Shadowrun (4th Edition)

[ZK]

"Greetings Runners, Johnson here. I have job for you, don't worry. It'll be easy."

Greetings all, DZK here and I was curious if anyone would wish to play a Shadowrun campaign I plan on hosting (if I can garner players). It'll start in UCAS Seattle. Standard creation system and points distributed.

For those without Fourth Edition, luckily there is a downloadable (small size) character sheet program with all the skills and such uploaded, even items and other things too!

As for timeline and such, I'll update the players and such.

For those who have no idea what Shadowrun is? It's the dark future of course! Where magic and technology colide. What would that be? Well, it's a world full of global spanning megacorporations, Elves, Dwarves, Orks, Trolls and countless other types of fantasy creatures turned modern.

Weild swords, cyber enhanced limbs and wrist blades or claws (if you'd like to imitate a certain character from X-Men), weild magic and kick lots of ass.

The sexual level presented in Shadowrun Fourth Edition is enough to be concidered Elliquiy worthy material. What does that mean? That means yes, you get to fuck AND kick ass, now that's a good thing, right? Look cool and get laid of course.

I'm willing to help intergrate new people to the series and transfer old players to the new Edition.

Now, a show of hands, who wants to play?

[Creeper]

GOD


YES

[Jefepato]

*raises hand*

When you say standard points, that'd be 400, yes?  I've got the Fourth Edition book but haven't had occasion to play yet.

[Lilian]

-waves hand- Yes please..

[Vice]

C'mon. You know the answer to this question. ;)

[ZK]

Yes, 400 point distribution. No restrictions, but I do want at least a suitable backstory for the Runner. The campaign will start out in Seatle UCAS. Right now, I'm currently creating NPCs (You know, the ones of significance).

[Creeper]

I call 'Face'!

[Jefepato]

Put me down for troll sammy.

[ZK]

Make whatever you want. ^^

The new system allows for such. :D

[GoldenChild]

I would love to play... but now to the problem... I don't have any rules :(

[Muse]

Raises hand. 

Kokoro needs a new home.  I wonder if magic still works vaugely the way it did in third edition? 

[Jefepato]

Magic has similarities, but if I'm reading right, elemental manipulations aren't as broken any more.

[kylie]

Where do you download the character creation thingy?  I might try it if I don't have to pick up books.  I am rules lite these days.

[ZK]

http://daegann.free.fr/programmes/CharGenSR4.zip

There you go.

I suggest everyone downloading it anyway, I'll accept character sheets from this program.

It's in French and English. So don't anyone worry.

[Cosmo_ac]

i'd be willing to sign up too, if there are any openings that need filling left.  Never played the game by the rules before but i'd like to try it.

[Celestial Goblin]

I'm with you folks. Stealth, sneakiness and some gun-fu will be my thing.

[Mindhazingsquid]

I'm having one small problem with the character creation tool.
It seems you have to buy magic and how much money do we get?
And why does the equipment thingy turn red after 16 items?

Well, okay a little more than 1 but still, quandries.

[ZK]

Money is based on Lifestyle you buy. As well you can buy "money" You're over-spending your Build Points.

For a new player, I'd suggest stick with a mundane person and get cyber/bio implants instead.

Since Magic is different then third edition.

I wouldn't worry about building the character yet anyway, I'm still making NPCs and setting up. But, toy around with it.

[Natalie C. Barney]

I did play this game a long time ago in the 2nd Edition. I would like to play if someone can help with a character. I want to play a WETWORK specialist that uses a Monofilament Whip like a master I was thinking a cowgirl looking goth sort with a monofilament whip that could swat the flies of a donkey or slice up an opponent. Elegant and classy!

Not sure about cybernetic enhancements but some subdural armor and tracking system gadgets might work.

[Jefepato]

A monofilament whip isn't so much elegant or classy as it is vicious and brutal.

[Lilian]

Yea. Besides, we'd j ust as likely to tie you up and let a few hobos take a ride on the cowgirl..  ;)

[Creeper]

My character, Jimmy Fingers, is almost complete! The good news is that he's totally awsome. The bad news is that he's an elf. They sort of cancel each other out, so he's just an average character.

[Lilian]

Dont worry, Elves are nice and tight. I'm sure we'll find something.. ;)

[ZK]

And they tend to be nigh transparent. You can have a monofiliment whip equipped in a finger compartment. So, yeah, that's how small they are.
But as for Wetwork, that isn't something the Runners are going to get often. But someone with expertise in it would be good.

