Orc slaves - fantasy NC game

[RedEve]

Artwork that inspired this game:

NSFW

This is the most basic of settings.

A human kingdom is invaded by a huge Orc army, which crushes everything in front of it, leaving only smoldering remains and corpses behind.

The combined forces of humanity were utterly defeated three weeks prior to the start of this game. The capital city and its walls are only protected by a small force which remained behind.
The King himself and his eldest son also perished in the great battle.
Apart from the handful of the Kings Guardsmen who remained behind to protect the queen and princess, only old men and boys remain to defend the city.
Ten days into the siege, the Orcs pierce the city walls and stream in. All men are put to the sword, only the young women are captured alive, to become slaves who are used by the Orcs to enact their most depraved fantasies.

This game would start a mere hours after the Orcs invaded the city. Small pockets of human defenders are still fighting small skirmishes with the Orcs. Many buildings are ablaze. Unfortunate young women have Orcs force themselves onto them all over the streets, inside of the houses and whichever other buildings they hoped to find shelter in.

I would be looking for two basic character types for this game: the Orcs and the young women they enslave.
Unless there is a strong desire from the players, there will be no heroic resolution, no Elven army showing up to save the day.

In terms of the women, I would prefer a good mix to represent the different classes of society: commoners, merchants, (minor) noblemen, all the way up to the princess and queen.
The Orcs should primarily be grunts, though I may allow one or two characters in command positions.

If you have interest in this game, leave a message here or send me a PM.

*edit*

CS template:

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[b]Name:[/b]
[b]Age:[/b]
[b]Physical description:[/b] (can be left blank if the CS is accompanied by a photograph or piece of artwork instead)
[b]Race:[/b] (Orc or human)
[b]Background:[/b] (A description of your character. I'd like at least 200 words, but more is allowed, naturally)

Now in terms of the Orcs, a short history. The aforementioned Wizard conquered the Elven kingdom prior to invading the human realm. The large majority of Orcs are thus former Elves who were turned into Orcs through his dark and twisted magic. As such their history and memories would start the moment they were "reborn" as Orcs. The oldest amongst them would be no more than 5-6 years old.

Please send the concepts to me through a PM. Do not post them in here before getting the okay from me. :)

*edit 2*

The human capital of Vaeldor:



The two fire graphics designate the locations where the Orcs pierced the walls, almost simultaneously. That means that all Orcs should enter the city through one of those two points.

I have color coded the different neighborhoods based upon the class of their inhabitants:

1. (purple color) the Royal Family and most of the nobility
2. (red color) Merchants (the richer variety)
3. (blue color) Clerics, monks and practitioners of the arcane arts
4. (green color) Commoners, craftsmen, merchants of the poorer variety
5. (orange color) Paupers, beggars, whores, ... all the people who are largely shunned in the other parts of the city.

You should take this map into consideration to come up with a logical starting point for your character.

Link to the character sheet thread: click here

Link to the OOC thread: click here

[Metro Mech]

I am interested but I think I would play a different role because I have a great idea

[Muse]

Oh!  I would very much love to play!  Sign me up for an orc! 

[RedEve]

One Orc it is. :)

[Kythia]

Potentially interested.  Call it, I dunno, 68% interested?  Certainly interested enough to post this so I can keep an eye on the thread.

[gaggedLouise]

*jumps in behind Kythia* Might be interested in playing one of them slavegirls - thoug the theme of being taken captive by thugs after the storming of a city, sold and enslaved is not new to me I haven't got around to realizing it here on E...

[Montagne]

Definitely got an interest in this one, I'm going to keep an eye on it and see who else shows up to play before I submit my character sheet.

Till then some art for the inspiration thread.

http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1461932

[Metro Mech]

I think I will be an Orc as well

[Julles]

Reminiscent of my first play ever written on E! I would love to throw my hand in for this game... at least see where it goes. :D

[MzHyde]

I'm interested in being a slave girl.

[Richardson]

I've talked with RedEve about playing an Orc priest. are any of the slave girls interested in playing a human or elven priestess? I think there could be an interesting dynamic there.

[Kythia]

I've talked with RedEve about playing an Orc priest. are any of the slave girls interested in playing a human or elven priestess? I think there could be an interesting dynamic there.

I was going to put a priestess together, yes. 

[Richardson]

Kismet!

[Kythia]

Loves me a priestess

[Metro Mech]

Does it matter if I base my Orc off of an Aztec?

[Miroque]

Definedly intrested to play daughter of wealthy family (not nessecaily an noble). Is there magic in this world, and if so, is it availlable to player characters ?

[gaggedLouise]

Loves me a priestess

Someone trying - and failing - to ward off the attack through magic spells or invocation to her god/s, and falling into the hands of the vile conquerors when the deities have given up on their city? For revenge she gets whipped and then marched away and sold with all the other women...

I figure my character will have some kind of relations to the priestess, though she isn't associated directly with the temple. At least they will know each other I think. Perhaps of the same family, or my character's husband made a donation to the temple.

[RubySlippers]

Okay this game looks disgusting with no moral value whatsoever you should be utterly ashamed for promoting this filth.  >:(

Now can Orcs be female I'm thinking a Shaman sort to consecrate the slaves and having special skills like healing and doing "magical things" necessary to honor the gods and spirits of the Orcs not a leader proper but someone male orcs would not take by force, unless very important in the command chain. If there is real magic likely would have some powers and if not would still have various skills and be good at doing the holy things playing up the superstitious side of Orc culture.

And if we can run two characters I might like to run a young pear shaped human virgin with good breeding hips who is a commoner also.

[MagicalPen]

Color me interested too.

I almost kinda want to play as this guy here but maybe something more macho.

[Richardson]

Okay this game looks disgusting with no moral value whatsoever you should be utterly ashamed for promoting this filth.  >:(

I am ashame

[gaggedLouise]

Ruby, you ain't seen nothing yet.  :D

[RubySlippers]

I am a naughty lass I love anime 3d porn with orcs taking women, and tentacle monsters taking women and well lets say as a fantasy its interesting to me on both sides of the fence - Orc and Slave.

