Painful to Read

[Pumpkin Seeds]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

I figured with the content of the comic this would be the best thread to present the material.  Not entirely sure if a discussion can be mounted in defense of this comic, but I am certain many will not be happy.  Ignorance set to pen is painful to witness.

[RubySlippers]

Its a religious tract not a comic.

Everyone knows gaming leads to demon worship and selling ones soul. (yes I'm being cynical)

[HairyHeretic]

This version is better

http://www.humpin.org/mst3kdd/

I guess I've been playing the wrong games all these years though. 20+ years of RPGing, and I can't even manage a small fireball.

[Pumpkin Seeds]

I feel crappy cause I usually play fighters.  Do we get anything cool from the cult...nnnnoooooo.  All we get are chain mail bikinis and a plastic sword.  Such a crock.

[Oniya]

Dark Dungeons?  I'm guessing based on the domain and the following comments.

Love how they conveniently forget about the Paladin class.

[Valerian]

Yeah, what a rip-off.  I had a cleric reach 11th level once, and no one offered to teach me any real spells!  And that whole "neener, neener, you're dead," GMing style wouldn't fly with any gamer I know.  Tsk.

They probably dismiss Paladins as a sneaky way to try to lure in the religious before making them play thieves instead.  Or something.

[RubySlippers]

I loved the Palladium Fantasy Witch O.C.C. you can be a classic witch that sells their souls to a demon or devil lord for power, it was cool.

[Scribbles]

You learn REAL spells in D&D? I need to pick up this game.

[Host of Seraphim]

I love Chick tracts. XD

For your viewing pleasure... http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp

[RubySlippers]

I wanted to do some Christian Anarchist ones I could copy and hand out.

But I have zero artistic skills.  :-\

[Lypiphera]

Hehe I did have a bit of a giggle reading that, sometimes things are just too extreme to be real.

What i'm most upset about though is that no one offered me cult when I played mages. I must really suck as a mage! *Sniff*

[Jude]

While this comic is true, not everyone who learns to cast spells via DnD becomes a lifeless shell of a person.  I've been casting spells for many years after learning Magic Missile from 4 years of extensive Pen and Paper RPGing and I haven't killed myself yet.  Now I did actually maim a few people, I may have taken a few lives, but I'm more in touch with the great Satan than ever, so I can't say I care.

[Inkidu]

Pfft, if the Pope says Pokemon is okay then what harm is there in DnD?

[Noelle]

Pokemon inspired me to go out and start my own fighting arena for animals. I seem to be making a lot of money on it, though I do have this fish who can't seem to do anything but splash around...

[Will]

Pokemon inspired me to go out and start my own fighting arena for animals. I seem to be making a lot of money on it, though I do have this fish who can't seem to do anything but splash around...

O.O

You'd better get a bigger arena.  Just... trust me.

[Remiel]

I heard Michael Vick was kind to animals before he started getting into Pokemon.

I'm just sayin'.

[Chevalier des Poissons]

Hm, Dungeon of Bondage...

[OldSchoolGamer]

Oh, it just gets more fun from there:

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/vampire.asp

[Will]

Hahaha, that sounds like something you might read in the Games Wanted board. :P

[Remiel]

My life was lived in near darkness, and I worshipped beings I called the Great Old Ones. Lucifer was but one of them, though an important one. I believed that these Old Ones were gradually turning me into an immortal being who would live forever.

Wow, someone's been borrowing heavily from H.P. Lovecraft...

[Brandon]

After playing D&D for over 2 decades you think I could at least perform a simple light spell, but noooo. Even when my 2nd edition necromancer hit level 24 no one offered me a spot in a cult. Same goes for the anti-paladin, and the priest of Set (the egyption diety). So where the hell were all the hot, likely bisexual, witches when I was playing the game?

Anyway, Chick and pretty much everything on his site has and always will be falsifyed crap. Hes the worst kind of christian IMO. As bad as, if not worse then, the WBC

[Mudaline]

*Bleeds out of his ears*

My Reaction:

FFFFFUUUUU-!!!

[DudelRok]

Why does everyone insist on killing off the thief? You know, we aren't helpless and do know how to avoid getting into trouble. And there is a nobility to our art, too. Sure we steal but most of us do it as an art form and only take from those who wont really miss it.

But, in all honesty, I don't see how anyone could take that seriously. I mean, the notion of taking a fantasy real of any-type to such an extreme is utter nonsense. They'll start wailing on my Elder Scrolls, next. :(

[Valerian]

Well, as pointed out in Hairy's link above, that can't possibly be a real D&D session anyway.  There's no Mountain Dew, and there are more females than males.

[Sure]

"Unless you want to take his love gift."
"I want it! I want God's gift! I want to be in his will!"
"Then let's get it settled... on our knees."

. . .

[Oniya]

I'll grant you the no Dew (and no nachos, either!) but my gaming group was actually rather balanced.  (A married couple, her mother, 4-5 single men, 4-5 single women when we started.  Mr. Oniya and I met through that game.)

