Obama is the Antichrist?

[gaggedLouise]

Knowing Barack Obama in the Biblical sense.

"Between February 2009 and March 2010 our research group examined over 4000 pieces of documentation regarding the coming New World Order and the key people involved, both those in the public spotlight and others who remain behind the scenes.

The purpose of the research was to see identify substantial links to Barack Obama or any of the key people associated with him, and to understand his political ideology, views on faith and morals and religious associations.

We studied more than 5000 hours worth of footage on all his speeches, looking out for views, comments or words which may carry coded or cryptic messages missed by the general public but discerned by others.

A New Sickening Discovery!

In November 2009 after assessing over 3000 pieces of documentation our research team uncovered some damning and frightening evidence that completely changed our view of him Totally.

The information was so startling that at first we refused to believe it but additional analysis of confidential documents made our fears come true and it was an undeniable fact. There was a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach because I literally had to undo everything I had liked about this man in light of the chilling evidence."


I wonder if they analyzed his tv speeches and press briefings backwards to find hidden invocations of Satan in the classic Led Zeppelin fashion?

Moreover, Barack Obama is a descendant of the Merovingian French kings of the 6th to 8th century -  a particularly cruel bunch that spent time trying to assassinate each other and torturing their own advisors. The link is investigated by the people who chaired the investigation just quoted, and it also seems to include Harry Truman and Dick Cheney, possibly also the Bush family.

[Tamhansen]

Who is this group. And what did Obama say that would link him to a story told by a mushroom eating hermit 1900 years ago. This reminds me of the watchtower people. They got started because someone read a passage in the bible stating there would be a group of people witnessing to jehova's word in the end times. They start witnessing, and then tell people their coming was foretold in the bible.

Circular reasoning for the win

[Serephino]

People who obsess over this lead very sad, fearful lives.  Then they brainwash people who are weak minded. 

[Brandon]

Simply put I think most of the anti-christ researchers grasp at straws far to often. Ive seen claims made for every US president since Ive been alive (That would be Regan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and now Obama).

I even saw a long program on the history channel a few years back that explained why President Bush was the anti-christ. The reason being that it had something to do with the name Mavis or Mavus and the rearrangment of his name in latin. As I understand it the name Mavis/Mavus is supposed to be a herald of the anti-christ.

For the time being I am unconvinced that the majority of people who research the topic actually understand the complexity of what the anti-christ is and the signs that are supposed to indicate that its them. Granted that can be understandable when you consider the enormous volume of information one has to go through for the topic but when someone cries anti-christ I tend to have a knee jerk reaction as I think its more for attention then intellectual expression. This is no different

That said, Ive not gone over their research myself so for all I know they could be right about a few things, a lot of things, or even all of it. Then again they could be wrong about a few things, a lot of things, or everything. Theres just no way for me to tell at this time

[Beguile's Mistress]

This only proves that if someone doesn't like you for any reason they'll go to any lengths to paint you with a tainted brush.

No elected official is perfect and I've yet to see one that manages to please everyone.  If Barack Obama were truly the anti-Christ he'd have everyone fooled by now into thinking he was the Second Coming, even the Republicans.

[Brandon]

This only proves that if someone doesn't like you for any reason they'll go to any lengths to paint you with a tainted brush.

Actually it doesnt neccessarily prove that at all. The topic of the anti-christ like past prophets such as Nostradamus and long vanished cultures like Mesopetamian's is an intellectual subject that is discussed across multiple countries and by all kinds of historian's. One has to explain their point of view when comparing the heralds of the anti-christ and applying a name to it. As I said, the issue is often that groups who make huge announcments like this are grasping at straws and only doing it for attention.

I think its unfair to immediately dismiss it as an attack on Obama. Especially considering that just about every world leader over the last 30 years has had the same comparisons thrown at them

[Beguile's Mistress]

Ah...  Like Diogenes and his lamp I search the world looking for objectivity in people and have yet to find it.

The first part of my comment still stands and should not be quoted out of context.  The second part of my comment is an integral part of what I believe.

[Yorubi]

Why don't they just come to the conclusion: Since he has Muslim roots and he is black, he has to be an Anti-christ

Why don't we all come up with why such and such church is actually minions of satan? We can play those twisted logic games all day picking evidence and bending it anyway we want. Heck, we can use that logic to prove that our own mother's aren't actually our real mothers if we wanted to do so.

Either way, I vote this is either by people who support the above conclusion, or simply someone taking advantage of those people and trying to make a quick buck off them. :)

[Tambit]

Christ said that anyone who tries to guess the end of the world is a fool, for not even the Son knows the day or the time.