[Strangefate]

I might be interested, possibly as one of the humans.

[Chaeronea]

I'd be interested in playing an orc leading a squad of scouts. Red Eve mentioned in a PM that the story starts in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the city, and I figure the scouts would be used to pursue would-be escapees, so if anyone's looking to play the subject of a chase scene look no further for your pursuer :)

[RubySlippers]

Concept Pictures for My Characters

Baleth, Female Orc Shaman and Healer

Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

Tamara, Human Virgin (not for long) and Masseuse

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[Richardson]

Those two girls could be cousins!

[ViperFang]

Feeling tempted to enter as a human woman. Not sure on her details yet. I hope to reply late tonight with a more solid idea. Hopefully I won't be too late.

[Richardson]

I've got two potential images for my bad mama jamma:

Drawn

Live

[ViperFang]

I don't know her occupation, yet, but is this acceptable?

[Visna]

I'd be down for playing a female slave or orc. I'm mostly in the mood to write F/F pairings. If that is acceptable, I'd love to join.

[TheHangedOne]

Need anymore orcs?  >:) Might be interested in a no-brain grunt.

[Biles]

I wonder if futanaries are acceptable.

[TheBlackMasquerade]

I would also be interested in playing a Human female. I think being a slave would be fun. ;)

[Zaer Darkwail]

I voice interest to join in as orc grunt.

[King Serperior]

I could be interested as a human female   :-)

EDIT:

the attack came while she was bathing, so now she's hiding naked until she was found

[Strangefate]

If no one else has expressed interest yet I'm thinking I might like to write one of the royals, queen or princess maybe.

[Julles]

What's the orc to slave count as of now?

[ViperFang]

I think it's something like 14 humans to nine orcs.

[Max]

Hm, how about 15?  Think I'd like to play a human slave as well.  Perhaps a noble, now a slave?

[Biles]

What I wanna know if futas are allowed at all, or shemales or traps for that matter I guess.

[Max]

Human female slave.  Had thought the princess, but doubt I could post enough for that.

[ViperFang]

With some help from Chaeronea, I think I've got an idea for this character:

She is Lady Nouhime from a different human kingdom. She is a Lady of the Court and was one of the few survivors from her native kingdom. She, and some others, were taken to this last stronghold in the hopes that she would be kept safe.

[Chaeronea]

Okay, a list of players and character concepts so far -

Muse - orc
Kythia - human priestess
gagged Louise - human captain's daughter
Atlas - orc
Godric the Radical - orc, Aztec?
Amberghylles - orc
MzHyde - human
Richardson - orc priest
Miroque - daughter of human rich family
Ruby Slippers - human female
Magical Pen - orc
Strangefate - human queen or princess
Chaeronea - orc scout
ViperFang - Nouhime, human foreign noble
Visna - human
The Hanged Man - orc
The Black Masquerade - human female
Zaer Darkwail - orc
King Serperior - human female merchant's daughter
Max - human noble
Moonwolf Hati - orc
The Nameless One - orc
Kristen -
Niki315 - human queen or princess?
Haibane - human female diplomats wife

[RedEve]

I'm sorry Ruby slippers, but this story would not have any female orcs.

The Saruman-like wizard (I'm not sure yet if he will play an active part or just be a presence in the background) who created the Orc army uses the Orcs depraved lust combined with the lack of females within their own race as the fuel to that drives their desire to conquest.

Your human character is acceptable, of course.

[RedEve]

I wonder if futanaries are acceptable.

Not really part of the concept I had in mind, sorry.

[RedEve]

I now have enough interested parties to move on to the next phase.

Which is character creation.

Check the opening post for the character sheet template.

[Moon Hound Hati]

This looks interesting. Are you still looking for some more orcs?

[Nameless One]

This sounds really like a lot of fun! Can I add another orc basher to the fray? I mean to play a towering, hulking fellow, not very smart, but surely loyal to his greenskin comrades and lustful as hell.

[gaggedLouise]

Just saying I love the grotesque pic at the head of this thread - and that's a mighty fine, thick organ!  :D

[Julles]

I just want to say I would love to partake in the play, as it peaks my interest greatly... unfortunately, I do not have the time I thought I had to devote to this play. I will respectively bow out of the play. I will still probably keep tabs on it, though. Have fun everyone, maybe I can play in the future with you all. :)

[Kythia]

Is the city a port?

[RedEve]

I have updated the opening post with a map to give you a basic idea of the outlay.

[gaggedLouise]

I assume much of the ladies' clothing will be ripped off them fairly soon, but just wondering: is it kind of general fantasy/medieval-to-Game-of-Thrones-style clothing, that kind of wide band? Of course this particular people may also have fine lacy lingerie and so on - the fuller garments and fashions would be typical high fantasy to medieval though, right?

[Kythia]

Awesome, thanks. Get something to you shortly.

[RedEve]

I assume much of the ladies' clothing will be ripped off them fairly soon, but just wondering: is it kind of general fantasy/medieval-to-Game-of-Thrones-style clothing,that kind of wide band? Of course this partcular people may also have fine lacy lingerie and so on - the fuller garments and fashions would be typical high fantasy to medieval though, right?

Yes. Of course, the finest garments would be reserved to the noblewoman and the wives and daughters of wealthy merchants.
Female commoners will wear fairly simple gowns. Paupers will wear whatever they can get their hands on.

[SheerFantasia]

Are the orcs running roughshod across the entire city (free access anywhere), or will they have to battle their way through to get to the places they want to (let's say the purple section)?

[RedEve]

Are the orcs running roughshod across the entire city (free access anywhere), or will they have to battle their way through to get to the places they want to (let's say the purple section)?

They will battle their way through.

Of course, the majority of able-bodied men fell in the large battle that was held some sixty miles from the capital, three weeks prior.

The majority of the forces defending the city are older men who were not deemed fit for the army and boys who were thought too young to fight.
There is one unit of elite soldiers left, but they are tasked with defending the Royal family and number no more than fifty men strong.

The purple section will be the best defended, with the aforementioned Royal Guardsmen as well as the best fighters amongst the militia.

[Amberghylles]

This looks interesting.  Do you have room for another orc?