As for how the new dice system is, it'll be dangerous. One glitch can be annoying while a critical glitch can be deadly.

[Natalie C. Barney]

Well its classier than a gun or a knife! hee hee hee

I could see her taking Dance training maybe be a stripper, attractive and deadly.  ;D

[Jefepato]

If she's a stripper, why does she need to run?  I mean, there's always exceptions, but shadowrunning isn't something most people do if they have a choice...

[Natalie C. Barney]

Hobby? lol

Excitement?

The Thrill of the Hunt?

Sadistic Enjoyment?

Cover for Her Real Job as a Wetwork Specialist?

Wants to show off like Zorro but with a whip?

[Creeper]

Jimmy Fingers needs the money. Jimmy Fingers likes to prove to the world that he's not a faggy leaf-eating elf.

Jimmy Fingers is a jackass that likes to talk in the third person.

[Jefepato]

Sadistic Enjoyment?

That works.

After all, "horrible person for hire" is the best way to sum up most shadowrunners.

[Soulsemmer]

Jimmy Fingers is my hero.

[ZK]

Some to Most, but not all. ^^

[Jefepato]

It's certainly true that not all shadowrunners are psychopaths, but really, even the most honorable runner, with the highest of standards about what jobs he'll take, is someone who commits violent crimes for money.  Even the nicest runner is going to end up murdering at least a few (relatively) innocent people over the course of his career.

There's just no "lawful good" in this game.

[Natalie C. Barney]

Are there any free lite character creation rules for this game on-line?

[Vice]

Magic has similarities, but if I'm reading right, elemental manipulations aren't as broken any more.

Elemental Manipulations were broken? I always thought the best weapon for a starting mage was a force 6 stunbolt....almost nobody but another mage will dump points into Willpower, and combat magic, since it targeted willpower, was the perfect way to down a Troll (who almost certainly would have a low willpower).

[Jefepato]

Elemental Manipulations were broken? 

I saw a Force 8 earth elemental (which took no damage from anything else that anyone else could do, including another mage's Manabolt) get melted into a puddle by one Force 6 Toxic Wave.  It's all about the flat TN of 4 -- it means you get successes even against the toughest opponents.

almost nobody but another mage will dump points into Willpower,

What Shadowrun were you playing?  I've played more than a few games, and I saw precisely one SR3 character whose Willpower was below 6.  His was 5, and he made a new character with Willpower 6 after the first mage he met killed him dead.  Having 5 meant a Manabolt (or Stunbolt, etc.) hit you more than twice as hard as it did the guy with 6, and was generally enough to drop you in one shot.

Trolls had Willpower 6 just like everyone else.  They didn't have a penalty to Willpower, so why wouldn't they?  It was Charisma they didn't have.

I'm glad they changed the dice pool system.  Before, the difference between 5 and 6 was monstrous, and the difference between 6 and 7 was nothing.  Now, things are a little more sane.

[Vice]

Most of the Trolls in games I've seen spent those precious points on strength and body, so that they could do horrifying things like like nail you with 17D worth of lethal damage from a di-koted polearm, or whatever (yes, I knew a lot of munchkins in college). I'm surprised the Earth Elemental didn't resist the toxic wave better than that...maybe it was a lucky shot?

Irregardless, it looks like we both ran into imbalances in the magic system of SR3. :)


I can't believe someone called "Face" before me...I wanted to be a Face...  :'(

[Jefepato]

Most of the Trolls in games I've seen spent those precious points on strength and body, so that they could do horrifying things like like nail you with 17D worth of lethal damage from a di-koted polearm

They did that, too.  Along with the Willpower 6 (sometimes 7).  It was pretty heinous.

I'm surprised the Earth Elemental didn't resist the toxic wave better than that...maybe it was a lucky shot?

Quite possibly, but even a lucky shot wouldn't really have worked for anything else we tried.

Irregardless, it looks like we both ran into imbalances in the magic system of SR3. :)

I'll say.  I still have fond memories of the ritual Control Thoughts we whipped up on the curator of the Smithsonian...

[ZK]

You can be whatever you want. There are no "character type slots" in the game, so, heh, if you all want to be Face material, go ahead. Just would make missions more suggestable to wheeling and dealing.

[Lilian]

all this barely makes sense to me o.o

[Soulsemmer]

Don't worry Lilian. You'll get it.

I'll hold your hand through it. *Grins*

[ZK]

The only thing for "lite" creation rules would be the character creation program you can download.

