7 year old brat gets away with killing spree of endangered reptiles

[Sabby]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article4874657.ece

-__- sickening... absolutely sickening, and he's protected by law because of his age. Little brat will be a criminal and a killer by the time he's old enough to be charged. And considering some of his victims were endangered... somethings gotta be done.

[Will]

That's awful.  Surely they'll be able to put the screws to the parents, though.  His older brother attacked the crocodile as well, so I see a bit of a pattern that makes me feel like the parents should be beaten and sued, and have the ability to procreate painfully taken away.

[HairyHeretic]

Story was from October though. Is there a follow up to it?

[Oniya]

The zoo is considering pursuing legal action against the parents.  He had to get to the zoo somehow, and it's a good bet that someone over ten helped him get there.  Apparently the boy's brother had been involved in an attack on that same crocodile five years ago, which is another possibility for who got him to the zoo.  

[Trieste]

... oh ... oh god. That is so many levels of horrible... :(

[ZByte]

I truly hope that he gets his just rewards, preferably by trying to do it again and being eaten by the crocodile.  He's obviously psychotic, to the point in making this sound like the backstory to another Hannibal Lecter.  They should look beyond his age and notice that he's mentally unstable before he gravitates to human lives, him and his brother.

The parents should probably be sterilized, too, or put into a research lab.  They're apparently very good at spawning monsters, and they could be the cure to finding the murderer gene.  Whatever would keep them from screwing up at parenting again, I'm for.

[The Overlord]

Yeah, sadly this little walking pile of dung won't be accountable by law since he's too young, but all the legal costs and the costs of replacing those animals should be placed squarely on the family. If anything, the kid's ass is going to get lit up good by his old man then.

If he was my kid I'd beat his ass so hard my grandkids would be born spinning, and for something this heinous, if someone wanted to report me for doing it I'd show it to them too. What a repulsive little monster.  >:(

[Sabby]

This is a time where I actually like the idea of military school. Perhaps a few long years slogging it and learning what its like to suffer will open his eyes a little and he'll be able to show his face in normal society. Reform is always better then punishment, but its a whole lot harder :(

[RubySlippers]

I don't see the big deal other than this little boy killed animals owned by a public entityt that then makes this a simple civil matter sue the parents for the value of the merchandise in this case the animals.

Really I eat hamburgers and steaks they breed animals for food and then eviscerate them on cruel assembly lines so I can get my Steak & Shake Steakburgers? They are animals not people, at least yet when he kills a person then its a concern and he is only eight and will likely not be Jack the Ripper when he grows up.

[elenisil]

I don't see the big deal other than this little boy killed animals owned by a public entityt that then makes this a simple civil matter sue the parents for the value of the merchandise in this case the animals.

Really I eat hamburgers and steaks they breed animals for food and then eviscerate them on cruel assembly lines so I can get my Steak & Shake Steakburgers? They are animals not people, at least yet when he kills a person then its a concern and he is only eight and will likely not be Jack the Ripper when he grows up.

there is a difference, a big difference it is an 'endangered species' meaning once their species is decimated than there will be no more.  It's why we have laws in place to protect endangered species to keep mans greed and stupidity in check.

You may want to check serial killers, many of them tortured, maimed and killed animals as children.  It's a small step to go from killing animals to humans if we coddle them due to age.

There was a case a few years ago in Waco Tx where a stray cat had been adopted by a local taco bell and they fed the cat nightly.  One night the cat didnt show up...some basketball players from Baylor U had tortured the cat, skinning it and decapitating it.  All they got was a slap on the hand...outrageous..

[Silk]

In my opinion, it shouldnt matter as to what the animal is, example the above poster about the cat, why does it matter what the animal is? the person who did it has just shown he has the capability of doing it stop looking at the victim of it and just treat the guilty the same as it would anything else.