[gaggedLouise]

Are the orcs running roughshod across the entire city (free access anywhere), or will they have to battle their way through to get to the places they want to (let's say the purple section)?

You gotta FIGHT - boom-boom-  for your right to paaaaarty!  >:)

[SheerFantasia]

You gotta FIGHT - boom-boom-  for your right to paaaaarty!  >:)

Anything worth having is worth fighting for!  Or is it the other way around?  ;)
But either works for me!  ;D

[Richardson]

There is one unit of elite soldiers left, but they are tasked with defending the Royal family and number no more than fifty men strong.

50 "men"? Might there also be a contingent of female soldiers? Perhaps a special branch of the palace guards charged with defending the princesses and queen?

[RedEve]

50 "men"? Might there also be a contingent of female soldiers? Perhaps a special branch of the palace guards charged with defending the princesses and queen?

I didn't really see this as a universe where the women are emancipated enough to be able to join the army and wield a sword.

[Kristen]

I've sent a PM but if it's better required I can place a potential character sheet here for approval or refusal hehe.

Happy Easter to everyone by the way.

- Kristen -

[RedEve]

Please do not, as stated in the opening post, all CS should first be submitted to me in a PM. :)

[Miroque]

I send you an Application. Hope to hear from it....

[Niki315]

Did anyone decide on playing royal characters? The princess or the queen perhaps?

[SheerFantasia]

I think someone posted a similar interest to yours (Strangefate was it?) but other than that, nothing solid.

[RedEve]

The character types I have gotten a CS for so far:

An Orc priest
An Orc scout/tracker
An Orc soldier (the alpha type)
A rich merchants daughter with some training in the arcane arts
An Orc soldier who enjoys front-line combat

So we could definitely use some more humans. :)

[King Serperior]

*Poof*  There goes the daughter of a middle-class merchant.

[RedEve]

Not necessarily, I don't have a fixed amount in mind in terms of each group, though I'd prefer a bit of a mix.

[King Serperior]

Not necessarily, I don't have a fixed amount in mind in terms of each group, though I'd prefer a bit of a mix.

No, I meant that the PM with a middle class merchant's daughter just got poofed to you, not that I thought she wasn't to be used  :P

[gaggedLouise]

I was thinking of making my young lady the daughter of a merchant too, a man owning ships and trading overseas, but I'll make her the offspring of a captain, a ship mate or something instead. She might know either of the two merchant daughters through her father, and she will likely know Kythia's priestess.

By the way, does the culture of this kingdom include lifelong slaves or serfs too (though probably of a different people)? Would these folks be familiar with seeing slaves in their midst, though they are not at all used to the idea of becoming slaves themselves?

[RedEve]

This human culture would have eradicated slavery hundreds of years prior. :)

[Max]

Sent in a human noblewoman.

[Biles]

Not really part of the concept I had in mind, sorry.

Including shemales?

[ViperFang]

Sent in my human Lady~ I hope she was acceptable! :D

[Haibane]

Hi, I am interested. I am thinking of a diplomat from an allied human nation who was/is visiting the city and his wife came with him. She'll be of a high social stratum among the nobility. She'd have a maid servant as well if anyone might want to pick up that role, or I can play it.

The diplomat and his family would be housed very close to the royal quarter, possibly just on the edge of it near the escarpment where it runs down to the monks and priests quarter.

Please let me know if this basic concept is okay.

Have you got a preference for photographs or artwork for character images?

Had you intended for there to be a breeding element to the RP or is it just a case of fuck the captured women to death and/or have fun with them?

[Chaeronea]

Updated my character list on page 2.

Updated list as per page 4 of thread. With GM's advice of no female orcs, updated RubySlippers' character to human female. Included Niki315 as a possible participant, as she hasn't said she'll participate but seems interested. Kristen has mentioned interest in participated but hasn't mentioned on this thread whether she will play as orc or human.

Totals so far - Orcs 11, humans 13, Kristen not included as preference not listed.

With some help from Chaeronea, I think I've got an idea for this character:

She is Lady Nouhime from a different human kingdom. She is a Lady of the Court and was one of the few survivors from her native kingdom. She, and some others, were taken to this last stronghold in the hopes that she would be kept safe.

The idea we worked on with ViperFang was that we'd have a thread with his character fleeing and my character pursuing and eventually captuing her before ravishing her. With a number of players looking to play diplomats or nobles and Red Eve mentioning that there is a small unit of soldiers still in the city to protect the queen and princess, I was thinking that we could run this as a group thing. The elite soldiers pull a last stand to let the queen, the princess and some other noble ladies try to flee, but they are hunted down by a group of orc scouts and warriors. Does anyone think this sounds worthwhile?

Red Eve, what's the level of discipline among the orcs? Are they tightly disciplined like the Uruk-hai in The Two Towers? Are they a reckless rabble? Is there infighting like we see between the Uruk-hai and orcs of Mordor who capture Merry and Pippin? Could we see fighting between orcish troops over who gets the captured women?

Also I hope it's okay that I'm running this tally and put up the pursuit idea. If you want me to shut up and quit posting about it, tell me and I'll stop.

[MagicalPen]

I'd imagine that if the Orcs have basically wiped out the Human Army(ies) and have breached the city, there is some sort of unit cohesion to then, otherwise an organized defense and tactics would overcome their battle prowess. I picture the Orcs as might warriors AND skilled tacticians. Systematic in their approach, understanding their own strengths and weaknesses and those of their opponents. They just bring a superior battle plan, with superior soldiers, to the table.

[Strangefate]

I'll go ahead and make a Queen then I guess, which leaves any number of princesses, ladies in waiting, and noblewoman open to others I should think.  I also quite like Chaeronea's idea that the royal guard are trying to sneak the nobles out and create a distraction so they can flee, but it goes poorly.  I'd be happy to join in on that part, assuming Red Eve is fine with it all.

If the game becomes unbalanced I'm willing to double as an orc, although it looks like the numbers are okay at the moment, depending on who all comes through with char cheets of course.

