never disabled them and all my threads still have the "Unnotify" button. However, I do not receive any notification yet. Should I unnotify and renotify them all?

Quote from: Sao on August 14, 2013, 01:52:57 AM
Is everything back to normal? I still don't receive any notification...


To reenable post notifications:

Go to the "Profile" menu, then click on "Account Settings" 

There click on the orange "Modify Profile" button and click on "Notifications"

At the bottom of the box it has the words "For topics and boards I've requested notification on, notify me of:" and then a drop down menu, which likely says "Nothing at All". 

From that menu, choose any of the other three options, and then press the blue "Save Settings" button.


To reenable notification for PMs, go back to the orange "Modify Profile"  button and choose "Personal Messaging".

The fourth line down says:

"Notify by email every time you receive a personal message:" followed by a drop down menu that likely says "Never".

Click on the menu and pick "Always" unless you only want notification on PMs from buddies.

Then click the blue "Change profile" button again

You're done then.


AurelieCatena

Thanks! I had only found the PM notification settings. Hopefully everything will work correctly now.


Vekseid

Will probably just provide straight links to them >_>

Ember Star

hahahah I've been here a year and I still haven't figured out how to label my PMs. Not that I have a need to.
"One thing you who had secure or happy childhoods should understand about those of us who did not, we who control our feelings, who avoid conflicts at all costs or seem to seek them, who are hypersensitive, self-critical, compulsive, workaholic, and above all survivors, we're not that way from perversity. And we cannot just relax and let it go. We've learned to cope in ways you never had to." ~Author, Piers Anthony

steelsmiter

Quote from: Vekseid on August 14, 2013, 05:37:31 PM
Will probably just provide straight links to them >_>
Hey I have to ask a tangential question: when we change over will it be possible to put an "Ignore" button next to the thread notify button so that when our character dies, we can hit ignore and not have the thread pop up in "Show new replies to your post"?
I don't play in PMs
Who wants to join an incest registry?
O/Os
Download RPGs I wrote on my Discord!
So anyway I guess I'm steelsmiter on fetlife now. Hit me up and tell me you're from E!

AmberStarfire

Are we ok to re-enable Gmail notifications now or should we wait a while?

(Thank you, btw.)


Vekseid

I generally hesitate to write changes to the schema directly (and that requires one) unless I can convince the SMF developers personally to make the same change. This has happened, and I got a near consensus for my userthread/userboard proposals to make that happen. I don't know if it's being implemented in future SMF revisions, however, because it is rather drastic.

To be fair, it's better than the reaction I got from the MyBB or phpBB folks.

Quote from: AmberStarfire on August 14, 2013, 06:36:40 PM
Are we ok to re-enable Gmail notifications now or should we wait a while?

(Thank you, btw.)

Some people already have, I just need the rampup to be a bit gradual so Senderscore and friends don't freak out.

AmberStarfire

#39
I think it could be done by just changing the php/html (and the sql within it). You shouldn't need to change the main database structure. I can think of one way but it's probably as un-optimized as you can get. You're going to have a select statement that compares dates between the last post in one table and the date you've logged in on another.. probably, as well as determining if there have been new posts in that time (likely using a view or temporary table?). So if you set up an ignore button (within a small form) in the PHP and have it add a NOT IN('this thread id') for every thread that you clicked 'ignore' on, it would eliminate it from the query results in the future. It is just, over time it would add up to some ridiculously huge list of threads not to look for. But.. it should work. And somebody would almost certainly click it by accident, so there should be something to reverse the process.

[Edit] And I thought of something else. Instead of just adding to the query, you could add 2 tables. One for ids of the threads that meet the criteria of appearing on the 'show new replies to your posts' list, and ones to be ignored. That way you could just query the tables without having a huge query building up. It would mean changing the database though. Just some ideas.


Nessy

Hi. thanks for all the hard work. Is e-mail notification working now. I did not receive an update, and i just want to make sure that is expected.
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Oniya

Have you re-enabled your notifications?

"Language was invented for one reason, boys - to woo women.~*~*~Don't think it's all been done before
And in that endeavor, laziness will not do." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think we're never gonna win this war
Robin Williams-Dead Poets Society ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~Don't think your world's gonna fall apart
I do have a cause, though.  It's obscenity.  I'm for it.  - Tom Lehrer~*~All you need is your beautiful heart
O/O's Updated 5/11/21 - A/A's - Current Status! - Writing a novel - all draws for Fool of Fire up!
Requests updated March 17

Nessy

Quote from: Oniya on August 14, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
Have you re-enabled your notifications?