As for other things, I haven't made the game yet since I'm still rolling some NPCs and missions together for people to play.

As for those that have only the character creation program you can download (posted a link earlier in this thread) I am going to release what you can buy and can't buy with your 400 Build Points.

[Muse]

I'll try to buy the new rules next month, if my Amazon gift certificante isn't enough for them. 

[Creeper]

Jimmy Fingers is finished, but I can't attach the file to messeges. Should I just E-mail him to you Zulo?

[Natalie C. Barney]

The only thing for "lite" creation rules would be the character creation program you can download.

As for other things, I haven't made the game yet since I'm still rolling some NPCs and missions together for people to play.

As for those that have only the character creation program you can download (posted a link earlier in this thread) I am going to release what you can buy and can't buy with your 400 Build Points.

Good.

[ZK]

Yes, sending an E-mail would be appropriate.

[Creeper]

Sent. Jimmy Fingers' profie is now in your hands.

[Celestial Goblin]

I'm still fiddling with my char, i'm actually undecided in a lot of things. Elf, or perhaps human or orc? Infiltrator, shooter or both? Some people skills or not? I'll likely have him done tommorow.

[Creeper]

Did you get the file, Zulo?

[ZK]

Yes, but, a direct worker for the Mafia?

[Creeper]

He's a member of the Mafia. They usually bring him in whenever there's a dispute to be mediated. The rest of the time he's a shadowrunner. Sound okay?

[ZK]

I don't know about that, I wasn't planning on using the Mafia as a part of the first chronicle.

[Creeper]

The mafia don't have to have any real influence on the story, and Jimmy fingers is unlikely to bring Lorenzo in on his shadowruns unless he really needs to.

[ZK]

I'd still prefer the characters to have no tie to organized crime and be a group of Shadowrunners instead of having "ties" to elsewhere that will occupy them.

Just to keep cohesion to the plot and keep the people together on a main.

You can have the Mafia as a Contact and do jobs like that when we have the time to do "non important" "storyline" time.

[Creeper]

Sure, that sounds fine.

[kylie]

Okay, I downloaded the character program and it looks rather nice.  It's been ages since I played this game, though.

Can someone give me an idea of what are weak, typical, and exceptional attributes? 
(Is it still like 2, 4, 6 and are there minimums and maximums fixed for starting characters?)

(Reedit after previous confusion.)  I take it the 400 points are the sum of all the stuff on the bottom left?

I don't see where to buy lifestyles on the form.  -- Scratch that, I found it buried under Equipment. 

I'll probably make some sort of merc.  I never did learn the mechanics for much else, but shooters often seem to have something to do, even if it is just playing lookout or pack mule.  (Snorts in advance at obligatory incoming pony jokes.) 

And just because it seems a little wacko to make a female elf merc in this game system, I'm tempted...  Not a tank.  More a flexible, light infantry type.  Perhaps a sniper, if any of those rifles are even available?

[Jefepato]

3 is human average, 6 is still normal human maximum (which is why it's so expensive).

And although I still think elves are a little overpriced for what they get, at least they're useful now that Agility figures directly into your chances of shooting someone.

By the way, I can't find anywhere in the book what the maximum Availability on a starting character's items is.  ZK?  Anyone?

[kylie]

Heh. What do elves get again exactly?  I just remember funky night vision, and the apparent attribute boosts.

The form gives a figure for maximum item availability, I think mine was around 10.  I'm not sure whether it's linked to Lifestyle or not...    Do we need to roll for starting funds, or will you give us a fixed amount for each lifestyle?

So, now I'm thinking medical student turned militant animal rights / general anti-corporate activist mercenary.  Somewhere between  radical saboteur-assassinr and once spoiled, seductive faerie chic.  And a passable medic, by the way.  So people with more body points have to take care of me ;)         

[Celestial Goblin]

My char is ready, soon sent. I'd just let you know i'm good at pistols, stealth, lockpicks, security and demolition. I'm a saboteur infiltrator, and i'm also an elf. I could still reconsider if someone else wants to take this role, though.

[Celestial Goblin]

Change of plans, i'm going orc and i leave the infiltrator stuff to you. I'll protect you Kylie and all that:)
Jefe, your troll is, i understand a 'sammie'?

[Jefepato]

Yes, a sammy -- that is, a street samurai.  Or in more common gamer parlance, a brick/meatshield/guy everyone stands behind when bullets fly.