[Zaer Darkwail]

And overall better have more women than orcs ;). It would be shameful for orc if one human woman can wear it down after all....although no doubt some women fish to have more than one orc with them  >:)

[King Serperior]

Well, after we see all the character sheets, I offer my slightly tom-boyish merchant's daughter to some Orc that feels like finding a naked, freshly bathed girl cowering in a hidey-hole ^_-

[frost rose]

Man, I feel late to the party and it's barely been any time at all. Interest checked and pm sent!

[RedEve]

Had you intended for there to be a breeding element to the RP or is it just a case of fuck the captured women to death and/or have fun with them?

More the latter, but I'm not opposed to the former also being a a part of the game.

[RedEve]

In terms of the Orc Army discipline, it would be pretty good before and during the battles.
After the battles are won though, and it is time to divide the spoils of war, there might be some infighting.
So I can totally see some Orcs fight amongst each other over a particularly fine human woman. ;)

I will update the opening post with a link to the character sheet thread.

Once it is up, I will start sending out PMs to people whose CS I have approved. Once you receive said PM, you are allowed to move your CS into the aforementioned character sheet thread. :)

[Haibane]

Thanks for clarifying RedEve.

Hello Frost Rose! *hugs*

[Strangefate]

The Queen has been approved so I added her to the CS thread.  If anyone else playing nobles or princesses would like to discuss connections with her please feel free to PM me.   :-)   

[gaggedLouise]

Rachel the Captain's daughter approved. Ahoy guys!

[Moon Hound Hati]

Farod has been approved and added to the thread, eagerly awaiting blood to be shed from the human men as he impales them upon his spear and women to be impaled upon his other spear soon after. Hur hur.

[Haibane]

RedEve, I have a question about magic, or possibly herbal type medicine. Is it possible to have potions or 'medicines' that will allow a couple of changes, one of a minor cosmetic ability (a deplilatory to remove body hair but taken maybe orally every day, either as a powder in water or herbs, etc in a drink or soup) and another that would facilitate anal sex. I can check with you privately by PM if you prefer.

My diplomats wife, Lady Ariadne and her maidservant have been added to the characters thread. I will play the maid as a sidekick or NPC, or if someone would like to take her up as a character that would be good too.

[RedEve]

Hey,

I have no problems with the existence of such potions, so you are free to use them if you should choose to. :)

[Haibane]

Thanks!

@ Strangefate - I think Lady Ariadne might have met Queen Gwendolyn several times at court functions, so if you want to talk about their friendship (or the opposite!) we can discuss.

[Miroque]

Tristan d'Ragen approved, daughter of wealthy d'Ragen trademaster and known apprentice of Court magician.

[RedEve]

I have added a character of my own, a human woman, since the balance seems to be skewed towards the orcs at the moment. :)

[Kristen]

It is... isn't it? Looks like it'll certainly be fun though.

:)

- Kristen -

[vin26m]

Thanks for approving my character.  I put him (them) in the character thread.

[Zaer Darkwail]

Thanks for accepting my char, but another player had taken pic which I planned use so had to go search another one :P

[King Serperior]

Renee the beautiful merchants daughter is approved  ;D

I'll be moving her to the character thread when I get to a computer.

Also, hiya, Hai  XD

[Chaeronea]

Targesh, orcish scout leader, added to character thread.

[Haibane]

7 orcs to 8 humans so far.

[Montagne]

sent my character in for approval, an Orcish warchief.

[Chaeronea]

7 orcs to 8 humans so far.

More human women needed....

[King Serperior]

Okay, Renee Silver is posted.  Now, I wonder who the lucky orc will be to find a freshly bathe, cowering, naked girl in a closet will be   ::)

Feel free to PM if you think you might be the lucky one.  No total sadists though  ;)

[ViperFang]

The lovely Lady of Court, Nouhime, has been added to the roster! Ripe for ravaging~!

[RedEve]

I have added an OOC thread to the opening post.

The people will approved characters should move their discussions in there.

I would suggest commencing with deciding whereabouts in the city you will find yourself upon the invasion, and who might be in your immediate vicinity. :)

[Montagne]

Posted the warchief.

[Haibane]

We now have 13 human females, 10 orcs and Bonk who as yet remains unclassified. And a bunny called McNugget.

To anyone thinking about joining as a human female or anyone wanting a second character, I created a noble lady plus her maidservant. I intend to RP the servant girl myself at the moment but if anyone wishes to play her, please contact me to discuss. You can change around some details if you need to though I'd prefer to keep the image and name.

[Madriv]

Are you still accepting orc apps? You've made me nostalgic for my beast master from Warcraft.  ;)

[AurelieCatena]

I have just proposed a character to the two GMs...

[RedEve]

I have just proposed a character to the two GMs...

Check your PMs, I have replied.

[Haibane]

Are you still accepting orc apps? You've made me nostalgic for my beast master from Warcraft.  ;)

Yes, you can apply. Check out the required character template and the world background in the OP to find out what sort of orcs these are and what motivates them, then submit your character to RedEve via PM. A character built for another game is acceptable as long as you change his background and details if and where they don't fit into this world.

[AurelieCatena]

Check your PMs, I have replied.

Sorry, I had misunderstood GaggedLouise. I thought your were looking to play a scene happening just before the fall of the city.

[Haibane]

The city has been breached and is being stormed now with much looting and raping by the orc hordes. If you check the city map in the OP, you'll see that the purple zone in the west is the royal palace and nobles quarter and its on a big hill, with only 2 roads in so the final stand of the human defenders is at these two choke points.

The idea suggested by one player was that in order to demoralise the men defending one of the barricades, a captured female would be raped and tortured in front of them. Maybe even killed. That was when your name was suggested.

The character doesn't need a lot of background since she's somewhat expendable, but if you enjoy that kind of scene and we have some sadistic orc players you could create further victim women to be raped and tortured in later scenes.

Is that helpful?

[AurelieCatena]

The city has been breached and is being stormed now with much looting and raping by the orc hordes. If you check the city map in the OP, you'll see that the purple zone in the west is the royal palace and nobles quarter and its on a big hill, with only 2 roads in so the final stand of the human defenders is at these two choke points.