Guessing that Obama is the antichrist is just a long-winded way of guessing at the end of the world.

[Oniya]

The Discordians have what they call the Law of 5 - the short version being that the number 5 is everywhere.  There was a movie called 23 recently that worked on the same principle.

What it actually demonstrates is that, if you look for something hard enough, you can find it.  These 'antichrist researchers' have a somewhat bigger target to work with (curiously, 666 is not the only 'number of the Beast' - 616 is found in some translations), since they have the entire Book of Revelations, as well as Nostradamus to work with.  All they have to do is look hard enough, and they can make the most innocuous individual into the harbinger of DOOM.  I even saw something once that tied Pope Benedict XVI to the antichrist.

[Noelle]

Of course they found evidence. The best part is, they didn't even need go through all of his documented footage, they already had their minds made up before they started their 'research' -- they could've found justification for their beliefs literally almost anywhere. If I want to judge these people fairly, all I have to do is wonder if, at any point time, there was a chance they would've said, "You know what? Maybe we were wrong about this" or, "Hey, maybe our research is being lead by the conclusion rather than the other way around", and I think the answer is clear.

The law of 5 is a great example -- take a moment to look at the objects around you that correspond with the number 5. 5 letters in my name, 5 is in my zipcode, 5 is in my area code, 5 members in my family...

[OldSchoolGamer]

Haven't you heard the update to Andy Warhol?  The new deal is that everyone is going to get to be the Antichrist for 15 minutes.

And I'm READY for my turn.  I intend to pre-empt American Idol with video LIVE from my living room of NAKED DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS!  My buddies and I are going to act out that scene from the Chick Publications tract and have a LIVE sacrifice to Satan right there on the gaming table!  I've got some vintage Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden tracks to play BACKWARDS!  Man it's gonna be a BLAST!  666 ALL THE WAY!!!!1!!1

[MasterMischief]

Wait.  I thought socialism = anti-christ and we already proved that Obama is a pinko-commie scum...right?  I mean, he's not even Christian!

[Oniya]

*tilts head*

Why would the Anti-Christ be Christian?

[MasterMischief]

I was saying that the 'fact' that he is not Christian is further proof he is the anti-Christ.

[Oniya]

Ah, okay.  Brain slightly fried.  (Although communism != socialism.  ;) )

[MasterMischief]

(Although communism != socialism.  ;) )

Hey!  Don't try to confuse Obama haters with your facts!

[Yorubi]

OMG! Quick do it! Someone use biblical facts and details to make Jesus into the Anti-christ! You will blow minds! XD

[Vekseid]

That's easy.

Lucifer is the Morning Star.

Jesus declares himself to be the Morning Star in Revelations.

[Brandon]

OMG! Quick do it! Someone use biblical facts and details to make Jesus into the Anti-christ! You will blow minds! XD

That tears it. I know people are trying to be funny but things like this take it way to far.

I know I shouldnt be commenting on it because humor is completely subjective and based around detatchment. With me being attatched to the subject I have a hard time seeing absurdity in it. However once again, someone needs to stand up and say stop.

Its not funny and in fact I find it quite disrespectful to the christian faith as well as the actual intellectual research done on the subject as well as the honest researchers who pour over the massive amounts of information regarding the anti-christ

[Sabby]

Ah, that trains never late.

[Yorubi]

That tears it. I know people are trying to be funny but things like this take it way to far.

I know I shouldnt be commenting on it because humor is completely subjective and based around detatchment. With me being attatched to the subject I have a hard time seeing absurdity in it. However once again, someone needs to stand up and say stop.

Its not funny and in fact I find it quite disrespectful to the christian faith as well as the actual intellectual research done on the subject as well as the honest researchers who pour over the massive amounts of information regarding the anti-christ

All I got to say is if you take offense to it, you really shouldn't be in here. I just don't get why people feel its fair for them to fling rocks at someone and not expect rocks thrown back at them. You know how disrespectful it is to the man you insult when you call them an antichrist? What makes you think that Christianity deserves respect but can spit in the faces of others without any retaliation. Its not just Christianity though its all religions that do this in some light. Extremists only do this in light that is completely ridiculous. I really believe that religion is perfectly fine in this world, but it ticks me off when they try to vibe for superiority and exclude themselves from being targeted when they target others. We get it you believe in certain things, but you can't believe you are above all others. I would do this with any religion that tried to twist words and text to make things the way they wanted to. Its not like its a little known fact you can twist and distort text to fit anything you want which is exactly what the researchers did. It was a sarcastic remark but in a sad way, it was completely legitimate to what they had done. You can distort facts and text into anything you want, that is why extremists exist. I can toss numbers at you that can suddenly point to some big clue to point to something being 'evil' with ANY historical figure I so desired if I really wanted to do it. Sarcastic humor simply makes light of the situation that was brought up.