[kylie]

Fyi, I may have suggested too much about saboteur sort of stuff.  Not so much background there, yet.  More medical, related sciences, and rifle practice.

[ZK]

Once I'm done rolling the basic premise of storylines and other things.

There will be only one real house rule.

Your main profession is a Shadowrunner and you have no ties (aside from Contacts) with any organized crime syndicate, organization and such.


There will be two types of Missions.

Critical Missions that continue the ongoing plot and regular submissions (some randomly generated) for people to gain experience and "nice gear" to fence or keep.

Now, the submissions can tie in to the main storyline, but not in a strong significant way.

Only real thing is. Critical Missions will be in fact harder then regular submissions, unless of course the team wants to do a SR Mission (Suicide Run).

Closer chance of being killed, arrested or worse...but a bigger payday.

[ZK]

To clarify it all.

In Critical Missions you're more then likely to run into Prime Runners. In Sub-Missions, the chance is drastically lowered to near nigh improbable.

Critical Missions follow the overall storyline, but isn't always "in your face" type action. Sub-Missions do involve storylines as well, just minor compaired to the Critical ones and it gives a chance for the PCs to use their contacts. ^^

[Natalie C. Barney]

I'll need help with my character I'll be going for the fast and agile monofilament whipmistress, maybe sneaky a bit and looks alot less dangerous han she is.

I was thinking NO cybernetics either or very minimal like a nightsight eye or something.

Any suggest race for her that would help. I played the original game a long time ago just don't have the rules.

Do they have any feat like things to help her with her weapon I want to max her out but might want her to use a pistol as a backup.

Hope I'm not a pain?

[Jefepato]

I was thinking NO cybernetics either or very minimal like a nightsight eye or something.

This is probably the wrong way to be thinking.

You don't need to be cybered to the max, but if you're not magically active at all, a no-cyber policy isn't going to do you any favors in serious combat.  If you feel it's important to your concept to avoid invasive surgery, maybe you should be an adept.  Adepts are quite good at not looking as dangerous as they are.

I recommend either human or elf for your race.

[ZK]

For a new player at start to fourth edition. I suggestion human. Since they get more Edge (think of "special go juice when the going gets tough) then any other race and you get more Build Points to work with.

[Zakharra]

 This sounds somewhat interesting, butn I've never played Shadowrun before. Only Cyberpunk, so I don't know how to make a Shadowrun character.

[Vice]

3 is human average, 6 is still normal human maximum (which is why it's so expensive).

And although I still think elves are a little overpriced for what they get, at least they're useful now that Agility figures directly into your chances of shooting someone.

By the way, I can't find anywhere in the book what the maximum Availability on a starting character's items is.  ZK?  Anyone?

All of that stuff is in the char gen chapter. Max Availablility for starting characters is 12. Max rating for equipment is 6.

[Vice]

This is probably the wrong way to be thinking.

You don't need to be cybered to the max, but if you're not magically active at all, a no-cyber policy isn't going to do you any favors in serious combat.  If you feel it's important to your concept to avoid invasive surgery, maybe you should be an adept.  Adepts are quite good at not looking as dangerous as they are.

I recommend either human or elf for your race.

Kinda depends on the concept...hackers can go pretty light on cyber with the new system. Just one datajack and you're cool...everything else is equipment. Or you could go bioware for your intitiative enhancers instead of doing wired reflexes...with the new system, Smartguns don't seem like quite as much of a requirement as they were before.

On another note, I never understood why anyone would buy cyberlimbs at character generation...it's a waste of cash and essence for a melee fighter. You're better off spending that money on muscle replacement and a set of retractable spurs and/or some decent bone lacing. I'm a big fan of bone lacing.

[ZK]

They can get anything they want.

There is such a thing as "comsetics" and storyline.

What about they lost a limb and had it replaced due to an accident or faulty Shadowrun?

It's all about having fun and making it more real.

Not munchkin out your character to the max.

[kylie]

They can get anything they want.

There is such a thing as "comsetics" and storyline.

What about they lost a limb and had it replaced due to an accident or faulty Shadowrun?

It's all about having fun and making it more real.

Not munchkin out your character to the max.

Are you saying we can pick up whatever seems to fit the character??

As it is, I don't see a way to afford both a sniper rifle and serious cybernetics, unless I forego a whole bunch of handy miscellaneous gear.  The character background here is more academic than toughie, although she has seen some low-level raids on lab kennels , related corps and the like.  I wouldn't mind a reasonably blank check or happy medium, though ;)

Just checking to make sure I understand this right, before I stretch the usual Middle class budget cap a tad for cyber.