The idea suggested by one player was that in order to demoralise the men defending one of the barricades, a captured female would be raped and tortured in front of them. Maybe even killed. That was when your name was suggested.

The character doesn't need a lot of background since she's somewhat expendable, but if you enjoy that kind of scene and we have some sadistic orc players you could create further victim women to be raped and tortured in later scenes.

Is that helpful?

Yes, I understand it better now. Sorry, there was so much activity in the OOC thread that I was lost.

I'll come up with a new character with a shorter background. Still I think that if that girl was somehow known for her toughness, the demoralising effect to see her devastated would be stronger.

[gaggedLouise]

Apologies for giving Aurélie the impression that the "demoralizing rape scene" was already a well anchored idea, but I sort of had the impression that it was, from some talk yesterday. The starting up of this game has been moving really fast and pulled in a number of good players and ideas, while the in-game timelines are still placed in "a perpetual fuzzy time" (as RedEve put it yesterday) floating in between the entry of the Orcs into the city at two broken down points and the last stand for the palace (still to be arrived at). Sorry .

If you want to create some other proud and vanquished woman character within the city, Aurélie, that would really work well. The Panthera character profile was quite cool, in my opinjon.

[Moon Hound Hati]

Can't really double check easily, since I am on my phone, but I think SheerFantasia was the one who suggested the demoralization idea. However, if his character is branching off to capture the queen, I could work out the idea further as I've taken a liking to the idea of the royal guard's morale being wounded in such a manner.

[SheerFantasia]

Depends on the logics of fuzzy time I guess.  At the moment, I'm following Haibane's idea and he's heading to the north wall just near district 23, where he'll go down (westward) following the wall until he can skirt towards area 15.... there might be some time for fun on the way  ;)

[AurelieCatena]

RedEve does not want fighting girls. So I'm not going to keep Panthera the Warrioress and Orc Killer. I'm rather going to play a huntress. What if she were a noble girl, known for her hunting skills. She would have been ordered to leave the city unseen looking for help, or to spy on the orcs.

Would such a character be acceptable?

[RedEve]

I'm not opposed to a girl who can defend herself, but your initial concept was for an Orc killer who had over 100 Orc kills. That did not really fit into the concept of this game.

A huntress who was captures whilst scouting the Orc advance would be acceptable, yes.

[gaggedLouise]

I'm not opposed to a girl who can defend herself, but your initial concept was for an Orc killer who had over 100 Orc kills. That did not really fit into the concept of this game.

A huntress who was captures whilst scouting the Orc advance would be acceptable, yes.

They might have been less formidable Orcs than the ones now swarming into Vaeldor - Orcs come in many shapes and strains...  :D Good to have Aury bound for entry into the game!

[Zaer Darkwail]

Also Aurelie's char may had slain one or two orcs, but having 100 kills or so is too much :P. She may be part even the elite guard (a scout sort) who was send to call for help other kingdom but got captured by orcs and was spared and brought to front of the gates where she will be brutally abused to demoralize the troops who know her and her skills with sword.

So, nothing against female soldiers but not a super orc slayer kind :P.

[Moon Hound Hati]

Over a hundred confirmed kills is a huge feat, even for crème de la crème soldiers/warriors, regardless of gender. You'd be a fucking legend. :P

[SheerFantasia]

I kind of liked that original idea for the large orc kill count - it would certainly make a big impact to have such a legend reduced to a common  orc cum-bucket.  Thark would certainly love it - strong women equals strong breeding fodder (whether it happens or not).  Just thoughts.

[AurelieCatena]

Over a hundred confirmed kills is a huge feat, even for crème de la crème soldiers/warriors, regardless of gender. You'd be a fucking legend. :P

Yes, indeed, Panthera was a legend... Even the Orcs trembled when she appeared.

[gaggedLouise]

It's okay, it got a bit muddled because this has been moving so fast and I know Aurélie likes sharp contrasts and defiant characters, but if she's a huntress sent out as a spy it should pose no problems, as Eve put it. Aurélie is an asset to just about any game she's writing in.

[Haibane]

Also Aurelie's char may had slain one or two orcs, but having 100 kills or so is too much :P. She may be part even the elite guard (a scout sort) who was send to call for help other kingdom but got captured by orcs and was spared and brought to front of the gates where she will be brutally abused to demoralize the troops who know her and her skills with sword.

So, nothing against female soldiers but not a super orc slayer kind :P.

RedEve has said she does not want female soldiers of any kind, its a traditional-based patriarchy. A woman who was a hunter would fit but a noblewoman would not really be such a person. Noblewomen in this setting make tapestries, play the harpsichord, host fine dinners and make noble babies.

A commoner who was well know as a trapper and fur trader with hunting and tracking skills would be a well-known character, perhaps very well-liked for her deeds helping farmers keep wolves and wild boar out of their fields.

[AurelieCatena]

RedEve has said she does not want female soldiers of any kind, its a traditional-based patriarchy. A woman who was a hunter would fit but a noblewoman would not really be such a person. Noblewomen in this setting make tapestries, play the harpsichord, host fine dinners and make noble babies.

A commoner who was well know as a trapper and fur trader with hunting and tracking skills would be a well-known character, perhaps very well-liked for her deeds helping farmers keep wolves and wild boar out of their fields.

Sigh... I just proposed a hunting noblewoman... I'm having a hard time getting a character accepted...

[RedEve]

Sigh... I just proposed a hunting noblewoman... I'm having a hard time getting a character accepted...

Sorry but I don't want to introduce a character who is not consistent with the universe as it has been presented so far.

[AurelieCatena]

Sorry but I don't want to introduce a character who is not consistent with the universe as it has been presented so far.

I understand very well.

Anyway, my character has just been approved and its CS is now in the character thread. Ready to be introduced to the IC by whatever Orc who wants to demoralize the population by humiliating and torturing her.

[RedEve]

If she was captured outside of the city and a few days prior to them piercing the walls, then she would have been passed around quite a few Orcs already. Yikes!

[AurelieCatena]

If she was captured outside of the city and a few days prior to them piercing the walls, then she would have been passed around quite a few Orcs already. Yikes!

Indeed, she will be in quite a pitiful state already.