Do I think Jesus is the Anti-Christ? No. Do I even believe in an Anti-Christ? Nope. Do I apologizes for being sarcastic about that? I do not. If anything, I apologies on behalf of the Christian religion that you have people trying to distort text to fit their own bias views on an individual and make the religion look bad. Can you truthfully say that if you read a report that was as detailed as the one about Obama being an Antichrist regarding Jesus being the same way in exactly the same amount of details you would believe it? Keep in mind its the same details and information it gives with nothing changed except the person its pointing towards.

[Vekseid]

That tears it. I know people are trying to be funny but things like this take it way to far.

I know I shouldnt be commenting on it because humor is completely subjective and based around detatchment. With me being attatched to the subject I have a hard time seeing absurdity in it. However once again, someone needs to stand up and say stop.

Its not funny and in fact I find it quite disrespectful to the christian faith as well as the actual intellectual research done on the subject as well as the honest researchers who pour over the massive amounts of information regarding the anti-christ

Brandon, The Gnostic Jesus IS the Anti-christ.

That is the source of the term - people who would deny that Jesus was of the flesh. It was an attack by Trinitarian Christians on Gnostic Christians and Unitarian Christians.

If you want to make a serious discussion of it, then you have to face that yes, the notion of Jesus as the Serpent, or as the Antichrist, as much as it was made in jest, has references because there was - and still is - a branch of Christianity that has a very different depiction - and a far more respectable one, in my opinion - of Jesus than traditional Pauline Christianity as you accept it.

[Brandon]

All I got to say is if you take offense to it, you really shouldn't be in here. I just don't get why people feel its fair for them to fling rocks at someone and not expect rocks thrown back at them. You know how disrespectful it is to the man you insult when you call them an antichrist? What makes you think that Christianity deserves respect but can spit in the faces of others without any retaliation. Its not just Christianity though its all religions that do this in some light. Extremists only do this in light that is completely ridiculous. I really believe that religion is perfectly fine in this world, but it ticks me off when they try to vibe for superiority and exclude themselves from being targeted when they target others. We get it you believe in certain things, but you can't believe you are above all others. I would do this with any religion that tried to twist words and text to make things the way they wanted to. Its not like its a little known fact you can twist and distort text to fit anything you want which is exactly what the researchers did. It was a sarcastic remark but in a sad way, it was completely legitimate to what they had done. You can distort facts and text into anything you want, that is why extremists exist. I can toss numbers at you that can suddenly point to some big clue to point to something being 'evil' with ANY historical figure I so desired if I really wanted to do it. Sarcastic humor simply makes light of the situation that was brought up.

Do I think Jesus is the Anti-Christ? No. Do I even believe in an Anti-Christ? Nope. Do I apologizes for being sarcastic about that? I do not. If anything, I apologies on behalf of the Christian religion that you have people trying to distort text to fit their own bias views on an individual and make the religion look bad. Can you truthfully say that if you read a report that was as detailed as the one about Obama being an Antichrist regarding Jesus being the same way in exactly the same amount of details you would believe it? Keep in mind its the same details and information it gives with nothing changed except the person its pointing towards.

You are probably right. There have been so many times where I have told myself this is the last time Ill visit P&R but like an idiot I keep coming back here. Looking for some kind of fair intellectual discussion only to keep finding posts that anger me for varying reasons

Back to the topic, if the research shows willing manipulation by any one of the researchers it should be called bull. End of story. I don't think any of us will disagree with that and that's been my point of view from the start. However you say its disrespectful to call someone the next incarnation of the anti-christ. What if the research is actually right about its conclusion and has no provable manipulation in it? Were talking about something that is widely researched across the world by historians. Is it still disrespectful when the evidence proves the answer?

As intelligent as I like to consider myself I am not a scholar. The fact is, I'm a blue collar guy who lives his life through hard work. I don't have the time nor really the interest to pour through tens of thousands of pages to make sure each anti-christ claim is true or not. So I have to rely on my gut and my gut says that this specific group is full of it but only this specific group. My gut also says that in the future someone might make the claim and they might be right

This is not Christianity saying Obama is the anti-christ, we are not standing up in the streets all yelling and shouting about what a huge reveleation this is. The Pope is not calling for all catholics to recognize him as the anti-christ and remove him from power. Hell event he craziest of us, the WBC, hasn't said anything of the sort (that I'm aware of). This is not Christianity saying Obama is the anti-christ this is a small group of people who happen to be christian saying Obama is the anti-christ. Now what makes you think I deserve the same blame for this groups behavior when I have clearly stated that they're likely full of it? I can make blanket statements applying to everyone who falls in a social/cultural group but I would be just as wrong for doing it as you are right now.