Only in extreme curcumstances anyway like torture, i still beleive that Rat poison should be taken off the market because of what it does, it is not humaine get the traps, sure it might be a bit messy and not die instantly sometimes, but rat poison is based on worphyrin/worphirin which is an anti haemocoagulant. It causes severe blood thining and overdose causes internal haemoraging. Now this is painful and distressing,

Yeah humaine  ::)

Anyway back on topic i would quite happily send this kid away to a milirary school or a juvinial containment facility.

[magnamos]

You got that right. They're BREED animals FOR FOOD. Besides those 'cruel' assembly lines are not cruel at all. Actually there are even scientists at work researching the most relaxing way to slaughter cattle for food processing. While it might look cruel actually it's way more cruel if a Tiger breaks the neck of it's prey or rips out the throat. I don't see any eco-fanatics roaming the jungle and trying to convince Tigers to become vegetarians or at least show them how to kill there prey in a more humanly way.

This little piece of shit killed animals meant TO BE PROTECTED. That's what a zoo is for. I'm sorry to say that but this attitude made our society of today what it is. People always act too late. The americans at least got the death panalty in some states. Here in germany they dig as long in the past of a murderer until they find a disturbing event to get him into psychatry. When he's 'healed' they let him free to kill again and after he massacred some more people they blame the society for not leading the poor lost soul back accordingly.

Fuck all this! Shoot that little bastard right away and safe his parents the trouble to get into conflict with the law in an attempt to correct the mistake they made 7 years ago!

I know that this sounds really aggressive and rough but look at it my way and you might understand. The law that tries to act in the border's it made itself is constantly outmanouvered or even beaten by people that are not afraid to leave these borders. All the institutions of the law got my respect for still fighting but they can't win in the long run with there wrists bound on there back. The whole society is held responsible for a single person. Why isn't a single person held responsible for all the society? The door has to swing in both directions for this way to work. If a medic finds cancer there is an imediate action to fight the infested body regions with agressive pharmacy. Why is society treaded differently? Why do we even feed the cancer in hope that it will cure itself? IT CAN'T CURE ITSELF. It has to be cut out and destroyed. If you have stolen something you may deserve a second chance. If you have betrayed your partner you may deserve a second chance but if you have taken a life, you deserve death!

This child shows a very sardistic nature. It's very likely that it will become an asshole and not a working part of society. It will only hold the rest of society back and keep us from evolving and growing into an even better society. Better remove it before it can cause more damage.

[elenisil]

In my opinion, it shouldnt matter as to what the animal is, example the above poster about the cat, why does it matter what the animal is? the person who did it has just shown he has the capability of doing it stop looking at the victim of it and just treat the guilty the same as it would anything else.

Only in extreme curcumstances anyway like torture, i still beleive that Rat poison should be taken off the market because of what it does, it is not humaine get the traps, sure it might be a bit messy and not die instantly sometimes, but rat poison is based on worphyrin/worphirin which is an anti haemocoagulant. It causes severe blood thining and overdose causes internal haemoraging. Now this is painful and distressing,

Yeah humaine  ::)

Anyway back on topic i would quite happily send this kid away to a milirary school or a juvinial containment facility.

You are right, it doesn't matter what the animal is.  We have a responsibility to ensure they are treated well.  I ahbor animal cruelty of any type, no matter what the animal.  I was simply pointing out that once an endangered species is destroyed future generations will be deprived of their existence, as well as pointing out another case of animal cruelty that wasn't punished.

While I don't believe the child should be killed, I would have him castrated and locked in a mental institution for the rest of his days.

[magnamos]

That would be one way to solve the problem but actually I feel my butt hurts when I think of spending my hard earned tax money on a failure of evolution like that. I prefer to just get rid of him so he won't bother the financial situations of the state nor anyone of the society.

[Silk]

Billions of people go through life without causing crime, why cae for those that do so willingly?

[elenisil]

Billions of people go through life without causing crime, why cae for those that do so willingly?

When you have children you do whatever it takes to protect your offspring.  Some mothers do not have that 'mothering' instinct.  I do and have three children of my own.

Yes I hate my tax dollars spent to support a killer, but we do that routinely here in the states.  Our prison system is testament to that.