[Moon Hound Hati]

She could possibly get caught trying to slip in via the Moorgate just as the orcs pass through the merchant and financial quarter on their way to the barricade on the east side? Unless, of course, that's been nailed shut already.

[AurelieCatena]

Actually, I assumed that she had already been caught, while she was roaming around their camp around the city. When it happened we can leave it vague and start the game as they bring her and expose her.

I'm going to wait upon that introductory post to play my character.

[Moon Hound Hati]

Yeah, I guess she could be brought to the front when its decided to give the royal guards some demoralization by having your character publicly defiled in front of them.

[gaggedLouise]

They may have kept her in a guarded tent or cage (and secured with rope and solid stocks inside of that place) to save her for the moment when they knew her degradation was going to have the most impact on the defenders. So that she would not have been quite thrashed and weakened by the time they were ready to rape and humiliate her.

[Moon Hound Hati]

It might be possible they had a few females from the fallen elf kingdom along to "entertain" the men as they marched towards the human city, so it's possible they had some slave cages with them to store her in for the time being.

[AurelieCatena]

I would love that, having her kept in good shape to be degraded right in front of her friends. Plus I have a fetish for cages and stocks...

[Moon Hound Hati]

Your profile image hinted at such. :P

[ManofDawnLight]

I am interested in playing a sort of priesty Orc which I have made a photoshop image for.  However, I have never played a game in here yet, so I'm not sure you'd want a very green novice on the team.

[Muse]

Hey.  Welcome to Elliquiy, congratulations on your approval.  :) 

[Haibane]

Yes, welcome! You have to start somewhere and the perverts in this game as as depraved as anywhere else so you may as well dive in.

RedEve is the GM and has final say but I don't know if an orc priest fits in this universe. They have no religion and are just killing machines, a huge army with no females and so they focus their energy on capturing and having sex with human women. There is no religion involved for them, a wizard created them out of corrupted elves about 6 years ago. So far we've been limited to soldiers, scouts/spies and warband leaders.

[RedEve]

An Orc priest does not fit into this universe.

Any regular combatant role for the Orcs is acceptable though.

[Richardson]

Wait... I thought I was playing an orc priest. *Checks character sheet*

[Aejlahael]

I am also curious about this; I wanted to play an orc "specialist" that extensively used a variety of dabbled magical traditions, combined with sociopathy and tactics, to occomplish his goals.

[Haibane]

Unfortunately such a character would not fit. Think Uruk-Hai and that's about it. More-or-less mindless thugs.

[Moon Hound Hati]

Never will someone be able to ask an Orc, "are you a wizard?" and hear a truthfully answered "yes." D:

[Aejlahael]

Er, an orc wizard was literally one of the first minor adversaries I saw encountered in a brief 2nd ed. D&D session in the eighties. The concept is older than several versions of D&D and several people on the board. It's actually cliche. Tolkien stopped being the sole inspiration for kitchen sink fantasy (if he ever was) in 1979 when players of D&D could find, and use, a raygun from a flying saucer.

That aside, I would like to know how the characters are, well, different? Orcs are used as bad guys because they're faceles, and orc who hits things is the same as every other. When I looked at the character page, the only one I could remember -- this happened right before I chimed in -- was the orc priest. The others all just sort of rolled into the same character. When orcs are NPCs, that's fine, they're faceless mooks, but here, is that bad?

[Catdog]

Aw. You make Bonk sad.

[Strangefate]

Don't take it to heart, Aejhalael.  Several people had to rework their characters.  It's the GMs game, so their decision.  I believe the idea is to keep the orcs savage and monstrous and avoid the brainier variations found in games like Skyrim.  We also seem to be going for low magic here for the most part.

Personally, I think the people writing the orcs have done a good job keeping them distinct!  Every player has their own unique writing voice so they're bound to be different. 

And welcome to Elliquiy ManofDawnLight.  You won't find many group games that'll turn you away just because you're new to the site.  The more active players, the better. : )

[Montagne]

I am interested in playing a sort of priesty Orc which I have made a photoshop image for.  However, I have never played a game in here yet, so I'm not sure you'd want a very green novice on the team.

And welcome to Elliquiy ManofDawnLight.  You won't find many group games that'll turn you away just because you're new to the site.  The more active players, the better. : )

Indeed, we're always welcome to new players. :) In fact they often bring an enthusiasm that helps drive the game us oldies might be missing. :P

*looks at profile. God I can't believe I joined in 2010.*

[Miroque]

I cant believe my joinind date neighter.. there must be soemthing wrong with the counter.. 2011 on me..

[Haibane]

Thank you very much for your interest Aejlahael. In this universe the orc race has only existed for 6 years and has been created specifically for one purpose by a single powerful evil mind - to eradicate humans from the known world. Prior to the current war of a few months duration there hasn't been any contact between humans and orcs. Due to their short time in existence and their purpose, they therefore have no traditions, no need for magic and no need for a religion. I fully understand your points and in many other D&D styled worlds they are valid, but not here.

Furthermore its my experience (in any setting) that if you allow players too much freedom in choosing a character from a military society then most, if not all of them choose specialists of one form or another and a game that was intended to be based around a military unit ends up full of scouts, snipers, hackers, assassins, spec-ops 'one man armies' and anything but the grunts needed to fill the ranks and give the unit its purpose.

Sometimes it is good to play an 'ordinary' grunt. It will make you dig that little bit deeper into your characterisation skills to make him come alive. Stretching your talents is always good. As another player said above, every writer is different and each character has their own twists anyway. If you read a selection of orc player posts from the game you'll see several, even just a couple of pages into the game, who are highly distinct, comical or scary.

[Miroque]

Haibane +1. I would consider none of the orcs in game, being anything similar, except being savage brutes (what was the key assumption on the start...well...maybe not Bonk... )

That said, there are many aspects of Orc-i-ness not touched yet. Some are trying to better themselves among their kin, but noone wants to be the top-orc yet. Why not even top the wizard creating them, as he is human, ergo food to the masses. Sure, it might be an pipedream, but world is full of pipedreamers.