Ill say it again, humor is subjective and has almost everything to do with detatchment. I feel there is room for poking fun at any subject but for everyone there is a line for when humor goes to far. I try my best not to comment on clearly thing regarding Christianity or catholocism at all because I know Im attatched to it, I dont see absurdity as easily or at all when compared to those who are detatched but for me you went to far. What was humor became blatant disrespect

Brandon, The Gnostic Jesus IS the Anti-christ.

That is the source of the term - people who would deny that Jesus was of the flesh. It was an attack by Trinitarian Christians on Gnostic Christians and Unitarian Christians.

If you want to make a serious discussion of it, then you have to face that yes, the notion of Jesus as the Serpent, or as the Antichrist, as much as it was made in jest, has references because there was - and still is - a branch of Christianity that has a very different depiction - and a far more respectable one, in my opinion - of Jesus than traditional Pauline Christianity as you accept it.

As I understand it Gnostic's were originally a group of christians that basicly believed that it didnt matter if the things in the bible were true or not, it was still good advice and should be followed.

In christian theology, and lets be serious that really what were talking about here. The anti-christ is depicted as a wholly different person. In the bible (I believe John 1 and 2), Nostordomus prophicies, and I believe also some Jewish and Islamic texts its the same. I do not know of any actual written document discussing Jesus being the anti-christ within actual christian Theology so I doubt the legitimacy of that claim

Edit: 2 notes. First off when I mention Islamic and Jewish texts regarding the anti-christ and jesus I really meant a messiah type person not neccessarily Jesus.

Second note is for Vekseid, I did try to fact check everything but found little info outside of wikipedia and as we often say Wikipedia is not a source. Thats why I have my skeptic hat on

[Vekseid]

As I understand it Gnostic's were originally a group of christians that basicly believed that it didnt matter if the things in the bible were true or not, it was still good advice and should be followed.

No. Far from it. The Gnostic-Unitarian-Trinitarian division predates the Vulgate. There were many conflicting Gospels, as everyone wanted their bit of influence over Christianity, and many decidedly non-Christian teachings made it into the Bible e.g. the breaking of the bread.

Gnosticism teaches that the material world is a false, imperfect thing, and created by a flawed entity known as the Demiurge. In many original Gnostic sects, the Demiurge was the God of the Hebrews - Yahweh. In others, especially later versions such as the Cathars, the Demiurge was Satan. The Demiurge is sometimes depicted as evil, other times, merely flawed. Where the Demiurge was Yahweh, the Hebrew scriptures are thought of as somewhat true - but from a different perspective - Elohim is afraid of humanity, and seeks to keep humans from achieving Gnosis (knowledge) and thus surpassing him. The Serpent - Jesus - comes to Earth to attempt to give humans this special knowledge, that they may escape from the Demiurge's prison.

Because of this belief - that the material world is a false, illusory thing - Gnostics did not believe that Jesus was human. Which is what this line

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

refers to.

Same with 1 John 4

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

These passages specifically attack the Gnostic belief that Jesus was not of the flesh.

Likewise, the passage from 1 John 2

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?

An attack on Judaism

He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

An attack on Unitarianism. From this, Muhammad was also an antichrist.

The entire concept of the antichrist was as an attack on people professing versions of Christianity that the authors did not like.

In christian theology, and lets be serious that really what were talking about here. The anti-christ is depicted as a wholly different person. In the bible (I believe John 1 and 2),

Christian theology has more to it than you think. And see above.

The concept of the anti-Christ is that it is a person who either puts up a 'wrong' depiction of Christ in his place - an illusion or lie. Pauline Christianity has no monopoly on the truth in this regard, they just murdered most of the others. "Kill them all, God will know his own" comes from the persecution of the Cathars.

Nostordomus prophicies,

Nostradamus has made no verifiable predictions. People only claim he predicted something after the fact. That does not qualify.

and I believe also some Jewish and Islamic texts its the same.

The Masih ad-Dajjal bears some resemblance to the Man of Sin and the False Prophet, yes, but I'm not aware of any such in Judaism.

I do not know of any actual written document discussing Jesus being the anti-christ within actual christian Theology so I doubt the legitimacy of that claim

Modern Christian eschatology is no more relevant than any other work of fiction. I find early Christian history fascinating, personally, but there's nothing supernatural to it - it was nothing more than political mudslinging of the time.