I couldn't stand by and watch any child executed any more than I would tolerate animal cruelty or abuse of any kind.

[Silk]

But having the heavy punishment there would be a testament to not do it in the first place, i think that kid would have thought twice if he knew he would have a heafty punishment for it, I mean the only people that have to care about extreme jail sentences are the people declaring them and the people that break them, you break the law then you should be struck off the list.

Think about it from this perspective, why should i care about a man who didnt care about the woman he raped and murdered? "Awww he still has human rights!" What about the human rights of the person he murdered! by giving him a soft sentence your basically kicking the corpse of the woman because HER rights were not upheld, then as a result the guy comes out.

Do we risk another innocent life to save a guilty one?

[mannik]

The punishment needs to fit the crime....

The Crime: Bludgeoning animals and feeding them to a crocodile.

The Punishment: Bludgeoning and fed to a crocodile.

[magnamos]

But having the heavy punishment there would be a testament to not do it in the first place, i think that kid would have thought twice if he knew he would have a heafty punishment for it, I mean the only people that have to care about extreme jail sentences are the people declaring them and the people that break them, you break the law then you should be struck off the list.

Think about it from this perspective, why should i care about a man who didnt care about the woman he raped and murdered? "Awww he still has human rights!" What about the human rights of the person he murdered! by giving him a soft sentence your basically kicking the corpse of the woman because HER rights were not upheld, then as a result the guy comes out.

Do we risk another innocent life to save a guilty one?

I love you Silk!

[Silk]

I love you Silk!

Love ya too hun :D

Another example of this strange mental capacity of people is people worrying about police having tasers in the UK, WHAT!? you make it sound like the police will be zapping every person they come across in the street! you only have to worry about tasers if your breaking the law/resisting arrest, or if you have a heart condition... I have a simple awnser for both concerns, DON'T BREAK THE LAW OR RESIST ARREST ITS NOT HARD!"

[HairyHeretic]

The punishment needs to fit the crime....

The Crime: Bludgeoning animals and feeding them to a crocodile.

The Punishment: Bludgeoning and fed to a crocodile.

Can we please round up all the spamscum peddling p3ni5 en1argment p1lls and v1/\gra, and lock them up with those who have already benefited from their products?  :D

[Silk]

Sure, have them done on harasment charges ;)

[mannik]

Can we please round up all the spamscum peddling p3ni5 en1argment p1lls and v1/\gra, and lock them up with those who have already benefited from their products?  :D

That sounds acceptable

[HairyHeretic]

Actually I was thinking more in terms of pro/celebrity public executions, preferably in amusing ways tied to the spam they sent out.

But I have a hatred of spamscum that would leave even a Sith Lord going "Dude, seriously, lighten up there."  :D

[mannik]

Actually I was thinking more in terms of pro/celebrity public executions, preferably in amusing ways tied to the spam they sent out.

But I have a hatred of spamscum that would leave even a Sith Lord going "Dude, seriously, lighten up there."  :D

I am reminded of a scene from Family Guy....

[HairyHeretic]

Which scene is that?

[mannik]

Which scene is that?

The one where they guys are trying to get Quagmire to change his lustful ways and basically have him lie naked on the couch and lower the ceiling fan untill it is just inches away from his crotch, then show him a victoria secret cataloge....

[HairyHeretic]

*chuckles* Haven't seen that episode. Then again, I was never a huge fan of the show.

[Oniya]

Can we please round up all the spamscum peddling p3ni5 en1argment p1lls and v1/\gra, and lock them up with those who have already benefited from their products?  :D

Except for the fact that most of them are selling fraudulent product, and therefore nobody's benefited from it.

[Mathim]

The kid needs psychiatric help, simple as that. People develop these mental problems at all different ages, mine didn't manifest until I was in my late teens even though it had been building up since childhood. The parents should have been more responsible, yes, but if he snuck out while they were sleeping, well, hell, what do you want from them?