[Montagne]

Indeed. Even with these more constricted roles people have already found niches for their characters to play out. I've chosen a Warchief, others have chosen scouts, some leaders of soldiers and others just the heavy bruisers ready for battle. We actually already have a suprising number of specialists :P the limits keep the roles more cohesive towards the overall aim of the game. (the ravishing of all the women inside the fine city.  >:) )

I also rather enjoy their more brutal newly formed culture, the upstart race destroying the institutions of long lived civilizations is a rather interesting theme.

[vin26m]

Thank you very much for your interest Aejlahael. In this universe the orc race has only existed for 6 years and has been created specifically for one purpose by a single powerful evil mind - to eradicate humans from the known world. Prior to the current war of a few months duration there hasn't been any contact between humans and orcs. Due to their short time in existence and their purpose, they therefore have no traditions, no need for magic and no need for a religion. I fully understand your points and in many other D&D styled worlds they are valid, but not here.

Furthermore its my experience (in any setting) that if you allow players too much freedom in choosing a character from a military society then most, if not all of them choose specialists of one form or another and a game that was intended to be based around a military unit ends up full of scouts, snipers, hackers, assassins, spec-ops 'one man armies' and anything but the grunts needed to fill the ranks and give the unit its purpose.

Sometimes it is good to play an 'ordinary' grunt. It will make you dig that little bit deeper into your characterisation skills to make him come alive. Stretching your talents is always good. As another player said above, every writer is different and each character has their own twists anyway. If you read a selection of orc player posts from the game you'll see several, even just a couple of pages into the game, who are highly distinct, comical or scary.

Aejlahael, I have come to agree with the above viewpoint. 

I also had a female orc witch, a male orc shaman, and a male orc warlock that I wanted to play, but RedEve rightfully rejected them for this particular game.  Having the orcs cast spells, resurrect the dead (both orc and human), create portals and summon demons would have been fun, but would not have been a good fit.  This is not Dungeons and Dragons.  These are characters I will be using for unrelated, but similar games.

I'm enjoying playing a grunt.  Particularly a grunt taking part in seizing all sorts of sexy human females from all locales and levels of society, stripping them of their dignity, and putting them in their proper place.  Generic orc grunts turning unique human civilian women into generic human slave females.  There is an odd sense of freedom when you are limited in what you can do.

[Aejlahael]

I am not actually that interested in magic or power, merely distinctiveness. My issue was this:

1) Orcs villains are, by definition, one-dimensional. If they cease to be one-dimensional, it actually becomes morally problematic to exterminate them. This goes for all faceless mooks in all settings. It's lampshaded in a variety of comedies.

2) Orcs, however, are even worse off than normal faceless mooks because they're defined as being violent-on-top-of-violent. The absolute worst, most cliched, least interesting, violent PCs I have ever seen still have more characterization than an orc. And newly-created orcs -- as here, as in Tolkien, as in a couple of other genres -- are defined by that facelessness. Pull back from aggression, one can question "orcness." Pull back from brutality, one can question "orcness." Add in any feature that distracts from those two qualities, one can question "orcness." You can be bigger or smaller than normal, but after that it's dangerous territory. That's more similarity than some clones in fiction and twins irl. I have been in half a dozen discussions in my life about whether such creatures can even be considered sentient! That's a severe level of homogeneity; it's more strict than Warhammer 40k orcs, and those guys are fast-grown straight into adulthood from fungus.

3) That means that any orc distinction -- not just magic or religion -- can be shot down. Indeed, it really doesn't make any sense to shoot those down (or, alternatively, it doesn't make any sense not to shoot anything down). Anybody can pray. Magic's rules vary from genre to genre, obviously, but no matter what the genre, magic's just a tech (save for when it is wholly capricious -- in which case there are no wizards at all).

I get that there are appropriate restrictions on gender and experience due to the nature of conversion, but after that, picking characteristics becomes mother-may-I and can't be anticipated. Whether or not point (2) is violated is arbitrary for each characteristic. That's great for making NPCs, but I find it more than questionable for PCs.

That said, there are plenty comfortable with this process. I wish all the best and hope you enjoy the game!

[Haibane]

"The absolute worst, most cliched, least interesting, violent PCs I have ever seen still have more characterization than an orc."

You must have role-played with some terribly unimaginative people to truly think this or you're exaggerating to make a point. You only have to read some of our game posts to discover the nonesense in what you write. Indirectly it's insulting to our players who have created some extremely interesting orc characters. I'm playing a human character but if I were playing an orc I'd find this opinion objectionable.

"Orcs ... are even worse off ... because they're defined as being violent-on-top-of-violent."

Why is this a disadvantage in role-playing? I fail to see your point as to why a hyper violent orc soldier limits a person's role-playing opportunities, even in a soldier whose mind only has memories of the last 4 to 6 years. Role-playing inside such a tight box of parameters in my view brings out the best in writers because they strive harder to create interesting individuals.

This is a simple RP designed around one key premise aimed at some kinky fun. There's no need to disassemble the psychology or morals of fantasy gaming here (Is there such a thing as a moral approach in fantasy gaming? That sounds dangerously pompous to me). You are over-thinking this; its a straightforward setting that you'll either enjoy or not, but don't insult our players by suggesting that their violent orcs are not well crafted and well-written based purely on your own experiences. If you were to join this game, those experiences would widen and you'd change your mind.

If you find that a group game isn't to your taste then just move on, there's no need to attack what others enjoy doing.

[RedEve]

1. It is stated in the very beginning of this topic that this is meant to be a very basic and simple setting.

2. I do not see what adding additional layers of complexity to the Orcs would really add to this game, when it almost solely revolves around the Orcs razing a city and submitting its women to (sexual) slavery.

[ManofDawnLight]

Well I hopefully made a more battle-worthy Orc and pm'ed it to you for approval.  I like the game and it's original idea.  Please let me play, too.  :D

[CopperLily]

*sneaks in quietly* Is there any call for another hapless female victim in this game?

[ManofDawnLight]

I sure hope there's no cap on that.  :D

[Strangefate]

I'm not one of the GMs, but I'm pretty confident they'll say 'yes' CopperLily.  The game continues to get new players (for both groups, orcs and ladies) and hasn't really gotten that far along IC yet.