Oh yes: what sort of cyber eyes can elves use, or how do these interact with their typical vision abilities?

[ZK]

All of that stuff is in the char gen chapter. Max Availablility for starting characters is 12. Max rating for equipment is 6.

As what Vice said. That is the limitations you have.

Starting characters, whatever you can get as a starting character is fine.

[GoldenChild]

But... how do you do this?

[Natalie C. Barney]

This sounds somewhat interesting, butn I've never played Shadowrun before. Only Cyberpunk, so I don't know how to make a Shadowrun character.

Join the club.  ???

I might go for more cyberware maybe enhanced reflexes and such she's not going to be using hevy weapons and the like, if you saw Underworld that battle near the end where that vampire used two whipps at once that would be so cool two monofilament whips. But I think one will be afer if she fumbled too much.  ;)

And I need help doing a character seriously not just pointers I  have no idea where to start and maximize her concept.

[Creeper]

They can get anything they want.

There is such a thing as "comsetics" and storyline.

What about they lost a limb and had it replaced due to an accident or faulty Shadowrun?

It's all about having fun and making it more real.

Not munchkin out your character to the max.

Not to mention Cyberlimbs are teh hawt!


What? They are!

[kylie]

I think I will manage one way or another (dead or alive, nyuk nyuk), so long as the game hasn't changed entirely from the concepts that I used for a middle of the road character ten years ago.  But I still tend to think of Shadowrun as a system that encourages specialized  min/max with its various priorities of dice pools linked through various stats and equipment.  So I sympathize a little with the contingent that says, what in the world.  Heh. 

Perhaps if we could look at a sample character - perhaps something with a little bit of everything (an adept?) - with little notes about why various things were chosen in system terms, it would make things easier.  Is there a good site for this? 

Or alternatively, a place online where people who don't want to go through so much design could pick up specialized protoypes that have been fleshed and decked out a bit?

     

[kylie]

*divide and conquer, cough, I mean: bump this question*

Do cyber eyes work for elves?  Are they compatible with elf vision, or what happens with that?

[Mindhazingsquid]

Cyber eyes involve surgecaly removing your eyes and replacing them with what amount to tiny cameras that hook straight into your brain.
They work for elves, orks, trolls or anyone.  They replace elf vision.

[Natalie C. Barney]

What I and some others need is someone to do the character and under my interests. Kind of step-by-step starting with her stats...then to other areas.

[Lilian]

What you need is someone to fuel your need to be lazy. =D

[Natalie C. Barney]

Well let see I don't have the rulebook and can't find anything on-line to give me the information I need to build  character so I don't call that lazy.

[ZK]

I haven't even made the board yet, worrying about creating a character isn't really neccisary. I'm not going to be creating the game any time "soon" anyway, perhaps at first of March when I have time.

[Zakharra]

What you need is someone to fuel your need to be lazy. =D

More like helping someone who is completely unfamiler with the system to make a character. I'm in that boat myself.  :-\

[Lilian]

Whatever happened to poking fun at people?
Do I need to stick it on the end of a baseball bat to get it across nowadays?  :-\

[Zakharra]

 Umm..maybe because humor is a little hard to do on a online forums..?

[Lilian]

Whaddaya think emoticons are for?  ;D

[Zakharra]

Whaddaya think emoticons are for?  ;D

Emphasis.  ;D >:( :( :o ??? :P :-* :-\ ;) ;D

[Lilian]

Mwehehehe...

[Zakharra]

 I'm still in the same boat though  in trying to make a PC

[Vice]

Not to mention Cyberlimbs are teh hawt!


What? They are!

This is true. I've just never been able to afford them at character generation.  :-\

[Lilian]

It wriggles and squiggles and makes you feel OH SO GOOD! Gotta love my cyber.. ..limb. XD

[Creeper]

Curses. I paged through 4th edition all day and now I have 4 characters I'd like to play along with Jimmy Fingers.

[GoldenChild]

There I have done some reading now :)

My idea of a character concept will be an ex-assassin from Japan (Crying Freeman style for those of you who know of the book). He will probably be a physical adept of some kind but that isn't certain at this point.

[kylie]

I never played long enough to build anything real heavy cyberedr, but my impression (from like 2nd Ed., heh) was that you had to be in the very highest income bracket to afford cyber limbs, if at all.  Even wired reflexes were expensive, when they (apparently now past tense) were the rage. 