[Trieste]

Love ya too hun :D

Another example of this strange mental capacity of people is people worrying about police having tasers in the UK, WHAT!? you make it sound like the police will be zapping every person they come across in the street! you only have to worry about tasers if your breaking the law/resisting arrest, or if you have a heart condition... I have a simple awnser for both concerns, DON'T BREAK THE LAW OR RESIST ARREST ITS NOT HARD!"

... because ... people abuse things. I know of at least one case where a man was taser-ed to death in the US, and it was reported that the man was prone. On the ground. And cuffed. It was thought that the cops tased him because he was unresponsive and wouldn't get up.

It's quite naive to assume that people will always use weapons for their intended purpose.

[Silk]

Yeah but then there is always going to be abusers, why not just punt them around the head with a trungen?

[Trieste]

That's generally what people try to do, but that invalidates your point of "If you're not resisting arrest you don't have anything to worry about" just a wee little bit.

[Mathim]

Plus you don't want to make them any more brain-damaged. Or angry.

[VandalSavage]

One philosophical point:

I find it curious that we absolve most juvenile offenders of their crimes, or at least punish them to a lesser degree, due a certain recognition of their lack of education and self control, yet we rarely extend such consideration for the circumstances under which offenders over the age of 18 are raised in.

Most offenders I know were abused as children, or raised in an environment of waste, spite, poverty, ignorance and anger, or have drug and alcohol problems stemming from childhood years.  It seems to me that the only difference between them and a 13-year-old offender is that they now have a few more years of a bad upbringing, and more intelligence to devote to self-loathing and contempt for society.  Sure, they could apply that intelligence to changing their evil ways, but couldn't the same be said for a juvenile offender?

The age of majority just seems an arbitrary distinction.  If anything, people usually get worse with age.

[madpsyker]

Well, is it too late for me to comment on how utterly messed up that whole situation was?
Curiously, I am reminded of an entry on the South American Horned Frog (aka, the "Pacman" frog.)   Mostly because pet owners who have a pacman like to do something similar with albino mice...  Yes, there are a lot of messed up people in the world.

[Always]

..I fucking hate little kids.

[Paradox]

..I fucking hate little kids.

It's not all little kids that are the problem; just particularly troubled ones like those mentioned in the article.

[Oniya]

Well, is it too late for me to comment on how utterly messed up that whole situation was?
Curiously, I am reminded of an entry on the South American Horned Frog (aka, the "Pacman" frog.)   Mostly because pet owners who have a pacman like to do something similar with albino mice...  Yes, there are a lot of messed up people in the world.

When albino mice make it onto the endangered species list, I'll consider this messed up.  Pacmans (pacmen?) and snakes eat rodents and insects - possibly fish, too.  I know that frogs have motion-sensitive vision, so feeding them dead food is difficult, if not impossible.  Snakes are less picky - I know some people who store 'pinkies' in the freezer and thaw them for meals.

Interestingly enough, I also know people who will buy so-called 'feeder' mice and rats as pets in their own right, since they are bred and socialized to be very docile.

[ShrowdedPoet]

By the Gods!!!!  I would beat the mess out of my child and lock them up in a psychiatric facility if they pulled that shit!!!  Those poor reptiles!

[Inkidu]

You don't hurt turtles...

[Torch]

With all due respect...

Beating, whipping, and punishing this child is of no value here.  At the risk of sounding like an armchair psychiatrist, this child is obviously well on his way to a diagnosis of APD - Antisocial Personality Disorder.  Or more commonly known as sociopathic behavior. A psycopath, if you will.

Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy...take your pick of serial killers, because every single one of them exhibited the exact same behavioral diagnosis.  And no, I'm not against corporal punishment by any means.  My children have received spankings when warranted.  But nothing, repeat, nothing will help this child other than permanent placement in the long-term mental health facility of your choice.  Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated or cured.  The only cure is complete segregation from society, for his own safety and the safety of others around him.