[RedEve]

Send me a CS for review.

[Zaer Darkwail]

I may be late to join the discussion but I mention my own piece about Aejlahael's opinions;

1) That's true in general and I as GM will make orcs one dimensional for my players (and especially for relief for any paladins among them) to make them quite simple minded. But if I have bigger plot or longer campaign involving orcs I make orcs more complex and have goals and desires which fit for 'orcish' mind set.

2) Orcs can be over the top violent grunts and still be unique; example my orc char has fancying into noble's and merchants clothes and albeit they are darn impractical for scouting he still wears them (and bling enough impress anyone) and he prefers use a bow over melee. The orcs were made from elven warriors, so thus they can be little more diverse than typical orc in their combat approach but it does not change that they are bloodthirsty lot and horny. My char even thinks consider run human slave breeding farm if things would settle down bit.

3) I answered this on part 2 already, you can be distinctive both in manner of speech, behavior and personality while remember 'basics' what all orcs share in given setting.

[Aejlahael]

2. I do not see what adding additional layers of complexity to the Orcs would really add to this game, when it almost solely revolves around the Orcs razing a city and submitting its women to (sexual) slavery.

Again, the issue had nothing to do with mere complexity and everything to do with distinctiveness (with a side-order of player agency).

"The absolute worst, most cliched, least interesting, violent PCs I have ever seen still have more characterization than an orc."

You must have role-played with some terribly unimaginative people to truly think this or you're exaggerating to make a point.

That's the exact opposite of the point I was making. Any lack of imagination of a player (or deliberate refusal to employ such imagination) would not allow for the lack of characterization attributed to typical orcs. With respect, you have it completely backwards.

Indirectly it's insulting to our players who have created some extremely interesting orc characters.

If so, and with respect, you have gotten me completely wrong. I must say that if you have taken offense at that it is a misreading of what I wrote, since I did point out that the problem was that the lack of distinctiveness was a problem of orcness and the the strictures herein, not a problem in and of itself with the players.

I'm playing a human character but if I were playing an orc I'd find this opinion objectionable.

With respect, because I did not say the thing you just accused me of saying, I submit that this hypothetical objection is undeserved. Why create insult where there is none there, where there is none possible, with someone who explicitly says no insult is intended?

"Orcs ... are even worse off ... because they're defined as being violent-on-top-of-violent."

Why is this a disadvantage in role-playing?

It isn't: it's a problem with character creation, as I described above. Again, I think there was some miscommunication there.

Possible Digression

Is there such a thing as a moral approach in fantasy gaming? That sounds dangerously pompous to me.

And that suggestion, with respect, sounds dangerously arrogant to me, though I am certain it was not intended as such. People have been discussing morals in fantasy since there was fantasy. Tolkien had severe regrets about the racism implicit in LotR. Seriously. Considering his WWII experiences informed his work, that makes a whole lot of sense. The alignment system of D&D that everyone loves to (rightly) hate? That was an attempt to codify morality within a fantasy world (while establishing team jerseys; it was way better at the latter than the former). Morals in fantasy are as blasé an issue as food in fantasy or horses in fantasy or swords in fantasy. It's not particularly pretentious or interesting to discuss them in and of themselves, but singling them out as such is hardly kosher, to say the least. And when you have talking animals and semi-sentient beings running about, morals come up. It's kinda a dick-move to say "you can't talk about that" since it's just another game-world element. And people talk about Lawful Good and Chaotic Evil and all that crap a LOT more than they talk about orc sex, so if anything was pretentious, it would probably be the latter, but now I'm digressing in a digression. %-)

. . . don't insult our players by suggesting that their violent orcs are not well crafted and well-written based purely on your own experiences.

Within a few sentences, you've gone from suggesting the possibility of insult (sans evidence) to declaring such exists. Again, I intended and offered no insult to the players. I was concerned with the interpretation of the strictures on character creation. My posts have attempted as much courtesy as I can manage, and the sentence quoted above is not, in my eyes, consisted with that.

If you find that a group game isn't to your taste then just move on, there's no need to attack what others enjoy doing.

Again, I don't think I earned this level of prickliness. No attacks were offered. I was clear that I was happy that people were enjoying the game. If you take this as a personal insult, I have to say simply that you're just wrong (and I'm really confused as to how that happens), but I would be happy to address that with PMs. I only posted again because of how thoroughly some of the above quoted material got me wrong; I am hesitant to belabor the point further here. So, once again: PM me if there was any misreading and I hope all enjoy the game.

[Kristen]

Meee-...ow!

- Kristen -

[RedEve]

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Aejlahael, I would kindly ask you not to post in here any more if your contributions are not directly linked to the game (especially if you have no intention of joining it).
If you want to discuss any affront with me or Haibane, do it in PMs.

Thanks.

[JK]

I'd love to fill the role of another orky raider if you're still female heavy. I wont worry too much about backstory or standing out, so if theres a useful role you need filled let me know, otherwise Im happy to be another rank-and-file greenskin. Thanks!

[insaneplots]

despite the ever annoying person picking arguments about the game above. Personally hate the game killing people that has to point out flaws of a game rather then tactfully say to themselves 'not one I would like as it is portrayed' and move on. It actually was one of these that killed a ZOMPOC game I was interested in Cause it wasn't realistic enough for him.


Any more room for an Orc?

[Strangefate]

New characters of both types are still entering the game so I'm sure you'd be welcome.

[Max]

Think we could use some more Orcs.

[insaneplots]

ok i sent a question to redeve though after some back reading again i think i have an answer. I'm a guessing orcs no getty the magics despite being elves before rebirth, NP back up character concept a-go. Just losing a minor corruption by magic concept i was hoping for.

[Max]

I think they lose whatever magic they had when they are transformed, but don't quote me on that.  :)

[insaneplots]

Eh I have two other concepts rattling around in my brain. One is somewhat humourous (Big hulking Orc Battle Chef with an unusual taste for finer cooking and a massive skillet for bashing) the other just plain brutal like (Scrawny orc dervish).

Sending both for review.