[Remiel]

Where were you guys when I was going through my tabletop phase, Oniya?  >:(

[Valerian]

I was once in an all-female session of Vampire: The Masquerade that a friend of mine put together.  So here we are, six women sitting in the back room of a game store, playing contentedly... except for the frequent interruptions of teenage and twenty-something guys creeping up to the doorway to stare at us.  (There was no door to close, sadly.)  After a while, the GM screamed at one of the larger groups that came visiting and they all left us alone -- she could be terrifying when she needed to be -- but it gave me a good idea of what the average zoo animal experiences.

Other than that, while I've fairly often been one of two females in a group, and once or twice one of three, it's far more usual for me to be the only one.  That may be partly a regional thing, though; I've frequently heard of higher proportions of female gamers in other parts of the world.

However, we're apparently all equally doomed to hell, anyway, regardless of gender, so....

[Lilias]

My Mage cabal could be pretty balanced as well: 4-5 men, 2-3 women, it all depended on how many of us could make it to the session. I met my ex there, at the very first session, in fact; and so did our storyteller.

[Oniya]

Where were you guys when I was going through my tabletop phase, Oniya?  >:(

If that was 15 years ago, it was a basement in Annandale, VA.

[OldSchoolGamer]

My gaming peak was early 1980s.  This was before most of the other RPGs had come out, and D&D was still king.  Back when being a nerd or geek still had a subversive aura around it.  There was no Internet (at least in anything even faintly resembling its current form).  BBSes were still a recent innovation, and modem speeds (baud rate, as it was called) was around 2400 bytes (no metric prefix in front of it).  If you had a modem.  If you even HAD a computer.  Video game graphics ranged from monochrome to (if you were really lucky) 64 colors at TV resolution. 

I think gaming was better back then because it was new.  Virgin territory.  We hadn't been spoon-fed images yet, so we had to imagine a lot.  There weren't oodles of rule supplements.  Every DM I knew had custom rules, their own critical hit tables and other tables.

I will say there was a little linkage between D&D and the occult amongst a smallish minority of gamers.  But it was a chicken-egg thing: you couldn't really tell if D&D introduced the player TO the occult or if the player was in the occult and used D&D to explore themes like magic and mythology.  Certainly the notion that Dungeons and Dragons was going to turn the youth of America into Satanists was grade-A bullshit.  But that didn't stop churches from engaging in (usually counterproductive) efforts to stamp out D&D playing.  I knew more than one player who left a church over its rabid opposition to D&D.  Others pretended to quit in order to pacify parents and/or pastors, but kept right on playing on the side, in secret.  To the extent that Dungeons and Dragons "interfered in a believer's relationship with God" (a common phrase back then), it was the actions of other believers that were primarily responsible.

As for the notion that D&D caused people to "go insane," my observation was largely the opposite: D&D gaming groups, by their inclusive tendencies, served as a refuge for kids who were maladjusted and otherwise friendless.  The few who "got too much into the game" generally had underlying mental health issues to begin with.  I know of a case where a suicide was in fact averted by a player's gaming partners.

[Oniya]

My mother once spoke to our parish priest about my D&D gaming.  He told her she was 'right to be concerned', and offered to have a chat with me.  I told her I would, on the condition that she spend an equal amount of time talking to one of my friends.

Never did have to talk to that priest...

[Braioch]

My mother once spoke to our parish priest about my D&D gaming.  He told her she was 'right to be concerned', and offered to have a chat with me.  I told her I would, on the condition that she spend an equal amount of time talking to one of my friends.

Never did have to talk to that priest...

What's funny is I had the same experience with my grandfather.....over being gay.....

"So Papa, I'll sleep with a woman to know whether or not I'm gay, if you go bang a guy to make sure you're straight, ne?

Ahh, I see, nevermind then."

That always seems to work for just about any problem ^_^

[Ironwolf85]

gaming is the first place where I found real friends, we mostly play D&D, and it is a lot of fun.
I kind of enjoyed playing the paladins and clerics, and occasionally exploring religious stuff, I think it's made me more affirmed in my own faith in god.
I have resolved not to include jesus directly in gaming because it places him in the same catagory as the made up deities in game. Still you can include the morality.
"you see a travler collapsed in the center of the road, nobody will help him, you see a merchant balk at getting near him and just walk around. what do you do?" of course they help him, he turns out to be someone helpful, and the people.
I'm no saint, but I remain a good man, and nothing will change that
it's just a game, a fun game, but a game, and you can teach some good lessons about yourself and the world through role playing

"such stories are not important because they tell us about Dragons, they are important because they tell us Dragons can be defeated" (some old guy I can't remember)

[HairyHeretic]

I think it might have been Sir PTerry (Terry Pratchett) and referencing monsters instead of dragons.

[Ironwolf85]

that could be it... the quote is still relivent though