Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 banned in Russia

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Revolverman

#25
November 18, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
Quote from: MercyfulFate on November 18, 2009, 11:22:34 PM
Exactly, it's the Modern Warfare universe, not the real world. Hell, a nuke was detonated in the first one killing 30,000 American soldiers. So to try to apply the real world to the story is rather silly to be honest.

I don't think that gives the game Carta Blanch (SP I know) to have plot holes you can drive an Aircraft Carrier though.

MercyfulFate

#26
November 19, 2009, 12:34:44 AM
Quote from: KR Decade on November 18, 2009, 11:33:57 PM
I don't think that gives the game Carta Blanch (SP I know) to have plot holes you can drive an Aircraft Carrier though.

If you read what I said, I admitted the story isn't perfect. However a plot hole implies something is missing, and of what's been discussed, not much is missing.

Drake Valentine

#27
November 21, 2009, 12:00:54 AM
Eh… I followed bits and pieces of the argument so far, however.

The video in question is very disturbing and I am a bit unnerved by the factor of innocent civilians being gunned down in an airport. With all the talk of ‘plot’ and ‘story’ they could of interpreted it another way in game. I mean, they could of gave some form of media or news of shootings without showing it, instead of putting you there in the scene of the crisis. I can understand why many of the Russians are angry at this and I fully agree with their banning of the game, the video of the scenery was unnecessary to its fullest. Sure, there is lots of violence in gaming, I will agree. I mean, GTA(Grand Theft Auto) series isn’t any better with all of its random sprite civilian killing and what not. I don’t agree much to that line of games either, though how that video above played out was just to ‘real’ and horrific, even for a ‘game.’ Yea, everyone has a right to free speech, don’t get me wrong there, but you know, sometimes you have to ask yourself where do you draw the line in gaming or game developing? When too much is too much? To me, that video there was too much, but that is my verdict on it.

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Jude

#28
November 21, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
I was more or less alluding to the fact that in order to see the supposed plot hole you need to research it or have personal experience that shows it for what it is; to the average gamer what goes on in MW2 seems perfectly believable.  I haven't heard any of the gamers I know complain, I haven't seen a single review that berates lack of realism/coherency, and the only complaints I have seen are coming from people who freely admit they haven't touched the game.

MercyfulFate

#29
November 21, 2009, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: Jude on November 21, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
I was more or less alluding to the fact that in order to see the supposed plot hole you need to research it or have personal experience that shows it for what it is; to the average gamer what goes on in MW2 seems perfectly believable.  I haven't heard any of the gamers I know complain, I haven't seen a single review that berates lack of realism/coherency, and the only complaints I have seen are coming from people who freely admit they haven't touched the game.

To be fair, there is plenty of confusion in regards to the story. A lot of it is left open and I think it's partially because MW3 is the second half of the story.

I love when things bother people like this, and more than anything this has just given Activision and Infinity Ward more publicity, not that they needed it mind you.

Video games are essentially interactive art in a lot of ways, and I think they should be allowed to explore most any topic. If you disagree or don't like it, you don't have to buy it. It always baffles me when people want things banned that they disagree with, no one is forcing you into purchasing it.

Serephino

#30
November 21, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
Yeah, that's kind of the same thing when someone reads a fan fic then flames the author because they didn't like the pairing, or a fetish in it was disgusting and perverted.  Warnings are there for a reason.  If you don't like D/s, find something else to read. 

I don't like games like that, therefore, I don't buy and play them.  My boyfriend wanted me to play Left 4 Dead with him.  Not my thing so I didn't.  I don't like Animae, so I don't watch it.  It's a simple but effective concept. 

Kotah

#31
November 21, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
I just think the fact that the game actively has you gunning down civilians that are trying to carry other people into safety as a bit... gruesome. If you watch the video, there is also a handful of children getting killed. Is that really necessary?

As far as I'm concerned, they could have accomplish the same story line tactics by putting this entire level as a cut scene.

And for a point that someone made before. If Russia put out a game where a Us airport was getting shot to hell with civilians being slaughtered? Our reaction would have been 10 times worse. Cause lets face it. Our reaction always is worse. They banned a game. Big deal.

America once started a war because a couple of Americans went into Mexico and got arrested.