I tended to make characters that either just squeaked by or quickly croaked in major firefights, but if they squeaked by then they would get the  mission payoff and beef up gradually.  Ironically, players seemed to like some of these characters for having the spunk to be around at all (their tougher characters tended to intimidate or disable them out of pure contempt, though). 

Characters in D&D get levels...  characters in Shadowrun get cyber, was pretty much how I thought of it.  Although in sustainability terms, I never have been really taken with the idea of a super mechanical type.  I'm sure there are some very simple ways to handicap them or just plain shut them down.  Something like EMP, enough tin foil and a power outlet, big magnets, whatever.

[Vice]

Wired Reflexes are still the best deal in speed, for my money. You get the most bang for your buck. And you get to be twitchy. ;)

[Cosmo_ac]

I was thinking about creating an Ex-lone star detective shadowrunner with one cybernetic left arm, and one cyber eye, the right one being real.  He would have lost his arm and eye in an explosion which people believe killed him.  He would have a grudge against the Yakuza and one of the big coperations.  He would still have a few contacts in Lone star with one or two officers who know who he really is. Would that be ok?

[Zakharra]

 I'd have a character to give ZK, but I can't get the one program she suggests to use for PC creation, to work. I can get the character sheet to unpack and come up, but damned if I can't get the other files to unpack.  >:(  So I can't get a PC in until I can get that doen or someone ehlps me make a PC . Damn it..

*sulks*

[ZK]

One player per character.

As for the character creation thing, I've told I'll help people when I am starting to accept characters and such on a regular basis. I haven't even made the room yet, I'm still rolling Prime Runners. o.o So keep your hats, socks or whatever people. ^^

I'm also trying to determine what board it should go into, any suggestions?

[GoldenChild]

Considering that it is Shadowrun I would think Heavy Exotic.

[ZK]

That was what I was thinking.

With the Matrix, BTL Chips, Simmodules and Body Mods.

[ZK]

Okay, board is up. Just give me a few days to finish writing up all of the information.

[Strife]

Hum, too late to make an entry?  ::)

[TigreFatalis]

Ahhh, ShadowRun... This was my very first RP. 

*sighs contentedly*

Fond memories.

[Lilian]

Mm... I've never even played it.. I'm not s ure what kind of character I'd be besides Ork, cos' they rawk. \,,/

[TigreFatalis]

Deckers are cool.  *grins*

If you hear the gravel crunching, your doss has been compromised. 

[Lilian]

Hehe

[ZK]

Okay, finally I put up the creation method for those who don't have the book.

[Strife]

Oooooh yay!  8)

[ZK]

For those that have sent in character sheets, can I ask for you to send them in again, please? As well, GoldenChild, your question on the "Sexual Techniques" it can be taken as a Knowledge skill but not an Active Skill.

Send them Via e-mail through my g-mail account.

Thank you everyone.

[Zakharra]

 I'll get something to you by this Sunday Z.K.
What's your g-mail account?

[Hunter]

If you click the little envelope in her post, the browser opens your default mail application and inserts the correct email.

[Creeper]

I just sent you Jimmy Fingers. Be careful, even the numbers are packed with awsome!

[Hunter]

I just sent you Jimmy Fingers. Be careful, even the numbers are packed with awsome!

Nope, that's just the C4 on your behind.   :P

[GoldenChild]

I have too sent my character :)

[ZK]

Yep, I use one of my g-mail accounts for gaming purposes. It's zulokitty@gmail.com for those who don't care to look over at my "envelope" key.

As for people playing, the more the marrier.

[kylie]

I'm still thinking of trying it, just have a little writing to do yet.

[strenoth]

I've wanted to do a Shadowrun game for a while now. let me finish getting my high level DnD character finished, and I'll work on this I think. I've never actually played, but what I remember of the rules for the later editions is good.

[ZK]

4th Edition is much different then 3rd Edition.

[GoldenChild]

I can agree on that one... I must say that I'm very impressed of what they have done with shadowrun in the 4th edition, considering that I have played the game since 1st edition I would say these rules are the best yet. I can't say anything about the world yet though (as I liked the idea of immortal elfs and the return of the Horrors from Earthdawn)...

