In need of a Star Trek TOS geek

[Captain Maltese]

I'm building a costume featuring Captain Kirk in TOS, and have little but the below picture to go on for the chosen uniform type. As I have never actually seen a Star Trek episode - the series never aired on Norwegian TV channels - I'm struggling a little piecing the components together. I've found pics of the phaser with the built in microphaser, and the comm thingie, and will buy them off Ebay. I have a few questions though. For starters; has he ever worn the red jacket open? Is there a holster for that phaser? Exactly WHERE does he keep that comm thingie? I've seen a pic of him wearing what I think is the tricoderon a strap, but does he usually do that? Is there any other gear he uses that I'm unaware of completely? What does his boots look like? Is there a cap?

[WyldRanger]

Welp, first of all that the uniform from the movies not the series  ;D

Second of all this has good links to all the uniforms from all of the series:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_uniform

Third, I hope this helps some :)

In addition to that, the communicator in that specific time period became embedded in the badge on the left side of the chest.

[Captain Maltese]

I've tracked this image to the move The Voyage Home, if I'm not on the wrong track that is ;D

So, no need for a comm after all. One item less to deal with then. Next up: is that a dress uniform, or a work uniform?

[Captain Maltese]

Confusion: what the heck is he wearing here, and why isn't he wearing what Spock(?) wears?

[jouzinka]

I believe it is a dress uniform. It is a picture from the movie Star Trek: Generations, where Kirk and some of his former staff were invited to a maiden voyage of a new Enterprise. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek_Generations

[RubySlippers]

Yes in TOS they had long sleeved shirts with a jacket if in a cold climate was expected. Red was for security as in the famed "your a character in the show in a red shirt your going to die" was a fan joke aka a Red Shirt.

This is specifically the link to the TOS era and there are more options to take really seemed Star Fleet liked variety.
;)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_%28mid_23rd_century-2265%29

I think you want a yellowish brown sort of color for the Command services that Captain Kirk is wearing. For phaers the little phaser was worn in the back I think in the belt the larger one did have a waist holseter I think. The communicator was alsoworn under the belt in back. There were exceptions like if a Red Shirt was on actual military readiness they had a holster and perhaps a phaser rifle. In your case think discrete Kirk rarely carried a standard phaser but would have a small one tucked away. Security people were with him on dangerous missions so they would die first for him and the other important persons.

The movie was NOT TOS, you want the link above for that. And Spock had to hide his ears since it took place in 20th Century Earth so had the headband tied on. That is the picture the link specifi above is for the classic TOS era. Use that for a reference.

[Captain Maltese]

I'm looking at the yellow shirt as well, but my main focus is on that specific red uniform he's wearing in the pic in the first post. It'll be helpful to know if it's TOS or in a specific movie.

[jouzinka]

Confusion: what the heck is he wearing here, and why isn't he wearing what Spock(?) wears?

It may be just some leisure attire and since it is a poster I wouldn't suppose the two of them have to be necessarily connected (as in one scene, so they don't have to wear the same clothes). Spock is probably wearing the headband just to cover his pointy ears, I doubt it would have different purpose (as in being part of a usual dress code).

The red uniform was a part of Starfleet's dress code for eighty years. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(late_2270s-2350s)

I'm not a TOS geek, but I know I have seen Kirk in it in the Generations. ;)

[Captain Maltese]

Enterprise A's bridge, used in ST IV, V, and VI

[RubySlippers]

I'm a Star Trek fan those uniforms are all from the movies, I prefer the mini skirts for women in TOS myself over that. Uhura had nice gams.
;)

The link I posted is TOS above specific.

[Captain Maltese]

Closing in :D

[HairyHeretic]

I'm a Star Trek fan those uniforms are all from the movies, I prefer the mini skirts for women in TOS myself over that. Uhura had nice gams.
;)

'Trials and Tribbilations', DS9 episode.

Dax in original series uniform. Rawr  :D

[jouzinka]

Kirk was born in 2233 and was killed in action in 2293. Those uniforms were in use from late 2270, that means he wore it for more than twenty years (with a little pause from 2281 to 2284), that means there should be lots of pictures and I don't argue, that those uniforms were worn in those movies.

[Kurzyk]

The Nexus might have accounted for some of that lost time.

[HairyHeretic]

This might help. Looks to be the era you want

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(late_2270s-2350s)

[Captain Maltese]

I think I just hit the motherlode ;D 'History of Starfleet Uniforms 2154-2405' http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/other/uniforms.pdf

Apparently I want the Starfleet command officer's duty uniform, in service from 2278. Now I need to find out why some officers has the jacket flap open a little while other officers don't...

[jouzinka]

It's just a way of wearing them. Like someone would prefer a shirt buttoned up to the collar and someone else would leave last two or three buttons unfastened.

[Captain Maltese]

[Captain Maltese]

If anyone can find a pic of any officer in the red uniform having anything in their belts, then I'd love to see it.