Thank you. I overlooked those instructions somehow. I appreciate it.
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Misc. Long Term Ideas

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Vekseid

Quote from: AmberStarfire on August 14, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
I think it could be done by just changing the php/html (and the sql within it). You shouldn't need to change the main database structure. I can think of one way but it's probably as un-optimized as you can get. You're going to have a select statement that compares dates between the last post in one table and the date you've logged in on another.. probably, as well as determining if there have been new posts in that time (likely using a view or temporary table?). So if you set up an ignore button (within a small form) in the PHP and have it add a NOT IN('this thread id') for every thread that you clicked 'ignore' on, it would eliminate it from the query results in the future. It is just, over time it would add up to some ridiculously huge list of threads not to look for. But.. it should work. And somebody would almost certainly click it by accident, so there should be something to reverse the process.

Leading to the question of storing it, namely:

Quote
[Edit] And I thought of something else. Instead of just adding to the query, you could add 2 tables. One for ids of the threads that meet the criteria of appearing on the 'show new replies to your posts' list, and ones to be ignored. That way you could just query the tables without having a huge query building up. It would mean changing the database though. Just some ideas.

Several of said tables already exist. Unfortunately, they all horribly designed - I can't add it to any of them without having it affect something else (you choose to ignore a topic, now it's marked permanently read/unread/you're getting notifications for it/whatever), so I need to make yet another one. They were written back in the day when MyISAM was pretty much the only database engine so avoiding table locks was more important than making sense.

My logical inclination when coding this, however, would be just to fix that entire mess in one go, rather than adding to a mess that I desperately wanted to see cleaned up before I started on the new CMS.


AmberStarfire

Just the new tables could be InnoDB, but I can understanding wanting to re-organise things.

Are you switching over to a newer version of SMF or are you working on a customised version? (that's if you don't mind me asking)


Vekseid

Imagine 2.1 will get released before I get the new CMS polished enough for this place. Blue Moon may be running it several months beforehand, simply because the private conversation system is what I have gotten the most done on and it's what most people use BMR for.

Sao

Quote from: Geraint on August 14, 2013, 05:57:43 AM

To reenable post notifications:

Go to the "Profile" menu, then click on "Account Settings" 

There click on the orange "Modify Profile" button and click on "Notifications"

At the bottom of the box it has the words "For topics and boards I've requested notification on, notify me of:" and then a drop down menu, which likely says "Nothing at All". 

From that menu, choose any of the other three options, and then press the blue "Save Settings" button.


To reenable notification for PMs, go back to the orange "Modify Profile"  button and choose "Personal Messaging".

The fourth line down says:

"Notify by email every time you receive a personal message:" followed by a drop down menu that likely says "Never".

Click on the menu and pick "Always" unless you only want notification on PMs from buddies.

Then click the blue "Change profile" button again

You're done then.

yes, I did this, still nothing. I chose "only replies", now I'm trying the "replies and moderation"...let's see how it would be.

AurelieCatena

It works perfectly now. Thanks to Vek and all those who helped him.


Sao

I received a new pm and didn't get any notification before I decided to change to  "replies and moderation".

If by this

QuoteYou should get a notification for this though.

you meant I'd receive a notification of this thread then I still didn't...but I didn't subscribe to the thread. I'll do it now, to see if I get any luck.

Geraint

Quote from: Sao on August 15, 2013, 02:55:12 AM
I received a new pm and didn't get any notification before I decided to change to  "replies and moderation".

If by this

you meant I'd receive a notification of this thread then I still didn't...but I didn't subscribe to the thread. I'll do it now, to see if I get any luck.

Did you reenable your PM notifications as well, and if so, did you use the Always option?

Sao

Yes, I did. I also got a post from my partner at 03:57:19 AM (UTC +7) this morning and didn't get notification.

But I just got one for this thread now so I don't know...maybe I'll try turning off and on the notify of all my threads.

Geraint

Quote from: Sao on August 15, 2013, 03:25:06 AM
Yes, I did. I also got a post from my partner at 03:57:19 AM (UTC +7) this morning and didn't get notification.

But I just got one for this thread now so I don't know...maybe I'll try turning off and on the notify of all my threads.

If you got a notification for this thread, then you should get notifications for all threads you have notification on.  So it might be better to wait an see than to go to all that trouble.

As for the PM notifications, I don't know.  If you aren't getting them now, after reenabling them, then maybe only Veks can help you.    Sorry

AmberStarfire

I've put Gmail notifications back on now and they're working ok.

Quote from: Vekseid on August 14, 2013, 11:05:48 PM
Imagine 2.1 will get released before I get the new CMS polished enough for this place. Blue Moon may be running it several months beforehand, simply because the private conversation system is what I have gotten the most done on and it's what most people use BMR for.

Ok. I'm reluctant to go off on a tangent here.. too much, but is much different?


Oreo

Just checking in. Are we still going down for the Server change tomorrow? If so, what time will the rush of the lemmings begin?

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