[monkeygirl]

well.. here's the thing... what I know about ShadowRun: 1) it's cyber punk.  I've always liked the idea of cyberpunk and I think I have a good handle on what it is.  2) it's a game, it has rules, it has (presumably) dice rolls, so I'm guessing it's a little like DnD (which I am familiar with  ;D)

Things I don't know about ShadowRun.  1) Pretty much everything else.  Now... if you have patience for someone like me, I'd be willing to do my best to learn how to create a character and play.  Oh, and my feelings won't be hurt if you a)  have no more openings or b) roll your eyes at the thought of having to guide yet another girl through all the rules and addendum needed to play.   ;D 

[GoldenChild]

Shadowrun is a bit more then just cyberpunk... it's cyberpunk with a twist. It take place 2070 and you got all this "normal" high tech society with the vast computer network called the Matrix to which people connect their minds to, you got cyberware and bioware that people uses to change and enhance their bodies and most importantly you got magic. Just in the beginning of the new millennium magic returned to the world and with it dragons, elfs, dwarfs, orcs and many other creatures started to appear. Some, like the dragons just awoke, but others races like elfs and orcs came from apparently normal people that suddenly transformed into their new form.

[TigreFatalis]

I lost my RP viginity to Shadowrun.  But that was many, many years ago.  Haven't played in... *thinks* about 16 years.  *sighs*

I miss it, but I really, really suck when it comes to dice.  And I can never figure out what attributes I really want.  *shrugs*

But, Shadowrun was my first love.  *grins*

[GoldenChild]

1st edition then? Shadowrun was my first english roleplaying game back then somewhere in the beginning of the 90s (not really sure what year). Before that I played several Swedish ones during most of the 80s.

[TigreFatalis]

Yup.  I believe it was 89.  But I've slept since then, I don't remember a whole lot about it.  It was before the tour (school thing) so it was 90 at the latest.

Still, edition 1.  I don't really have the focus to learn the rules or study the books or anything like that.  And again... the dice hate me.  *chuckles*

I much prefer freeform RP.  I can make up anything I want without being held back by an irritated GM or my allergy to decent dice rolls.  *grins*


Besides... we were running a campaign out of Seattle/Tacoma and I lived in Tacoma... it was very familiar.

[ZK]

My first two RP games were a mix between Vampire: The Masquerade and Dungeons and Dragons. More so, it ended up with it becoming "off years" I'd play one genre for a while, then the other, then the other... and then after that, I branched out and got many more systems! Woot. :D

[Swedish Steel]

Hi, I'd like to join if you still have room. SR was my first english rpg aswell and I loved it from day one. Never liked the rules though, but seems to me that the 4th edition rules might be the best ones yet

[ZK]

I know it's been a while. But with the release of some new and much needed books and errata. I can now comfortably host a 4th Edition Shadowrun book in either Hong Kong or Seattle. The game would use Shadowrun Fourth Edition [with 4th Printing Errata] Street Magic and Runner Havens. Meaning new Magicks for those who want magics and totems for shamans and lots of other goodies. As well two detailed cities prefab made to start out quickly in.

I'd also use the CharGenSR4 2.0 program for it's handiness and ability to add new skills, qualities and spells on the fly with the ability to calculate point cost with ease.

http://daegann.free.fr/programmes/CharGenSR4.zip

Even if you don't play my game, it's a must have utility for any Shadowrun 4th Edition game. :)

And those wondering who have access to Street Magic, the Twisted Paths are not available for play as they can get pretty disgusting, even for Elliquiy.

[ZK]

So the real question is this people. Do you want to play in Hong Kong or Seattle?

As for the generator, it's handy for those who don't have the books too, as it has the entire character creation method in the system itself, with what skills do and what gear is and such.

[GoldenChild]

Sweet! :) You still have my character or do you want me to resend it?

[ZK]

And from looking at the list of things, he already added Street Magic to the new generator. Might have to remake your character as we might end up playing in Hong Kong.

[Swedish Steel]

Yay, Shadowrun. Count me in.

[Xerial]

I've tried to create a game... I've failed... it seeems, as far as SR goes, I am destined to write, and possibly to play. Got room for me to try the later?

[ZK]

Sure, most definitely. But the primary question is this.

"Hong Kong or Seattle?"

[GoldenChild]

I have most experience in Seattle but Hong Kong would be fun... it would fit my character too either way though.

[Muse]

Hm... 

Hong Kong might be fun, but I'm still newb enough to favor Seatle. 

[DancerTamara]

I might be interested in playing.  It's been ages since I did tabletop anything, but Shadowrun is a cool system.  To let you know how long ago, I played when first edition transitioned to second. 