Oh, but the story line! The story line clearly sucks. I don't play these war games, becasue they... suck. Hey! I know the red scare is a big deal, but c'mon did we really need another game banking on it? Let alone, a game where a bunch of people are slaughtered? As PART OF THE STORY. Several games you can slaughter all you want, as your choice. I am a bit put off by the fact that this game demands civilian slaughter of any kind.
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Brandon

#32
November 21, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: Kotah on November 21, 2009, 10:01:26 PMOh, but the story line! The story line clearly sucks. I don't play these war games, because they... suck. Hey! I know the red scare is a big deal, but c'mon did we really need another game banking on it? Let alone, a game where a bunch of people are slaughtered? As PART OF THE STORY. Several games you can slaughter all you want, as your choice. I am a bit put off by the fact that this game demands civilian slaughter of any kind.

To be fair, you can skip the level and you can progress through the level in question without killing a single civilian yourself without being penalized.

As far as the arguments on story, why am I reminded of Michael Bay's response to making a bad transformers movie? "You cant expect it to be good because it was always just a toy commercial." Questionable source material is not a license for bad film making. Likewise ignoring things that would happen in reality because its "inconvenient" to your story isn't a license to ignore reality for the sake of a story either. Especially for a game that calls itself and is advertised as realistic. This is supposed to be a realistic game but beyond the gunplay its not, thus it falls way way way short of what its trying to be and is IMO bad. It might be enjoyable if you took a look at it similar to a James Bond movie but not when you take a good look at it and compare it to the reality its supposed to represent. Yet somehow Im supposed to overlook all this because "its just a video game". I dont think so
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Kotah

#33
November 22, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
Right, so show me the level where the soldiers start raping the village women.

Which does happen.

In fact, a few years ago in Latin America, there was a political coup in Haiti.  60% of women  between the ages of 9 and 84 were raped by soldiers and police force taking part.

I know this because when I was in collage I went as a part of Amnesty international in a delegation to determine human rights violations. We did other things like monitor the Venezuelan elections as well. http://www.haitisolidarity.net/article.php?id=122] An article written by another member of the delegation. [/url]

Just becasue it happens, does not mean it needs to be in a video game.
Finally in a rage we scream at the top of our lungs into this lonely night, begging and pleading they stop sucking up dry.There as guilty as sin, still as they always do when faced with an angry mob: they wipe the blood from their mouths and calm us down with their words of milk and honey. So the play begins, we the once angry mob are now pacified and sit quietly entertained. But the curtain exists far from now becasue their lies have been spoken. My dear, have you forgotten what comes next? This is the part where we change the world.

MercyfulFate

#34
November 22, 2009, 02:20:03 AM
Well for one, not sure where you're seeing children in that video. There are none.

Second, it doesn't NEED to be in a game, but no one should have the right to say it can't be. If you don't like it, or it offends you don't buy it or skip the offensive part. I can't stand when people try to dictate to others what is, and isn't morally acceptable.

Hell if some people had their way Harry Potter would be banned for introducing children to "evil witchcraft".

Jude

#35
November 22, 2009, 03:22:43 AM
Tasteless, purposeless, right or wrong, it doesn't matter really.  It's a simple free speech issue.  If you don't believe in censorship, then you should be in favor of them being able to do this with their own intellectual property.  And if you do believe in censorship... well, considering this is a website with rape fiction, snuff, and all sorts of other illegal/immoral fiction, I have to wonder how consistent such a position is.  Especially when these forums are arguably more interactive than a video game is; you are dealing with real people even if what happens isn't.

Kotah

#36
November 22, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
If you notice i haven't called for the game to be recalled. I've just been arguing that it's terribly bad taste.


I also think that Russia having banned the game isn't that big of deal. Like I said before, if it was an American airport, and you played a Russian char and went in and started gunning down civilians... our response would have been far worse. Along the red scare line.

At the beginning of the video there is a mother (i assume) holding the hand of a little boy (I assume sex) in line. Later in the video a little girl in a green dress get's shot.

America has been known to ban things from other countries. It only seems to get people offended when it happens to be an American corporation that's getting banned.
Finally in a rage we scream at the top of our lungs into this lonely night, begging and pleading they stop sucking up dry.There as guilty as sin, still as they always do when faced with an angry mob: they wipe the blood from their mouths and calm us down with their words of milk and honey. So the play begins, we the once angry mob are now pacified and sit quietly entertained. But the curtain exists far from now becasue their lies have been spoken. My dear, have you forgotten what comes next? This is the part where we change the world.

MercyfulFate

#37
November 22, 2009, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Kotah on November 22, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
If you notice i haven't called for the game to be recalled. I've just been arguing that it's terribly bad taste.