[Captain Maltese]

On the bottom of this page http://www.startrekuniformguide.com/accessories2.html are shown three holsters. Which of them would be appropriate for 2278-98 or so?

[HairyHeretic]

None, from what I can see. They're all Next Generation / Voyager era.

[Captain Maltese]

Bummer. Wearing an officer's uniform but not having a holstered weapon - I'll feel naked!

[jouzinka]

Well, the phazers are disposed in a "locked" storage on the bridge and they are drawn only when there's a tactical alert... I suppose you are going to a "party" or let's call it a diplomatic mission, I wouldn't think you'd need a weapon. You're not a Klingon after all. ;)

[Captain Maltese]

Well, the phazers are disposed in a "locked" storage on the bridge and they are drawn only when there's a tactical alert... I suppose you are going to a "party" or let's call it a diplomatic mission, I wouldn't think you'd need a weapon. You're not a Klingon after all. ;)

Damn....Star Trek is evidently tamer than I thought ;D

[jouzinka]

Well, being a Klingon definitely DOES give you an excuse to come armed to your teeth even to Her Majesty's, Queen of Britain, audience. ;D But other than that... it's definitely not a practice of Starfleet officers to buzz around with weapons. ;)

[Captain Maltese]

Well, being a Klingon definitely DOES give you an excuse to come armed to your teeth even to Her Majesty's, Queen of Britain, audience. ;D But other than that... it's definitely not a practice of Starfleet officers to buzz around with weapons. ;)

Oh dear. Still, I guess when you come armed with a battleship a handweapon might not be essential. *whispers* Actually I'm a Babylon 5 fan....so I'll probably make a captain Sheridan uniform too. Yep, yet another of my favorite captains ;D

You have to admit that it's a hotter uniform than anything ST ever came up with? Of course, the black one that came afterwards looked dowright fascistic to me ;D

By the way, among trekkies the uniform I'm making is best know as the 'Monster Maroon'!

[jouzinka]

When you come armed with a battleship, there's always a chance your shields will fail and you'll get boarded. That's when the handweapons come in pretty handy.

Monster Maroon, how fitting. ;D To be honest, I can imagine they had to reset the environmental controls in the entire fleet some °C down, because this particular uniform looks like wraps. ;D

[HairyHeretic]

Well, being a Klingon definitely DOES give you an excuse to come armed to your teeth even to Her Majesty's, Queen of Britain, audience. ;D But other than that... it's definitely not a practice of Starfleet officers to buzz around with weapons. ;)

Plus Klingons are much more fun than the pyjama boys  (:}}

Qoy qeylIs puqloD
Qoy puqbe'pu'
yoHbogh malthbogh je' SuvwI'
Sey'moHchu' may' 'Iw
maSuv manong 'ej maHoHchu'
nI'be'yInmaj 'ach wovqu'!

batlh maH ghbej'jyoqIjDaq
vavpu'ma' DImuvpa'reH maSuvtaH
Qu' DamevQo' maSuvtaH, ma'ov

Translation:
Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill.
Our lives burn short and bright.
Then we die with honor and join our
fathers in the Black Fleet where we
battle forever, battling on through
the Eternal fight.

[Captain Maltese]

When you come armed with a battleship, there's always a chance your shields will fail and you'll get boarded. That's when the handweapons come in pretty handy.

Monster Maroon, how fitting. ;D To be honest, I can imagine they had to reset the environmental controls in the entire fleet some °C down, because this particular uniform looks like wraps. ;D

Yeah, it does look rather hot - and you are supposed to wear a turtleneck inside it! I'll be making mine of rather thin material.  and I might simply cut the collar of a white turtlenexx and sew that on, too ;D

[Oniya]

Plus Klingons are much more fun than the pyjama boys  (:}}

Qoy qeylIs puqloD
Qoy puqbe'pu'

Rumored to be an actual discussion:

Marc Okrand:  "I'm going to develop a language that completely eliminates the [k] sound!"
Roddenberry et al.:  "Marc - you do realize they're called Klingons, right?"

Edit:  If you do need to pretend to be speaking Klingon, and don't have the time and inclination to learn the actual conlang, just order Thai food with an attitude.  We used to confuse the actors at Kings Dominion with that trick.

[jouzinka]

Plus Klingons are much more fun than the pyjama boys  (:}}

I suppose there's some secret eternally hidden from me, otherwise I'm having quite serious issues, regarding a species, that has blood as a part of their mating ritual. ;D

[RubySlippers]

Oh dear. Still, I guess when you come armed with a battleship a handweapon might not be essential. *whispers* Actually I'm a Babylon 5 fan....so I'll probably make a captain Sheridan uniform too. Yep, yet another of my favorite captains ;D

You have to admit that it's a hotter uniform than anything ST ever came up with? Of course, the black one that came afterwards looked dowright fascistic to me ;D

By the way, among trekkies the uniform I'm making is best know as the 'Monster Maroon'!

Sure much better than MINISKIRTED and rather sexy women in TOS Star Trek ... not!