I'd vote for Seattle.  I know nothing about Hong Kong.

[HairyHeretic]

Whats the Physical Adept like under 4th ed rules?

[GoldenChild]

more balanced, I will play one assassin/seduction build.

[TheAlchemist]

I'd be up for that too, if there's still room :)

Like Dancer, last time I played was with 2nd edition rules though, so a little adjusting will be needed. And either locale is fine by me.

[Celestial Goblin]

I am fine with Seattle.

[Swedish Steel]

I think I'd like to play some sort of magic user, have to give it some thought, I suck at creating interesting Shadowrun characters.

[RubySlippers]

Well I've played but don't have the rules I was thinking though a Corp Companion might be fun. She would be very lightly teched up and be generally a social creature brought in to tend the needs of powerful executives of both genders, and couples. 

Another option would be she works for an Entertainment Corp and that is one of their angles so she would work for anyone that could pay her fee. Well over an average schmucks salary but an excutive, scientist or prominant person like a crime boss is a different story. Would be great then at getting contacts in the game eventually in many different circles and have some regulars.

If you want a comparison think Inara on Firefly.

[ZK]

Game mechanics is handled more like a White Wolf based game. You have a set target number [5 and 6], you have a dice pool which you add and subtract modifiers and then you roll to get enough hits on the target number for a success. The system is more streamlined that way, but you still get times you throw a bunch of d6's at the MJ.

Download that character designer like I said, it allows you to create a character on the 400 point basis and it tells you what each skill, stat and such does.

Also, those using the character generator and make a Magician/Mystic Adept and see the spells Orgasm and Orgy, those are actual spells. They are no joke spells at all, they were introduced in Street Magic.

[Swedish Steel]

Hehe yeah, I saw those, thought about Elliquiy of course. A mage who knows those will be the life of the party. :)

[ZK]

Yeah, it'd definitely make some interesting reactions if used in combat. That chromed out gillette creaming her pants instead of slashing you up...will be interesting.

[Swedish Steel]

Heh. You have convinsed me, Z.K., I will play a mage. :)

[ZK]

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?board=177.0

Old board up and revised. With a new catchy name, some new links and still that long, detailed creation method for non-book owners and people who want to check on something without having to flip back and forth through pages.

[Hunter]

I'd suggest Hong Kong myself (why not try a little variety?).

[ZK]

We can play Seattle, I want my players to be comfortable, we can experiment with the new setting later. :)

[schnookums]

I haven't played Shadowrun in years, but...well, gotta ask, room for one more?

[ZK]

Going to be quite a large Shadowrun cast. Guess they'll see the AAA Legends afterall.

[Vice]

Ooh, is this getting started up again? Awesome.

[ZK]

C'mon people, send in your sheets. :D

[Celestial Goblin]

I sent!

[HairyHeretic]

How many players do you have?

[ZK]

As I check the sheets, game will soon start. So everyone get ready for some Runner action. :D

[GoldenChild]

*Bows... I will be waiting*

[Mindhazingsquid]

Is it too late for me to join?

[GoldenChild]

And just as we need another player... a player is found :)

[Mindhazingsquid]

Uh, so what is everyone?  Anychance I can be a technomancer?  If there's a decker of some sort already I don't want to tread on toes.  I have a character concept percolating in my brain.

[Swedish Steel]

We have a hacker AND a technomancer even. :)
But I don't think anyone is focusing on rigging, if that is  your thing...

[Mindhazingsquid]

Rigging doesn't really work for my concept.  It was going to be magic or technomancy.  Heh

[Mindhazingsquid]

Ohhh, technomancers can't controle rigger stuff can they?

[Swedish Steel]

Can't they? I think they can, now you made me unsure. :)

[ZK]

We need one more player before we can start, anyone care to play?

[MechanicalImpulses]

How easy would it be to convert from from second edition...  if its not impossible.

[Swedish Steel]

There are a conversion guide on the website I think, but I suspect it's easier to just make the character from scratch.

[MechanicalImpulses]

All I have is the second edition guide...  I didn't plan on converting an existing character.

[Swedish Steel]

Oh, ok. Well, just using the character creator ZK provided a link for answered alot of questions. Give it a try, much of it is self explanatory and you can always ask about the things you don't get.

[MechanicalImpulses]

alright, thank ya very much.

[Swedish Steel]

Np, eager to get the show on the road. Any idea what kind of character you will be playing?