[Pixilicious]

This is the first mean thing most you will here me say since joining this site, but..Feed him to the crocodile and see how he likes it.  That's disgusting.  Throw his bottom in juvenile detention.  That should keep him away from society, if he is indeed a sociopath.

[overfiend87]

I personally want to rip out his own intestines and strangle him with them that little prick! It's disgusting for such a thing to have happened and for him to get away with it. I think the head of the zoo should do what he suggested and take the family to court. They will have their son even more if he's costing them a years wages or so.

[Torch]

  Throw his bottom in juvenile detention.  That should keep him away from society, if he is indeed a sociopath.

Unfortunately, only until his 18th birthday.

Then he walks out with a criminal record pure as the driven snow, as juvenile records are sealed.  (Disclaimer: I'm speaking of the US, have no idea what the policies are Down Under)

[Greenthorn]

Can I just make a simple reminder that 1) This is a public thread and 2) This is about a child.

Think we could be a bit more mature and debate this in a less abrasive manner?  Using curse words to describe your anger really is not conducive to the topic.

[Inkidu]

With all due respect...

Beating, whipping, and punishing this child is of no value here.  At the risk of sounding like an armchair psychiatrist, this child is obviously well on his way to a diagnosis of APD - Antisocial Personality Disorder.  Or more commonly known as sociopathic behavior. A psycopath, if you will.

Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy...take your pick of serial killers, because every single one of them exhibited the exact same behavioral diagnosis.  And no, I'm not against corporal punishment by any means.  My children have received spankings when warranted.  But nothing, repeat, nothing will help this child other than permanent placement in the long-term mental health facility of your choice.  Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated or cured.  The only cure is complete segregation from society, for his own safety and the safety of others around him.

There are just mean little kids in the world. Plus there are plenty of people with APD who don't turn out to be serial killers. I still think what makes a serial killer a serial killer has more to do with right and wrong than chemical imbalances.

[overfiend87]

There are just mean little kids in the world. Plus there are plenty of people with APD who don't turn out to be serial killers. I still think what makes a serial killer a serial killer has more to do with right and wrong than chemical imbalances.

yeah. Quite a few just one day snap from stress or something like that.

[Inkidu]

yeah. Quite a few just one day snap from stress or something like that.

And just because the person snaps doesn't mean they're going to go on a rampage. I'm sure more cases are self-destructive in nature.

[overfiend87]

And just because the person snaps doesn't mean they're going to go on a rampage. I'm sure more cases are self-destructive in nature.

perhaps, but the human mind is impossible to understand. We can understand it's biological functions to a degree, but there's many theories about how our dreams work and how the ideas of creative minds work.

[Greenthorn]

It's all about -choices-.  Ten different people in the same exact situation (any situation) and you will have at least 3 different reactions/outcomes.

[Trieste]

With all due respect...

Beating, whipping, and punishing this child is of no value here.  At the risk of sounding like an armchair psychiatrist, this child is obviously well on his way to a diagnosis of APD - Antisocial Personality Disorder.  Or more commonly known as sociopathic behavior. A psycopath, if you will.

Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy...take your pick of serial killers, because every single one of them exhibited the exact same behavioral diagnosis.  And no, I'm not against corporal punishment by any means.  My children have received spankings when warranted.  But nothing, repeat, nothing will help this child other than permanent placement in the long-term mental health facility of your choice.  Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated or cured.  The only cure is complete segregation from society, for his own safety and the safety of others around him.

Is this an opinion (in which case, I'm curious about your authority on the matter) or are you quoting from a source?

I wonder if you're aware that this is one of the most hotly debated topic sin criminal psychology and behavioural science.

[Oniya]

I decided to go looking, and found the following diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV and DSM-IV-TR)

The psychiatric diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder (APD). This term replaced "sociopath" and only applies if:

    A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

    (1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
    (2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
    (3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
    (4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
    (5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
    (6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
    (7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

    B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

    C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

    D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.


Now, please note B and C above.  This kid cannot be diagnosed as having antisocial behavioral disorder, however, he does show definite warning signs.  He needs help, I don't think anyone can deny that.