[Captain Maltese]

Plus Klingons are much more fun than the pyjama boys  (:}}

...what pyjamas?

[Captain Maltese]

Sure much better than MINISKIRTED and rather sexy women in TOS Star Trek ... not!

Well, I like my officers looking like officers - and that goes double for the female ones. Am I a special case for drooling after Lieutenant Ivanova? ;D

[HairyHeretic]

I suppose there's some secret eternally hidden from me, otherwise I'm having quite serious issues, regarding a species, that has blood as a part of their mating ritual. ;D

Klingons conquer what they desire. If you are not strong enough to conquer the one you wish to mate with, then you obviously do not deserve them.

...what pyjamas?

Its a derogatory term for the Federation, based on the fact thier uniforms look like pyjamas.

Agree with you on B5 though ... great show. G'Kar was a great character.

[Captain Maltese]

Oooh yes, G'kar will remain in my memory for the rest of my life. What a character, and what a character he had!

Yeah, that Monster Maroon is the first ST uniform I like. Those body condoms are ridiculous (and double so and SAD on anyone with a plus waistline) and those sweaters of the early series makes the bridge look like a frat house ;D

[Oniya]

Am I a special case for drooling after Lieutenant Ivanova? ;D

Not at all.  Not at all.

[Captain Maltese]

Ah, women in (proper) uniforms....

[HairyHeretic]

True. B5 had such good characters. Garibaldi. Marcus. G'Kar. All really excellent.

[Captain Maltese]

Yeah. The characters made deep impressions. But personally I was also very, very fond of the many quick witted conversations. It made an excellent contrast to the dark bits.

Star Trek is a different kind of show entirely, with morals and values and ideas put into script in a different time. Bisexual Ivanova would never have fitted in, abd Captain Sheridan would not have broken with top command on earth. Angels and devils would not turn out to be just players using the other races on a cosmic chess board.  ST is 'as American as apple pie'...in the 50s. Comparing the shows on equal terms are simply not possible. From my eyes of today B5 is clearly superior in every way. Then a couple of decades go and a much better ST will come, but B5 will probably never return. That world's story has been played out.

[HairyHeretic]

The way I best heard it described is along the lines of 'Star Trek is the way we'd like the future to be. Babylon 5 is the way it likely will be."

The dialogue in the series was very good. I liked some of the in jokes as well. Do you remember when Garibaldi quits his security job later in the series, and takes on a PI role? I think its in the opening scene of one episode, a guy comes to him with a case, saying his dog and cat are trying to take over the universe. Apparantly that was Scott Adams, Dilberts creator. I could see Dogbert trying to take over the universe alright  ;D

I think my all time favourite scene has to be the episode where Sheridan has spent his first night with Delenn. Sheridan walks out into the corridor, buckling up his tunic and falls into step with Lenier. The two take a few steps in silence before Lenier turns to Sheridan with a quizzical expression and just says "Woo hoo?"

That cracks me up every time I watch it.

[Captain Maltese]

The way I best heard it described is along the lines of 'Star Trek is the way we'd like the future to be. Babylon 5 is the way it likely will be."

The dialogue in the series was very good. I liked some of the in jokes as well. Do you remember when Garibaldi quits his security job later in the series, and takes on a PI role? I think its in the opening scene of one episode, a guy comes to him with a case, saying his dog and cat are trying to take over the universe. Apparantly that was Scott Adams, Dilberts creator. I could see Dogbert trying to take over the universe alright  ;D

I think my all time favourite scene has to be the episode where Sheridan has spent his first night with Delenn. Sheridan walks out into the corridor, buckling up his tunic and falls into step with Lenier. The two take a few steps in silence before Lenier turns to Sheridan with a quizzical expression and just says "Woo hoo?"

That cracks me up every time I watch it.

*grins* the whoo hoo one I remember. One other is from the military canteen, where I think it's Garibaldi who complains of the food. Sheridan baldfaced refers to the rulebook page this paragraph that, under SUAEI. G asks '...SUAEI?' and the entire table replies loudly 'SHUT UP AND EAT IT'.

Damn, now I'll be digging up my entire collection of downloaded B5 quotes and the video clips from their then website. All the latter ones were in the form of communiques and messages. One of the latter: Garibaldi sits before a desk looking at you and says "As the security officer of Babylon Five I have excercised my right to take a look at your computer files. And you have some explaining to do."

[Captain Maltese]

[Captain Maltese]

Since we were talking about female officers in scifi:

[HairyHeretic]

Did you get the ones of the female stormtroopers? Or the samurai stormtrooper?

[Captain Maltese]

Never seen'em.






Hmmm....pirate sense prickling...how come I get a feeling that the Captain Kirk of the later period is best suited for attracting the attention of grandmothers? Not that there aren't some grandmothers I would't mind the attention of, but...

[HairyHeretic]

Don't have the female stormtrooper ones, but this is the other

[Captain Maltese]

...beautiful!