I also think that Russia having banned the game isn't that big of deal. Like I said before, if it was an American airport, and you played a Russian char and went in and started gunning down civilians... our response would have been far worse. Along the red scare line.

At the beginning of the video there is a mother (i assume) holding the hand of a little boy (I assume sex) in line. Later in the video a little girl in a green dress get's shot.

America has been known to ban things from other countries. It only seems to get people offended when it happens to be an American corporation that's getting banned.

I still don't see any children, I don't know where you're seeing this. The banning of any game is an issue, not just this. If it was an American airport my, and most people's opinions wouldn't change. Heck there's whole levels through decimated American homes.

Left 4 Dead 2 is being banned in Australia, which is silly. Manhunt 2 was banned in the UK if I remember correctly as well. Even American pundits freaked out over Mass Effect's "sex scene" and I use that loosely because it was so minor it wasn't even worth talking about.

Kotah

#38
November 22, 2009, 01:20:49 PM
Yeah, people freak out.

America practices censorship as well. An easy example would be the censorship of Japanese media sold in the us.
Finally in a rage we scream at the top of our lungs into this lonely night, begging and pleading they stop sucking up dry.There as guilty as sin, still as they always do when faced with an angry mob: they wipe the blood from their mouths and calm us down with their words of milk and honey. So the play begins, we the once angry mob are now pacified and sit quietly entertained. But the curtain exists far from now becasue their lies have been spoken. My dear, have you forgotten what comes next? This is the part where we change the world.

MercyfulFate

#39
November 22, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
Dante's Inferno is getting flak and it's not even out yet, because you have to fight evil babies in Hell.

Kotah

#40
November 22, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
Evil babies?

hehe
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Oniya

#41
November 22, 2009, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: MercyfulFate on November 22, 2009, 01:30:58 PM
Dante's Inferno is getting flak and it's not even out yet, because you have to fight evil babies in Hell.

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#42
November 23, 2009, 11:46:31 PM
QuoteOne in particular noted that more aggressive people are attracted to violent video games rather then video games being the cause of aggressive tendencies."

I agree - it is an outlet.

In the same way porn is an outlet for going out and trying to do it yourself.

As far as demonic actions such as rape - as long as it is the "enemy" that is doing it
and it casuses a feeling to grow in the player that it is "wrong" - then it is good i think that POST rape scenes where you see the victum in tears - in a way you sympathise and wish to prevent such things or help her and stand up for her rights is ok - such things are inevitable.

Games like movies have ratings - but if it has these things i think it shoudl have an "R" rating or whatever.
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#43
November 24, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, I find the story of Modern Warfare, particularly the latest installation, amazing, and not simply as a game of its kind. It ends up becoming a very personal, and by the end, blurs the lines of morality - I don't want to elaborate too much, in case anyone wants to know for themselves.

I'm a bit torn about the "No Russian" level. Censorship is something I would never advocate, and even though I felt awful playing through it, it doesn't offend me - few things do. However, I can understand why it would offend others. What I don't understand is the, I almost want to label it hypocrisy, in protesting against these scenes, but at the same time being so far removed from actual events of this kind that you really have no concept of it at all. It seems to me like what these people are against is being exposed to it, not the acts themselves.

Jude

#44
November 24, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
I thought the story was poorly fleshed out and hard to follow in many instances.

Character motivations were especially difficult to understand when it came to some of the larger events of the game.

But I do generally agree that it was an OK story.  8/10 if I had to score.

MercyfulFate

#45
November 24, 2009, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: Hemingway on November 24, 2009, 07:39:36 AM
Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, I find the story of Modern Warfare, particularly the latest installation, amazing, and not simply as a game of its kind. It ends up becoming a very personal, and by the end, blurs the lines of morality - I don't want to elaborate too much, in case anyone wants to know for themselves.

I'm a bit torn about the "No Russian" level. Censorship is something I would never advocate, and even though I felt awful playing through it, it doesn't offend me - few things do. However, I can understand why it would offend others. What I don't understand is the, I almost want to label it hypocrisy, in protesting against these scenes, but at the same time being so far removed from actual events of this kind that you really have no concept of it at all. It seems to me like what these people are against is being exposed to it, not the acts themselves.

I'd say if it made you feel awful, or feel offended it probably did it's job quite well. Half Life 2 for example was a masterpiece in part because it made you care about the characters you interacted with like Eli and Alyx.
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